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Comment #1171188 by ieoinu

ieoinu May 3 2:20 PM #

*lost

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Prison officers: ‘We can’t deal with 16-year-olds – we’re not child carers’

Prison officers: ‘We can’t deal with 16-year-olds – we’re not child carers’

The Prison Officers Association says members need special training to deal with underage inmates – and they don’t get it.

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  • ieoinu May 3 12:11 PM #

    But they can ‘deal’ with Shatter and his co. Don’t expect much support from anyone!!

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    • voiceofsense May 3 1:36 PM #

      Prison officers took on average 24 Days sick leave each in 2004.

      They cut a side deal with the government, despite this, on Croke Park II to protect their pay, to the detriment of nurses, ambulance drivers etc.

      The sick leave is a disgrace and that, along with their spineless back deal should never be rewarded by a government looking for efficiency and more from the public service.

      I have zero sympathy for them.

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    • Mick Jordan May 3 1:40 PM #

      Again guys when has it ever been different. Every Garda knows that even if the Prison Officers had rejected the deal and there was industrial action by Prison Officers that Gardai would be manning the Prisons. Even the Garda representatives javelin admitted that much. So where would threat 24/7 alliance stand on that? Would the say awaa it’s not their fault they were ordered in or would they throw them ought of the alliance for crossing the picket line?

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    • Mick Jordan May 3 1:43 PM #

      Sry predictive text on the phone*

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    • Skip Goose May 3 2:11 PM #

      They should privatise the prison service. Start with a new facility for young offenders and then the main prisons. Seems to work in the UK.

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    • ieoinu May 3 2:19 PM #

      @mick. Yes the Gardai and possibly the army would’ve been called on to man the prisons, as much as nurses still tend to patients when there is a nursing strike. The strike itself and lack of normal working routine creates a situation that is ultimately untenable thus it can achieve its goal. Locking up a load of people and walking away from them with no one to feed water them would lead to huge civil actions depleting the state coffers even more and the only ones to benefit would be the prisoners.
      No Garda or soldier wants to work in the prisons but would probably get sent there. The prison officers made a deal to suit themselves in a devious and dishonest way and for that have list my support. Enjoy the 30 pieces of silver, they won’t buy much.

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    • ieoinu May 3 2:20 PM #

      *lost

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    • Sean Beag May 3 5:18 PM #

      Mick it seems you don’t understand the point of an alliance or of industrial action. Even if the government could muster up enough Gardai and soldiers to man the prisons it would be an absolute mess, and a costly one too. That is the point of industrial action, to cause disruption.

      It seems the members of the poa thought they could just threaten to close the prisons and people would take them seriously and capitulate. Everyone knows they wouldn’t do it. They thought they could play a bit of easy blackmail and when they saw the road ahead might be difficult they went crawling for their deal.

      But you are right in that the POA has a responsibility to get the best outcome for its members. But if they were intent on doing this to the detriment of other frontline workers then why join the 24/7 alliance. Purely as a safety net that’s why. They have shown they have no commitment to the alliance and thus have no business in it.

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    • Steve McNally May 3 7:56 PM #

      @voiceofsense, what’s an ambulance driver?

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    • Mick Jordan May 3 8:58 PM #

      Sean. Sorry about the delay in replying.
      You all that are so bitter look at the situation through the eyes of the Prison Officers. As I have previously said they have taken several kickings from McDowell to CP1 and they didn’t go pissing and moaning about it they just got on with it. So when the Government came along and said to them “As you have taken everything we have thrown at you and didn’t complain we are not going to do you over again you have had enough”. So the Officers went off and had a think. And they said to themselves. We take this deal and No pain put up with a lot of bitterness but no pain. Or we reject the deal and not only do we take pain from the Government but our Allies in the Alliance are going to drive it into us for good measure. So the Officers voted for the lesser of two evils.
      Now lets say the GRA and the AGSI were offered the exact same deal they were offered. Ask yourselves honestly would you have turned it down? And be honest in your answers even if only to yourself.

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