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Comment #5949419 by Rachel

Rachel Mar 6th 2017, 3:38 PM #

I would love to hear if someone on the anti-abortion side has walked down Marlborough Street or Talbot Street in Dublin (can’t speak for other parts of the country but I’m sure they have their equivalents) and seen the amount of strung out junkie mammies pushing their babies in prams that buckling under the weight of the rake of cans in the back basket and paying no attention to the screaming child in the pram.

I was walking down Talbot Street as recently as Saturday and saw a junkie with her baby in the pram openly buying drugs and baby was screaming in the pram and she was paying absolutely zero attention to him. Sorry, but if abortion was available, it would at the very least mean that these poor babies don’t have to grow up in a home saturated with negative influences and parents who would buy drugs rather than food with their last 20 euro. We all saw that programme about babies being born addicted to methadone because their mothers got pregnant while on heroin/methadone and couldn’t give it up while pregnant. Surely if the grounds of the anti-abortion crowd are to prevent suffering of the little babies, are they endorsing unsuitable parents having children because they don’t have another option?

Abortion isn’t just some young wan who got knocked up after Coppers being too self-obsessed to have a baby. That’s barely 0.01% of the reasons abortion is applicable. Financial reasons, medical reasons, mental health reasons – accidents happen and women should not be made put their bodies through 9 months of what is an endurance test for the body if they don’t want a baby at the end of it. It’s barbaric to make young girls who are barely women themselves carry babies. It’s barbaric to make a mother carry a baby who won’t live past delivery. It’s barbaric to make a woman who gets pregnant due to contraception failure have a baby on her own if the man doesn’t want to be involved.

The Catholic Church’s continuing brainwashing of the Irish population sickens me to my core, and for those saying “I’m athiest but still pro-life” – you’re subscribing to a religious outlook on the preservation of life of the unborn. Plain and simple.

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A new bill aimed at decriminalising abortion in Ireland will be debated by the Dáil tomorrow.

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    Favourite fitzrik
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:17 PM

    Abortion is not contraception. If you want to prevent poor women having babies argue for more contraception/sex education etc. Abortion is a greater injustice.

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    Favourite Jennifer Mullins
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:36 PM

    @fitzrik:
    there is a high standard of contraceptives available to women nowadays but say in the case of the heroin addict, do u really think shes taking her pill everyday at the same time or if she is prostituting for money the man is wearing a condom?
    and the ignorance to accept that contraception 100% works because it doesn’t. You also decied to omit an argument for pregnancies within financial constraints, foetal abnormalities which lead to death after birth, mental and physical health of the woman… many many other reasons why someone should not be forced to continue a pregnancy!

    nobody intends to use abortion as a contraceptive and highlights the mindset that women are so careless they would have unprotected sex because they have an abortion

    abortion in countries were it is legal has a lower rate for countries that have restrictions on abortions. (highlighted many times during the citizens assembly meetings)

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    Favourite Tom Burke
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:57 PM

    A junkie?

    Don’t you mean somebody with a drug problem?

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    Favourite Tom Burke
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:02 PM

    Jennifer
    Most abortions are regular people, not addicts or rape victims. The extreme cases are used as a front to have abortion on demand.

    In the uk I believe you need the signiture of 1 or 2 doctors to say the abortion is required for the physical or mental health of the mother.

    That’s never refused. It’s ticking a box.
    200,00 a year in England and Wales

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    Favourite Bejasus Bejorrah
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:04 PM

    It’s a strange thing to see all the abortionistas trying to insist that anyone who is against snuffing out human life is some kind of religious nutcase and then proceed to reign down vicious personal abuse at them…it explains their lack of morality and common decency. .they’re even trying to use the tuam atrocity as grounds for abortion. .that’s quite evil…

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:10 PM

    @Bejasus Bejorrah: Tuam involv4d the deaths if real babies. Abortion is the termination of foetuses. The connection is the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Church and its various hench people.

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    Favourite Francis Mc Carthy
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:26 PM

    Tom Burke : “The extreme cases are used as a front to have abortion on demand.”

    The antis use the late term abortions,the ones that were all wanted pregnancies.Funny that eh.

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    Favourite Jennifer Mullins
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:29 PM

    @Tom Burke:
    I am for abortion on demand as you pro birthers like to call it. I believe the choice is for the woman to make whether she has had a one night stand or is a rape victim to an addict.
    Yes it’s never refused because it’s legal to have an abortion in the UK? I don’t see your point, why would someone lie about a mental/physical illness to have an abortion when they can have one anyway?
    The figures you use don’t shock or insult me, they are just women who have made the right choice for themselves to me?
    Those 200,00 potential humans have no significance to my life so why should it to yours? baffling.

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 6th 2017, 6:29 PM

    @Jennifer Mullins: They are not “potential” humans Jennifer. There is no such thing as potential human. you are either a member of the human species or not.

    As for “abortion on demand” I have always found that a bizarre expression. Women are in no position to demand anything. And if they do the rest of us have the right to say NO.

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 6th 2017, 6:36 PM

    @Jennifer Mullins: And btw Abortion is illegal under UK law. It is Under the criminal law The offenses against the persons Act. The 1967 Abortion Act merely provides for exceptions and immunity from prosecutions in certain circumstances.

    And mother are indeed refused. Which is why some travel to the US, and Marie Stopes has referred mothers to Spain.

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 6:57 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: you are absolutist and dogmatic as usual. Youth Defence knows how to crush heads.

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 6th 2017, 7:06 PM

    @Tony Daly: What has YD got to do with anything? You are as incapable of engaging and debating issues as usual.

    The issue here are
    There is no such thing as potential human. You are either a member of the human species or you are not. And the offspring of two human parents cannot be another species other than human (even before birth)

    Mothers are not entitled to “demand” anything of anyone. And those of who they demand are entitled to say NO.

    Abortion in the UK is under the Criminal Law, the Offences Against the Person Act (with Attached Life imprisonment land the 1967 Act serves only to provide protections against prosecution in some circumstances.

    and Mothers are indeed refused meaning mothers traveling to other jurisdictions to procure abortions.

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    Favourite Jennifer Mullins
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    Mar 6th 2017, 7:31 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain:
    It is not illegal under UK law? what are you on about?
    it is legal up to 24 weeks and is one of the most liberal abortion laws in europe. nobody is refused an abortion, where are your sources for this mad claim?

    go away with your false facts and your view on human life is clearly not the same as mine and this is why abortion is not black and white and why are you sticking your nose into other peoples business? you probably walk past many women who have undergone an abortion and you would never know!
    your religion interferes with science so please refrain from commenting to me after this. thank bye.

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    Favourite Jennifer Mullins
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    Mar 6th 2017, 7:32 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain:
    are you even of child bearing age? this doesn’t really concern you, nobody is making YOU have an abortion nor is it making anyone else.
    you keep your body matters to yourself and don’t worry about anyone else choices.

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 7:51 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: it is your membership of Youth Defence which means that discussion with you would be pointless.

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    Favourite Francis Mc Carthy
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    Mar 6th 2017, 8:25 PM

    @Jennifer Mullins: Do not get into a discussion with Maria.She will twist your words & will never admit when she is wrong.You have been warned..

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    Favourite Tom Burke
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    Mar 6th 2017, 9:04 PM

    Should we care about 10 million Syrians because they are not a part of our lives?

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    Favourite Jennifer Mullins
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    Mar 6th 2017, 10:41 PM

    @Tom Burke:
    No Tom, I don’t think we as humans should abandon those who are most vulnerable which includes the women of Ireland and other countries were body autonomy is restricted. No I do not believe a fetus has the same equal status as a woman who needs to carry it for it to continue to grow and develop.

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    Favourite Pat Patovic
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    Mar 7th 2017, 1:33 AM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: What exactly gives you the right to forbid another woman to have abortion?

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    Favourite Sue Cash
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    Mar 7th 2017, 3:05 AM

    @Jennifer Mullins:

    “this doesn’t really concern you, nobody is making YOU have an abortion”

    Can you offer that same comforting reassurance to the unborn victim of EVERY abortion??

    “…. abortion is not black and white” ??

    For the victim it is. It always ends in DEATH!!

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 7:29 AM

    @Jennifer Mullins: As in Jennifer the law Underpinning Abortion Law, in the UK is The Criminal Law The offenses against the Person Act. The 1967 Abortion Act merely gives protections from prosecution in certain laid out circumstances.

    AS for my sources they are The Royal College of Midwives, and Marie Stopes.

    My view on life is Biological one. You were a human before birth.You were a Human zygote, human embryo, human foetus etc. Always human never “potentially” human.

    It is perhaps Your false assumption that this based on “religion” that you believe you changed species at birth.

    Oh and BTW it is my business. I have a vote.

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 7:31 AM

    @Jennifer Mullins: I am of child bearing age, although that is irrelevant, I am a mother of 7, so far.

    But most importantly I am over the age of 18, i have a vote and my vote matters to me.

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 7:32 AM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: You areaways wrong Francis and you never admit it!

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 7:34 AM

    @Tony Daly: Well first off I am not a member of Youth Defence.

    So Now that we have cleared that up/ What valuable insightful counter points do you have to the issues I raised?

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 7:35 AM

    @Pat Patovic: My vote.

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    Favourite Francis Mc Carthy
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    Mar 7th 2017, 9:45 AM

    @ Jennifer Mullins : Maria Mhic Mheanmain says : “You areaways wrong Francis and you never admit it!”

    Point proven.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 7th 2017, 10:14 AM

    @Sue Cash: There is no victim as a fetus has zero awareness.

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    Favourite Clon Lad
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    Mar 7th 2017, 10:56 AM

    “For the victim it is. It always ends in DEATH!!”

    Annnnnnnnnnnnd off she goes….

    Niamh : Do not become a victim of her drivel.

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    Favourite Chris Martin
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    Mar 7th 2017, 1:41 PM

    @Niamh Kenneally so by your logic once you are unaware of whats happening to you then you are not a victim? Try telling that to women who have been forcefully drugged into oblivion and then raped.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 7th 2017, 3:20 PM

    @Chris Martin: I’m pretty sure the soreness of her vagina and the presence of semen would be a strong indicator, Chris.
    Is that the same thing? No, no it’s actually nothing like the situation where a fetus is terminated.
    Any other bad analogies?

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    Favourite Chris Martin
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    Mar 7th 2017, 3:27 PM

    Ok well lets say someone was forcefully drugged into oblivion and murdered..that fit better?

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 6:03 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: Indeed it is Francis.

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 6:05 PM

    @Niamh Kenneally: So in your view, someone must be aware of being Victimised to be a victim?

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    Favourite Oh Dear!
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    Mar 7th 2017, 6:53 PM

    ” So in your view, “someone” must be aware of being Victimised to be a victim?” Poor pet has been smoking way too much of Marion’s wacky backy :) An embryo or a foetus is not SOMEONE :) Poor pet :) Puff puff :)

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 7th 2017, 7:50 PM

    @Oh Dear!: Oh Dear is not “someone” either.

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    Favourite Pat Patovic
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    Mar 7th 2017, 9:45 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: Your vote is irrelevant for woman who face her own decision.

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    Favourite Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Mar 8th 2017, 7:50 AM

    @Pat Patovic: My vote is very relevant for the law on abortion in this county. If my vote amounts to “forbidding another woman from having an abortion” so be it. They will accept it. And so will you

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