The architect only does an outline design. The Structural design would be done by an engineers and she/he would have specified the correct type of aggregate/concrete/etc. to use in all aspects of the build. If a quarry sold produce as being of quality “X” but in truth it was of quality “Y”, then the onus should be on nobody but the quarry. Not even the developers have a case to answer if it is true that the quarry sold defective produce it claimed was fit for use in construction. The state has no case to answer for as far as I can see.

@ Eoin, is it not a case that the homeowner has a contract with the builder who themselves has a contract with the quarry, so you must follow the line

Homebond, what? They were the first to leave the country. Probably became bondholders themselves with all of the misappropriated millions they took off everyone during the boom time. They were the best in position to know it was going to go bust, why wouldn’t they want to become bond holders?

Actually eoin you are a little off the mark there, my friend is, as we write, living in rented accommodation whilst her house is being repaired due to pyrite… Now here’s one for ya.. Only a percentage of the housing estate has pyrite problems and that’s the later builds…. The developer changed quarry at some stage through the build because it was cheaper…. Doesn’t take a civil engineer to know , cheaper quarry= poorer quality…. Now not all developers new this was muck but a number did…. It’s an oirish thang….

Dessie Ellis must realise the folly of what he proposes. This would be a charter for worsening building standards and an opt out clause for insurance companies. The guy is bonkers and hasn’t used three brain cells to consider the consequences.
This is also a continuation of the madness of what I call Magic Economics……..when all else fails then we the taxpayer pays. Well however sorry I feel for the people who bought property with pyrite in their buildings I am not prepared to pay.
I have paid for the sexual abuse of children by priests and I have paid for the hearing loss of soldiers and then I had to pay for the hepatitis C and AIDS scandals. Then the mother lode of a failed Banking system and the digging out of gormless Developers started to hit me and now I have to find more to pay for those unfortunates who cannot pay their mortgages.
Dessie.!
Are ya listening?
I’ve had enough!
Take a running jump at yourself and stop treating my income as if it was yours to do with as you wish.
I am neither the Northern Bank nor wish to be on the average Industrial wage!
The next thing you’ll be asking for is compensation for the victims of the IRA’ s murderous campaign over the past thirty years.

Read the original press statement. “State must cover pyrite cost until responsible parties are brought to account”

@Oisín sorry dude INSURANCE COMPANIES are supposed to cover it then go after those liable not the tax payer ,Or could this be people taking brown envelopes again .lets have another 200 million euro inquiry

Hogan did this so-called Report saying that there were approximately 10,000 homes with some type of damage from pyrite. Bull sh1t!!!! I know for a fact there are over 70,000 + that have huge damage. I believe there were 3 quarries involved. Some will cost anything up to EUR60/70,000 to fix. Between accommodating the families in rental properties while the work is been done, labour etc. etc.

The residents in Priory Hall, Fingal and Meath deserve an answer and most importantly given back their home or equivalent. They are all paying morgs. for places that should be knocked and rebuilt especially Priory Hall families.

SF might there TD Aongais to print a few notes .. He loves printing ,

Where exactly does it say in the article ‘the state must pay?’ It says the state must implement the Levy on the construction industry thereby forcing those responsible to pay. As a homeowner affected I pay my taxes, where do I come in all this? This needs to be sorted out asap. The govt need to force the stakeholders to agree to a process of remediation and get started fixing houses affected before there is serious injury. This problem along with poor building regs (which were routinely ignored over past 15 years) are a ticking time bomb. my house along with many others are falling apart. Believe me I as a tax payer do not want to see those responsible get off the hook either, but we need a solution fast, we have been struggling wit this for seven years now and it is demoralising watching our home fall apart.

govt funding deputy Ellis refers to is in relation to council owned properties (not privately owned taxpayers homes), the other funding he mentions is front funding from the govt which will then be recouped through a Levy. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=x8Vh8NSfgsw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dx8Vh8NSfgsw%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata_player&gl=GB

Hang on get it from you’re insurance company or sue whoever did your pre purchase survey and if you didn’t get one tuff . Just got large bill for structural work done and I don’t expect you to pay and that’s a great idea the building trade is on it’s ars so lets hammer it some more.

The construction industry creamed it during the boom, maybe they should have seen this coming….everything looks brilliant in hindsight! My house is falling down through no fault or failing of mine. We bought in good faith. We expected that standards were adhered to. We had a survey. Reactive Pyrite doesn’t start to make it’s appearance for at least two years after house is finished. The insurers have an opt out clause on defective material. Our quarry is gone. Our developer is gone. Homebond (who we had no choice in accrpting as our strictural garantee) walked away. The cost of repairing our house is max €50 grand. Don’t know about you but I don’t have that money, and quite simply why should I fork out when I already paid fr my house. With regard to ur situation if you had a structural problem why didn’t ur insurance pay out? Perhaps you had none, or it was outside it cover, or you built ur own house. But it seems you accepted responsibility, we have no responsibility for this mess. The stakeholders need to come up wit a solution immediately.

@Jeff as far as i am aware no one that does a pre purchase survey takes a core sample of the concrete that is used in the house construction so you cannot sue them as they do a survey based on the condition of the property at the time of survey not 5 or 10 years down the line.insurance companies like homebond are washing their hands of this. think you will find that the builders are at fault as they were supposed to test all cement that was used on site so they were at fault. the reason there should be a levy is that most of the developers that built these developments are gone bust so people have no recourse so i don’t think you should be so flippant in your comment.

Jeff, the developers and regulating bodies are to blame. Insurance companies generally put in clauses against negligence by builders, why do you think they are not liable for Priory Hall. As for the building industry, many of them completely milked it for years building substandard properties with no surrounding infrastructure, I have little sympathy for them. My sympathy lies with those paying mortgages on negative equity properties with major faults. Surveyors do not check the quality of the building products used to the extent you seem to think.

Cal
A direct question deserves a direct answer but please allow me to offer some reasoning. Those breast implants were carried out principally for cosmetic reasons and were therefor not covered by either Health Insurers or by the State. Many regulators have said that the materials used were not licensed and thus illegal but they do not consider they create any current risk to health.
On this basis I would say that the cost of removing these silicone enhancements should be borne by the individuals concerned. If the original implants were reimbursed because they were required for medical reason such as prosthetic replacement then the State should cover the cost of removing them.
Now Cal do I fall neatly into your little mind game with my response?

John,
My 99 DL Focus is a bit wrecked. Should I just phone my local SF TD to get it replaced? ;-)

NO actually. This article does not reflect properly what was said in the original statement. His point was the state should pay and recoup money off responsible parties when levy system ios set up due to immediate need for reparation work.

Thanks for clarifying that Oisin ;-)

@paddy no surprise your on again to attack s/f for trying once again help the disadvantaged , grow up !!

My daughter in the same situation !

they might offer a loan from there 26m northern bank haul hahaha

What’s that got to do with this article??

Oh Gordon… their not there…

sorry Sean i apologise for my bad grammar ….

Paddy might be a bit like me our memories are not that short ;)

Paddy the intellect.

oisin. what if they do not have any money? it’s one thing to say they are responsible but should the taxpayer be the default position? sorry , i dis agree , private contract and all that.

@ Paddy Murray

You got what you deserved. You elected corrupt governments like FG and FF. Your blathering about Sinn Fein shows your state of mind.

You are so right. I’m weird. I hate murder and murders. I dislike those who murdered 2,000 people, mostly their fellow Irishmen, women and children. I despise those who apologise for them. I have a thing about kangaroo courts and shooting people in the back of the head. I am not a fan of car bombs which kill innocent people. Causing untold damage to the economy, costing billions and costing thousands of jobs. And I have no time for organisations like Sinn Fein which claims to draw its mandate from history and yet tells us all the murders by their IRA buddies are ‘all in the past’ and that we should move on. Cliches, populism, milking us all for expenses. But no solutions. That’s the Shinners.

Is that paddy the plaster ?

Yes I have paid the Household Charge. I have also registered my Septic tank and am in the process of upgrading that’s system to ensure I comply with Environmental obligations.
I don’t use print cartridges.
I neither buy use or remove the dye from Agricultural diesel.
I have no penalty points on my driving licence.
I have never been charged with or accused of an offence under criminal law.
I am tired of bailing out the feckless the unfortunate and the corrupt.
Anymore and I’m off to a more benign environment such as Jersey or Guernsey or even the Isle of Man and Dessie can have his average Industrial wage!

Paddy, do you think the Government made the wrong decision in supporting the women who had low quality breast implants inserted? Come on man, tell us, do you think the Government are wrong?