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Anniversary of a massacre: what happened in Srebrenica?

Timeline in pictures and video: on the third day of Ratko Mladic’s trial and the anniversary of the massacre, TheJournal.ie takes a look back at the events of July 1995 – the UN and Europe’s darkest hour.

Some of the 30,000 predominantly Muslim refugees from the eastern Bosnian enclave of Srebrenica wait for transportation on 12 July 1995.
Some of the 30,000 predominantly Muslim refugees from the eastern Bosnian enclave of Srebrenica wait for transportation on 12 July 1995.
Image: AP/Press Association Images

This article was originally posted on 17 May when Ratko Mladic first appeared at the International Criminal Court in The Hague. It has been reposted today, 11 July, on the anniversary of the dreadful events at Srebrenica where 8,000 men and boys perished in one of the worst atrocities ever seen in Europe.

IT HAS BEEN JUST 17 years since the horror of Srebrenica.

Almost unbelievably, the July 1995 massacre is being marked today with a funeral for 520 newly-identified victims. The coffins are already at the memorial centre and burial pits have been dug. Women, who lost husbands, fathers, brothers, sons and grandfathers, stand by ready to say goodbye to their loved ones once more.

So far, about 5,000 victims of the massacre have been laid to rest but thousands remain unaccounted for. Over an 11-day period, up to 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered in a round of ethnic cleansing led by the Army of Republika Srpska (VRS).

The worst massacre in Europe since World War II had happened in the United Nation’s first ever safe area.

On this – the anniversary of Europe’s darkest hours and the third day of the trial of the man accused of masterminding the genocide – TheJournal.ie has taken a look at the events which led to the fall of Srebrenica and its bloody aftermath:

1992-1993

Srebrenica is a town in eastern Bosnia, about 10 miles from the Serbian border. During the conflict, which began in 1992, it was an enclave under the control of the Bosnian Army and housed thousands of Bosnian Muslims from surrounding areas. Operating from Srebrenica, Bosnian forces attack surrounding Serb villages in the early days of the war. However, over the four years, Bosnian Serbs besieged the area and frequently shelled it.

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‘A’ marks Srebrenica.

In January 1993, Naser Oric – the guerilla commander of the Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina – had doubled Muslim territory in east Bosnia and attacked the Serb-controlled village of Kravica, allegedly committing a number of atrocities against the local population. He was later tried by the ICT but acquitted of all charges.

By March, the Bosnian Serb Army had regrouped and backed with weapons and other resources from Serbia were able to surround the town. Up to 60,000 people had now arrived in Srebrenica for safekeeping.

On 12 March 1993, French General Philippe Morillon (pictured) who was the UN Commander in Bosnia got through the Serb front line and declared the town “under the protection of the UN”. He found an overcrowded, slum-like scenario as the town had little running water, shabby electricity supplies and a scarcity of supplies. He told the residents that they would not be abandoned by the world.

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Morillon reassures residents and refugees. (Image: Haris Nezirovic/AP/Press Association Images)

Although the Bosnian government and commanders opposed the move (they believed it was wrong that they had to move their people from their country), over the next month, about 5,000 people were evacuated under the auspices of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).

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Evacuees form Srebrenica look out from a UN truck in Medgas, north of Sarajevo on 20 March 1993. (Image: Michel Euler/AP/Press Association Images)

At the time, the New York Times reported:

But the effort to evacuate a large number of the 40,000-to-60,000 Muslim townspeople and refugees crowded into the Srebrenica enclave has turned into one of the most bitter disputes in a year of United Nations operations here.

Leaders of the Bosnian Government in Sarajevo have accused the United Nations of reneging on pledges to save Srebrenica from the attacks and of assisting instead in a Serbian policy of “ethnic cleansing”.

Just over one month later, on 16 April 1993, the town was declared a “safe area” by the UN amid fears that the Serbs would besiege it. The declaration meant the town (and a 30sq-mile radius) was demilitarised by 8 May. A BBC report from that day shows that the details of the UN Security Council plan were “unclear” about how the safe haven would be defended.

Both parties to the conflict signed up to the “safe area” agreement but the Serb army consistently refused to decommission weapons around Srebrenica.

On 25 April 1993, UN special envoy to Srebrenica Diego Arria said:

If we don’t watch out, this could become a slow-motion genocide.

1994

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On 19 December 1994, former US President Jimmy Carter (centre), Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic (left) and Bosnian Serb army commander Ratko Mladic (right) signed a declaration proposing a four-month ceasefire. Still, there was no sign of any decommissioning by Serbs in Srebrenica. (Image: Sava Radovanovic/AP/Press Association Images)

1995

As the situation in Srebrenica deteriorated even further at the beginning of 1995, about 400 Dutch troops were deployed as peacekeepers to Bosnia. The first battalion of Blue Helmets arrived at their base at Potocari. The Dutchbat, as they were known, were only lightly armed.

In May of the same year, Oric was taken out of the enclave by his leaders, leaving an ill-equipped Muslim defence. Meanwhile, the humanitarian situation had worsened dramatically. People began to die of starvation as the aid corridor remained closed and few supply convoys got through.

In a letter dated 26 January 1993 (see full version here), the Srebrenica Municipality said that 648 men, women and children had either died from starvation or disease.

As both the military and humanitarian situations deteriorated, NATO, the UN and Sarajevo remained indecisive about air strikes and further actions to increase the defence capabilities of the Dutch soldiers in the area.

Between 6 and 10 July 1995, the VSR saw an opportunity to begin an offensive as international powers dithered. Bosnian Serb forces laid siege to the so-called safe area where tens of thousands of Muslims were seeking refuge under the supposed protection of the UN. The Serbs did not care about any UN pact, however, and were impatient to move.



At this stage, there were about 600 lightly-armed Dutch forces who refused to return weapons to the Muslim fighters. As Serbian troops advanced, Dutch soldiers put up little resistance but asked for support with Dutch Commander Colonel Ton Karremans believing NATO airstrikes would begin immediately.

On 9 July, 30 Dutch soldiers were taken hostage and residents began to flee to camps south of Srebrenica. Most went to Potocari. One peacekeeper was killed when Bosnian Muslims fired on retreating Dutch troops.

Tensions rose drastically on 10 July with Dutch troops firing warning shots over the Serbs’ heads. Chaos ensued as Bosnian Muslims panicked and troops were under-resourced to deal with the situation.

Some of the scenes were captured on video:



(YouTube Credit: ushmmfellows)

Airstrikes were requested but never came and all five UNPROFOR (UN protection force) observation posts fell within days. Later it transpired that the request for airstrikes submitted by Karremans on 10 July after Mladic refused to retreat was written on an incorrect form.

When the correct form was finally submitted on the morning of 11 July, the planes had already returned to Italy to refuel. As the Dutch had reneged on the promise of strikes, about 20,000 refugees – in complete panic – fled to the main base at Potocari. Only about 5,000 were granted entry by the soldiers.

Two Dutch F-16 fighters dropped two bombs on Serb positions later that day but they were met with threats that the hostages would be killed. Further strikes were suspended as a result.

Eventually, Mladic entered Srebrenica to hold a meeting with Karremans. A deal was made to allow for the release of Dutch hostages. During the messy negotiations, those 5,000 Muslim refugees who had been given entry to Potocari were promised to the Bosnian Serbs. The Dutch say they were assured of the Bosniaks’ safety once their weapons were handed over.

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Karremans was photographed toasting his deal with Mladic on 11 July. (Image: Anonymous/AP/Press Association Images)

Later that day, Mladic’s triumphant walk through the town was captured by Serbian cameramen. He is seen here being congratulated by his men and barking orders to take down flags and signage belonging to the Bosnian Muslims. He is also heard directing his men to go straight to Potocari. Meanwhile, several thousand refugees awaited their tragic fate in that town.



On 12 July 1995, the segregation of the Muslim population of the area began. Women and children were bussed out to other Muslim territories while men and teenage boys were kept for “interrogation for suspected war crimes”.

Summary executions of men began and houses were set on fire at random by Serbian troops, according to witnesses. Others who tried to escape through the mountains were shelled as they fled.

About 23,000 women and children were deported over the next 30 hours. Most never saw their husbands, fathers, brothers and sons again. Witnesses also reported beatings and multiple rapes of those who were expelled.

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This July 13, 1995 file photo shows Dutch UN peacekeepers sitting on top of an APC as Muslim refugees from Srebrenica, eastern Bosnia, gather in the village of Potocari.

Peacekeepers handed over the 5,000 promised Muslims who had been sheltering at Potocari to Mladic’s troops on 13 July. In return, 14 Dutch hostages were released.

Over the next eight days, executions of up to 8,000 Muslim men and boys took place in schools, warehouses and other locations. Their bodies were placed in mass graves.

In the 14 years to follow, graves containing hundreds of bodies continue to be found across Bosnia.

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This 5 July 1996 file photo shows a Finnish forensic expert places a number next to the skull of a Srebrenica victim found in the hills above the village of Kravice, some 15 kms north west of Srebrenica. (Image: Staton R. Winter/AP/Press Association Images)

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Another mass grave at Pilica. (Image: Staton R. Winter/AP/Press Association Images)

In the days that followed there were very few stories of reunions of families. However, this rare one of a father and husband arriving safely to the UN air base at Tuzla after surviving the death march of six days from Srebrenica shows him being welcomed by his daughters and wife.

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(Image: MICHEL EULER/AP/Press Association Images)

The aftermath

The Red Cross compiled lists of victims and missing persons for years after the genocide. In 2005, the group said that 5,500 people remain unaccounted for following the events in Srebrenica. A staggering list of all persons unaccounted for in Bosnia after the 1990s conflict can be found here. It is still updated regularly.

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A banner held up in London in July 1998 shows the 7,300 names that the Red Cross had confirmed as victims of the massacre by that date. (Image: Ben Curtis/PA Archive/Press Association Images)

In 2011, years after the tragedy had occurred, a mass reburial of 613 victims took place with 40,000 mourners looking on. It had a special resonance after the capture of Mladic in May.

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(Image: Amel Emric/AP/Press Association Images)

On 5 July last year, the Hague court found that the State was responsible for the deaths of three Bosnian Muslims in the massacre. The unexpected ruling has paved the way for compensation claims by families against the Netherlands for not protecting the designated safe area. The judges in the case said that the Dutch troops should not have handed over the men to Bosnian Serb forces as Mladic overran the town.

The court ruled that the Dutch state is responsible for the death of these men because Dutchbat should not have handed them over.

BBC reported after the hearing:

The court said that even though Dutchbat was working under the UN after the fall of Srebrenica, in a situation which they called “extraordinary”, the Dutch government became more involved with Dutchbat and the evacuation, and in that sense they were responsible.

Back in 1995, Mladic fled into hiding after the war and spent 15 years as a fugitive before international pressure on Serbia led to his arrest last year. He is adamant that he has not committed any war crimes of which he is accused, including genocide. His actions were carried out to defend his country, he says. Now a frail 70-year-old, his appearances at the ICTY this week show a vastly different man to the commander who was given the name the Butcher of Bosnia two decades ago.

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In this September 1995 photo, Bosnian Serb commander Ratko Mladic plays pool during the pause in talks with U.N. commander Bernard Janvier in the town of Mali Zvornik. (Image: Sava Radovanovic/AP/Press Association Images)

He now faces 11 counts, including genocide of Bosniaks and Bosnian Croats during the war.

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Today in Srebrenica, Bosnian Muslim men carry coffins of their relatives during the funeral mass at the Potocari Memorial Centre. (Image: Sulejman Omerbasic/AP/Press Association Images)

First day: Emotional testimony from first witness in Mladic trial>

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Comments (54 Comments)

  • Thanks for this piece Sinead it’s a credit to you. This is Europe, this was fascism, this was the 1990s, we must do whatever is in our power to prevent a recurrence; we cannot allow the politics of the 1930s to take hold in Europe once more.

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  • Expertly documented. This is a great piece of journalism.

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  • The horror of what happened here should never be forgotten. The “soldiers” who carried out these murders should also be brought to justice. Murder is murder is murder.

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    • So you will agree that Bill Clinton should be arrested for the murders he committed in Serbia, bombing thousands of civillians. You would agree that George Dubbya and Bambi Blair should be also strung up for their murders and lies? Funny how it’s only murder when the Serbs are behind the trigger isn’t it.

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    • Thanks for posting this. Many awful things happened, from both sides, as in every war. I really resent biased media giving one side of the coin only – because most people sadly believe whatever the hear on the news without question. The Serbs are as much the victims as the Bosnian Muslims. It was a very very complicated situation rooted in hundreds of years of tensions, not as simle as Mladic woke up one morning and decided to kill thousands of Muslims for no reason at all as the media would have you believe.

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    • Total nonsense. I don`t know where you get your information, but the NATO bombing authorized by Bill Clinton was on military strongholds, not civilians you liar. Yes, some civilians were killed unintentionally, around 300-400, NOT thousands. And Amhlaoibh Mackook or whatever your name is, isn`t it funny that only the Serbs are facing the International Tribunal Court at Hangue and being sentenced for war crimes ???? Please give me ONE name of any Bosniak that has been found guilty of war crimes against humanity in that war. I`m waiting…..and way to go Serbia !!! You allowed a war criminal responsible for the killings of thousand to hide in your country for years.

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    • @Jeff Willman:

      Rasim Delic, Enver Hadzihasanovic, Amir Kubura, Esad Landzo and Hazim Delic are all Bosnikas that have been found guilty of war crimes at the ICTY. The list of Bosniaks at the Court of BIH is quite long if you are aware that cases that are heard there too.

      Your argumentum ad hominem let your arguments down badly.

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    • @ Padraic O`Callanain……..I was not aware of any Bosniaks that faced charges at the Tribunal Court, but I bet those charges were not for genocide. They are just as bad as the Serbs in my point of view, but my main point is what side was guilty of ethnic cleansing ? SERBIA. Who committed the most heinous war crimes not seen in Europe since WWII ? SERBIA. I`m not saying the Bosniaks are all innocent, they aren`t, but they did not break international war crimes laws to kill tens of thousands ( 10,000 in Sarajevo alone ) and burying them in mass graves to try and cover up what they did. Like I said before, the weight of the war and the ethnic cleansing belongs to the Serbs. I have been to Bosnia over a dozen times. I`m familiar with their culture as well. No one discusses the war because it`s I`m sure it`s a painful issue for them. And it makes me nauseated that 60% of Serbians think Radco Mladic is a “hero”. That is totally PATHETIC. No Bosnians think anyone on their side is a “hero”. Both are guilty, however you cannot argue that the Serbs did not committ the most dreadful acts against tens of thousands of innocent civilians because they did. So don`t compare oranges to apples. The Serbs did 10 times more damage than the Bosniaks.

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  • Brian 11/07/12 #

    Well done Sinead, that’s the most moving and informative story I’ve read on Journal for a while. The picture of the girl crying as she is reunited with her father is incredible.

    We need more stories like this on Journal, even if only to inform the younger generation of what went in Europe less than 20 years ago.

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    • Serbia must not be allowed to join the European Union until a generation has passed and the sins of the father can not then be visited upon their children. Until then they should be the pariahs of Europe.

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    • Well then Mark, in the name of not being hypocrits Ireland should be booted out of the EU for the “crimes” of the IRA no?

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    • @ Mark Hamilton

      Pretty closed minded comment, coming from somebody who’s knowledge of the Bosnian wars clearly could probably fit on a postage stamp. Yes, Bosnian Serb factions committed genocide and it was shocking. A lot of people from different sides did some pretty shocking things during the Bosnian wars, should you ever care to read about it. However, to tar a nation/ethnic group for the acts of a few, is both unproductive and ridiculous. Maybe try visiting in the region, learning the language, reading a few books or even understanding the fundamental history of the region before you demand that a generation of kids who know nothing of conflict into pariahs.

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  • Excellent and hugely informative article.

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  • This happened on Europes door step to Europeans & the EU did nothing. Again the legacy of europe do nothing & see what happens. We have little to be proud of in europe lets change that.

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  • The Dutch handed over 5,000 Bosnians in exchange for 14 Dutch soldiers? Who thought that was a good idea?

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  • I`m happy Ratko Mladoc was caught

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  • Brian 11/07/12 #

    Ah yes, the American Zionist mass media. Care to elaborate?

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  • @ Paul Carr Turkey is an Asian country it has no right to joint the EU and by the way most Serbs do not want to join the corrupt EU and I don’t blame them Serbs for not wanting to join

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  • I recant. I take back my apology to Padraic. I`m too much of a softy and I have too much compassion for the human race to not stick with my previous posts. Those that have sympathized with the Serbians are wrong. The weight of the war lies with Serbia, and just like I said before, Serbia has a black mark on her history of committing the worst genocide and crimes against humanity since WWII. There is no other way around it. And the media is not sticking up for the bosniaks, they are not biased at all, they reported accurate information because in all reality, why would they even want to take sides. It`s a no-brainer. I will NEVER forgive the Serbians for what they did, and when I read that 75% of surveyed Serbians think Ratko Mladic is a hero, I wanted to puke. Sick, evil and disgusting people. Some of those responsible still run free in Serbia. No conscience.

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  • Mujaahid 11/07/12 #

    The west allowed the massacre of over 8000 innocent Muslim men and boys – that’s what happened!

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    • Right so any time something bad happens and “Team America world police” aren’t there to stop it, it’s the West’s fault is it?

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    • With all due respect foreign interference in other countries’ domestic conflicts only exaserbates the situation. The truth is the western leaders couldn’t give a damn anyway about human rights, their main concern is what they can gain from it. If the EU or UN cared at all about human rights they would have Ariel Sharon on trial.

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    • @ Amhlaoibh MacCana

      “The truth is the western leaders couldn’t give a damn anyway about human rights”

      As opposed to the rest of the world, where human rights are just ‘so’ sacroscant. Pity we don’t get to enjoy the human rights afforded to people in places like Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Belarus or Syria. Living in the west is just such a drag.

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    • I never said the rest of the world is perfect, I was only refering to the west’s involvement as per the subject matter of this particular topic…so I don’t see the need for your sarcasm.

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  • Check this out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIrjffmjQg0

    Even the Dutch turned against the Moslems after they killed one of their soldiers.

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  • @ Amhlaoibh – I’ve some very stylish tin foil hats you might be interested in, fyi.

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  • CJ Keith u are not informed correctly.

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  • Thank you for your excellent coverage of this awful period in very recent European history. How easy it is to forget these atrocities which were committed virtually on our doorstep.

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  • Jeff don’t apologize Padraic is an IDIOT!!!!None of u know about Bosnia u can shove ur research u know where!

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    • Zumra, I recant that apology. Read my latest post. We really know what happened, these people just choose to ignore factual information, eyewitness accounts, mass graves uncovered, human remains found in the hills above Srebrenica. Where is the justice for the Bosniaks ???Thanks for replying Zumra

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  • I note that Ratko Mladic considers the Bosniaks to be Turks. Serbia should not be permitted to join the EU until Turkey joins first. Istanbul and Bosnia is as much a part of Europe as London and Paris.

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    • @ Paul Carr

      So considering that 49 percent of Bosnia is populated by Bosnian Serbs, what do you propose should happen these people? Yes, Bosnian Serb forces committed seriously awful atrocities in the 90’s wars in Bosnia, that is not disputed. However, people like you forget to mention how many war crimes were committed on Serbs by Bosniaks, and Croats in the same war. Or by Croats on Bosniaks and vice versa in the same war. Do you even know the difference between a Bosnian and a Bosniak, a Bosnian Serb and a Serb, a Croatian Serb or a Serbian Croat?? In the 90′s wars around 50 000 Serbs were killed and over 300,000 “cleansed” from BiH, and Croatia.

      I’m not taking sides here, but I think that it is important to note that there were atrocities committed by all sides in the 90′s Bosnian wars.

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    • Padraic: You ask me if I know the difference between a Bosnian and a Bosniak. You claim that 49% of Bosnians are Serbs and, therefore, presumably are the largest minority but according to

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

      the largest minority in Bosnia Herzegovina are the Bosniaks (48%) with the Serbs in second place with 37.1%.

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    • @ Paul Carr

      No, I said that 49% of Bosnia (BiH) is populated by Bosnian Serbs. NOT that 49% of the population of BiH is Serbian.

      It (Bosnia)is my home (and most likely always will be) hence, I know the region quite well.

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    • According to unofficial statistics from 2000, Bosniaks constitute 48% of the population of Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbs constitute 37.1% of the population and Croatians constitute 13.4% of the population. I can’t imagine those percentages have changed much since.

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    • @Paul Carr. Did you even read what I said? I am speaking about territory, I always was and this is crystal clear to anyone with a shred of attention to detail. So please answer my question, be grown up in your approach to debate and stop trolling. What in your opinion should happen these people that populate 49 percent of the territory of BiH?

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    • @ Paul Carr. A little slow on the uptake Paul, it worries me when people with such little knowledge on a subject and with such a lack of attention to detail come out with such dramatic sweeping statments.

      Patrick is absolutely correct. BiH is divided into two distinct entities. The Federation (mainly Croatian and Muslim) and the Republika Srpska which is Serb controlled. Republika Srpska comprises 49% of the land area of Bosnia and Herzegovina. He was speaking about territory (clearly).

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    • Bosnia Herzegovina should be permitted to apply for EU membership and join the EU as soon as conditions permit.

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    • Republika Srpska, the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Brcko District are not monolithic ethnic entities. I understand that there are Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and others to be found in all three.

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    • @ Paul Carr

      To keep you updated, I can tell you that Bosnia have already applied for EU membership.

      Territory under control is the argument here. RS is controlled by Serbian authorities. Brcko is tiny and is not an entity like the Federation or the Republic, its population is about 90,000 and it is self governing, so this isn’t really relevant in this thread.

      In Serbia, the country you wish to see banished from the EU’s candidate list (Yes it is an official candidate country), there are large Montenegrin, Hungarian, Bosniak, Romanian, Macedonian, Jewish, Vlach, etc. minorities. 82% of the population of Serbia identity themselves as Serbs. Yet, you wish to see them all punished for what were essentially the actions of what are predominantly Bosnian Serbs, and ethnic group from what is technically another country.

      I am not entirely sure you understand the dynamics of the region whatsoever. Friends of mine are from Novi Pazar, who are Serbian Muslims, although the Serbian Muslim friends I have from what is now ‘Kosovo’ are oficially seen as Bosniaks there, even though they never set foot in Bosnia and are Serbian passport holders. Many people living in Sarajevo are from mixed families, half Serb – half Muslim, half Croat half Muslim, etc. These people do not fall under any one category, but will merely call themselves Bosnian. In the ‘olden times’ they would have been Yugoslavs, in the true sense of Tito’s vision of the word. Accordingly, sweeping half baked statements like the ones you made above, are just not applicable here and do little to help.

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    • A credible application for EU membership has yet to be submitted by Bosnia. One may be submitted before the end of this year.

      http://www.europolitics.info/external-policies/sarajevo-receives-accession-road-map-art338492-41.html

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    • I didn’t write that Serbia should be banished from the EU candidate list. I wrote that Serbia should wait in line……behind Turkey.

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    • @ Paul Carr

      So you are saying that Serbia should not be allowed EU membership until Turkey first join the EU, all because of what one madman, Ratko Mladic said?

      How does this make any sense?

      Are you aware of Turkey’s historical relationship with Serbia, or will you have to run to google for that one too?

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    • The Bosniaks did not commit genocide against thousand of innocent civilians. Name ONE Bosniak that has faced the Tribunal Court in Hague and sentenced for war crimes ? Just one. Did the Bosniaks round up THOUSANDS of innocent people and systematically execute them ?? You are ill-informed, not too intelligent and need to do research before you post, because you make yourself look foolish.

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    • @Jeff Willman:

      Your argumentum ad hominem let your arguments down badly. You should just stick to a mature debate instead of castigating people for their views.

      You state “I have studied and researched the Bosnian war diligently”. Clearly you have a bit more study to do if you are unaware that Rasim Delic, Enver Hadzihasanovic, Amir Kubura, Esad Landzo and Hazim Delic are all Bosnikas that have been found guilty of war crimes at the ICTY. The list of Bosniaks convicted of war crimes at the Court of BIH is quite long if you are aware that cases that are heard there too.

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    • @ Padraic O`callanain…..some people need to be “castigated’. You sure seem to think you know every detail, every miniscule detail, about this war. Were you fighting in the war ? Sorry, but thhe self-righteous types are also the simpler types. Call me immature , or whatever. I`ll admit I stated some things incorrectly on this topic, but seems to me you think you are never wrong. Arrogance isn`t a well recieved trait to posess.

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    • I apologize Padraic. I didn`t mean to be insulting and I was. I guess I`m a little sensitive about this war because of Bosniak friends. The whole thing just drives me crazy. It was all so unnecessary. ANY person responsible for any death in that war must face their own conscience, and that means Bosniaks and Serbs. I was delivering humanitarian aid along with several groups to Bosnia during that time to Medjugorje. I could hear the bombs and shelling on the other side of the mountain, but for some reason, the Serbs retreated and did not enter Medjugorje. Also, A Serb fighter jet dropped cluster bombs on Medjugorje but they failed to explode. so, no hard feelings, OK. I am not able to judge anyone. Have a good day :)

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  • Why was my first comment removed?

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    • Because your posts show your ignorance. Yes, the Bosniaks were partly to blame, but the weight of the war and the genocide lies with the Serbians. I have studied and researched the Bosnian war diligently. It cannot be denied that the Serbian “Scorpions” committed the worst atrocities on European soil since WWII. A majority of the deaths of Serbians were soldiers, not innocent people terrified, hunted in the woods and shot like wild animals, The Serb forces killed 8,000 Bosniaks in a week, burying them in mass graves in and around Srebrenica and surrounding villages. Srebrenica was a UN “safe haven” for Bosniak refugees. The Serbs violated internation law by invading the camp, tying up the 400 guard soldiers and systematically executed men, women, children and even babies by witness accounts. There were many women raped. Their sons and husbands nowhere to be seen because they were executed. Many witnesses even reported that a Serbian soldier cut out twin babies of a pregnant woman and beat the babies to death. One soldier was witnessed telling a mother to keep her child quiet, and when the baby didn`t stop crying, he slit it`s throat and laughed. The Bosniaks did NOT committ genocide of innocent civilians, and NATO had every right to intervene and bomb Serbian hideouts and bases to end the bloodshed. Many of the Serbians responsible, like the head General Ratko Mladic, have gone before the tribunal court in Hague and sentenced to life in prison. I have never heard of any Bosniaks going to the tribunal court except to just testify. Yes, the burden lies with Serbia, and Serbia will have a black mark in it`s history of committing crimes against humanity. So, your words ring empty in my brain because you are obviously ill-informed of what actually took place. Whole Bosniak families were displaced, most of the surivors never saw their sons or husbands again. Only PURE EVIL can`t committ such atrocities. Now, do your research before you post and make yourself look foolish.

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    • @Jeff Willman.

      Hi Jeff,I am not sure who your question or ‘not too intellegent’ comment was directed at, but just off the top of my head, Rrasim Delic, Enver Hadzihasanovic, Amir Kubura, Esad Landzo and Hazim Delic are all Bosnikas that have been found guilty of war crimes at the ICTY. The list at the Court of BIH is quite long if you are aware of the cases that are heard there too.

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  • Cj Keith 02/08/12 #

    A tragic war and a total NATO/UN cock up that caused the unnecessary deaths of many Bosniaks, Croats AND Serbs!There is a major media bias about the Srebrenica massacre that demonizes the Serbs to a very unfair point! the truth is there were good and bad people on all sides of the fence! Naser oric was released after only two years by the hauge yet his BiH Muslim gorilla units were as brutal in the killing of Serbs as the VRS and Serb volunteer forces were to the Muslim population!Same goes with the Croatian HVO lead by Ante Gotovina!Everybody in the former Yugoslavia suffered because of this horrible civil war, and the only reason the Serbs did the most damage was because of the better weaponry they had at their disposal from the Yugoslav peoples army!Im sure it would have been the same tragic result no matter which ethnic group would have had that access to the military! What really does bug me though is why NATO along with Germany and the US etc were so keen to push for independence of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia despite the trouble that it was bound to lead to!!!!

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