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Column: North Korea has gone nuclear – but that’s not the real threat

North Korea will never be included in international non-proliferation efforts if it is eternally treated as a pariah, writes Eoghan Murphy.

North Korean army officers and soldiers attend a rally at Kim Il Sung Square on Thursday, Feb. 14, 2013, in Pyongyang, North Korea, in celebration of the country's recent nuclear test.
North Korean army officers and soldiers attend a rally at Kim Il Sung Square on Thursday, Feb. 14, 2013, in Pyongyang, North Korea, in celebration of the country's recent nuclear test.
Image: Jon Chol Jin/AP/Press Association Images

THE NORTH KOREANS are getting better with their bombs; or so it would appear from details surrounding their latest test of a nuclear device. Experts will examine the available data over the coming weeks to determine (if they can) the fissile material used in the bomb, its likely size, and whether or not it used the kind of technology that could see it fit atop a missile. But the fact that North Korea has been able to carry off another nuclear test, this time with a seismic force far greater than their previous test in 2009, indicates significant progress. The time for halting North Korea’s ambitions in this area are long past.

Does that mean that we should stop trying? No. But maybe it’s time to admit that the nuclear diplomacy practised so far by the US and others has got us nowhere.

Tough talk

The reaction by the international community has been predictable, and will likely be as ineffective as the tough talk that came before the test. The UK has threatened that North Korea will face further isolation. But can it be any more isolated than it is already? The international community has by now levelled every sanction imaginable at the country, going so far as to ban exports like luxury yachts and lobsters to its elite.

This latest test has in fact done the opposite of isolating Korea: it has brought the country, and its new, young leader, centrestage.

The US has called the act a threat to US and international security. Is it really? Yes, but not in the way one might initially imagine. North Korea would hardly risk its own destruction by waging nuclear war against the most powerful army the world has ever seen (or its protectorates in South Korea and Japan). It might be “different”, but it is not irrational or stupid.

Proliferation

The real threat now is that of proliferation: the worrying possibility that North Korea could spread its nuclear knowledge to other countries as it has in the past; or that countries in the region whom do not have a nuclear weapon, like Japan and South Korea, might develop the bomb out of fear for their security. The former is a serious threat, the latter more existential, undermining as it would well-established norms in the nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation effort. A further, slightly less direct, threat is the continued legitimisation (in their own eyes at least) of the United States’s quest for a missile shield, a dangerous idea that has already become a source of much tension between the US and Russia.

Is there any practical way of deterring North Korea from its nuclear ambitions? History suggests there is not. The only suspected case of a nuclear rollback — where a country has built an arsenal and then unilaterally dismantled it — is South Africa. And even if that suspicion is to be believed, the theory tells us that the decision to disarm was based on internal calculations of the security dynamic, and not because of external threats or pressures directed at its clandestine programme.

The world through Cold War lenses

Countless sanctions against North Korea have not prevented it from exploding three nuclear devices to date, as well as testing a number of ballistic missiles (mostly unsuccessfully); both are activities that the international community, through the UN Security Council, has forbidden it from pursuing.

North Korea has broken every international agreement it has ever entered into in this area, over a period of 28 years, transgressing far beyond Iraq and Iran. Yet war is not an option. North Korea could destroy Seoul with conventional missiles overnight, killing hundreds of thousands of people and destroying the Asian economies in the process. And special diplomacy between the main players in the region, including Russia and the US as brokers, has demonstrably failed.

Can we incentivise North Korea away from its nuclear ambitions? Unlikely. Generous incentives in the past were quickly abused and proved pointless.

North Korea seems to be from a different era, viewing the world through Cold War lenses where the possession of a nuclear deterrent is both the ultimate defence and the ultimate legitimacy. No country with a nuclear weapon has ever been invaded. And those countries with the bomb either sit at the international top table (the UN Security Council etc) or are courted avidly by the main global powers.

The greatest threat of all

As with Iran, you cannot look at the nuclear issue in isolation. But then you have to ask yourself if there is any point in looking at this issue at all. Despite our best and worst efforts, North Korea has gone nuclear. The imperative now must surely be to keep it on side, to keep it from spreading its knowledge and technology to others. We must attempt to slowly draw the reclusive state into the fold, into the normalcy of international relations in the 21st century — ignoring if we must its nuclear transgressions. We have to include it if we are to stop the spread of nuclear weapons. Huffing and puffing has got us nowhere.

China will condemn the test and the US will seek the strongest possible response. But both countries have failed to ratify the one international treaty that bans all nuclear weapon testing — the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty — and because of this the Treaty is not yet in force.

These countries should really recognise their own responsibility (and hypocrisy) here. Ultimately we will never be able to include North Korea in international efforts if it is eternally treated as a pariah. It will not give up the bomb when its people are starving, paranoid and desperate. And it will not give up the bomb while others continue to keep it. But it might give it away – and that is the greatest threat.

This piece was first published on Le Monde Diplomatique. Eoghan Murphy is the Fine Gael TD for Dublin South East.

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Comments (46 Comments)

  • Internationally the best thing that could happen is a revolution by the North korean people but I think lil Kim would gladly slaughter every last one of them to hold power.unfortunately I don’t think anyone has a solution to sort this hornets nest.

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  • The regime in North Korea is many things, but they are not stupid. Any war they start will only have one outcome. I find it unlikely that the China of today will rally to Pyongyang’s cause if they attack the South and the North Korean forces would face the combined might of the United States, the Republic of Korea and possibly Japan.

    Sabre rattling is usually just employed by governments to distract their citizens from the real problems and the DPRK has those in spades.

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  • Where’s the tall fella gone?

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  • Couldn’t agree more with your conclusion. Trying to bully countries like North Korea and Iran will do nothing but feed the flames. I know if i was in their shoes I wouldn’t care what the Americans or Brits think because they’re seen as the enemy who obviously don’t want them to access nuclear weapons. They do need to be included as an “equal” and China are the only ones who the North Koreans will listen to. Pressure needs to come from China, they have the most to loose if that region becomes anymore unstable.

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  • All it takes is one clown to start world war 3 and the number of clowns with big bombs is growing. It isnt a case of this not happening more of a case of when.

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  • They must be so ronery.

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  • The US is currently the biggest spender on military in the world and spends more than the next 26 countries combined. 25 of those countries are allies. If North Korea were to make any attempt on the US, the US would blow them from here to Pluto. So I wouldn’t worry about North Korea too much.

    Obama referring to the new tests as a “threat” is laughable when you consider the US has 30,000 troops in South Korea. If that’s not a threat I don’t know what is.

    Before I get accused of being “Pro-North Korean” or something equally churIish I’d like to point out don’t support North Korea’s action I just don’t think America’s foreign policy is a paragon of virtue either.

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  • Interesting article from Eoghan, although I disagree with his conclusions. North Korea was already a fully signed up member of the NPT (and so part of “non-proliferation efforts”). It abused that position and developed a nuclear weapon in contravention of its international obligations, to which it freely signed up. To court it back somehow (Eoghan doesn’t give specifics) would undermine the non-proliferation regime and weaken efforts to achieve a universal Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. Such an approach sends the message that to leave the NPT and develop a nuclear weapon would be rewarded by the international community. It also reinforces the concept that pursuit and acquisition of nuclear weapons legitimise a regime, regardless of its previous record. I agree that the real threat of North Korea’s test is proliferation but what Eoghan is arguing for here would not solve a proliferation crisis. It would likely create one.

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  • The US labelling the threat from North Korea is laughable.How is North Korea any threat to the US.
    North Korea has a right to defend itself and if it chooses to do this through the use of a nuclear deterrent then so be it.
    The US is the one who is a threat to international stability and peace. The US invaded Iraq for no reason whatsoever in its last invasion of Iraq. The US goes around the place declaring war and invading here and there. There is bound to be a consequence to this.

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    • Did you actually read the article??

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    • B Lowe 19/02/13 #

      I am referring to the constant claims re US and thus issue.

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    • B lowe you really hate america so much so every post is towards the middle east. Arguements for other threads.

      Here we focus on north korea a stalinist nation that kill millions through starvation and torture. They are not stupid they know they can sink a warship and the south want risk the capital.

      Any war would have clear outcome. The south would invade cause massive damage and within a week the north would be no more.

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    • Liam 19/02/13 #

      @ B Lowe – “The US invaded Iraq for no reason whatsoever in its last invasion of Iraq”. Tell that to the millions of people who suffered extreme forms of abuse under Saddam Hussein, Before America and other forces invaded Iraq, it was a concentration camp above ground and a mass grave beneath it.

      “The US goes around the place declaring war and invading here and there. There is bound to be a consequence to this.”, I am certainly no fan of the United States, yet when they do send their forces to other countries, they don’t have this wild cowboy mentality that deluded individuals claim they do. When they do intervene in security situations around the world, the U.S. is hated enough as it is, launching unnecessary campaigns of war will only further increase the dislike it already receives as well as losing the lives of its soldiers and costing the American taxpayer very large amounts of money to fund these campaigns, therefore declaring war on who it likes and invading where it likes is not a viable option, the U.S. may be the strongest military in the world, but it is not stronger than the world and the U.S. knows this.

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    • B Lowe 19/02/13 #

      Re Liam.
      The US illegally invaded Iraq.Fact.
      Any number of commentators will tell you that Iraq today is much worse than it ever was under Saddam. Typhoid and other disease are rampant, the majority of major educational institutions have been bombed, the sewerage treatment system is an echo of what it once was. I mean how deluded do you have to be to be believe either the US was right invading Iraq or that Iraq is better off today. Tell that to the one million plus poor souls killed in Iraq as the result of the American invasion.

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    • B Lowe 19/02/13 #

      Re Liam.
      Could you tell me why the US are in Afghanistan? That by the way is another unwarranted and unprovoked invasion by the US on a sovereign nation.

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    • Unwarranted and unprovoked? After 9/11? You really are deluded B.
      The US is there now as part of a UN sanctioned force requested by the democratically elected government of Afghanistan. I can understand that may be an inconvenient fact for you. The fact that you are arguing here that these countries were actually better off under their previous brutal dictatorships just shows how utterly morally bankrupt your “America is always evil” stance is.

      Why did the US intervene in Somalia where it tried to prevent the spread of famine? Why did it intervene in Bosnia and Kosovo if not to stop the horror of ethnic cleansing and new death camps? Which nations do you admire B? North Korea and Cuba is it?

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    • What I find scary is that your sensible and truthful posts get many dislikes here. It’s as if these people here are also ‘brainwashed’. Either that or the fact that proper research is not done or otherwise a lacking in intelligence.

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    • Back to the point of the article. Another case of ” Do as I say and not as I do ” from all other nuke holding nations ?

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    • @B Lowe u are correct . As the article says – no nation that had Nuclear weapons has been invaded by US or its lapdogs . The biggest thereat to world peace is US itself – with its warmongering – and its need to keep its war machine making money for the Rich – and sending drones for Obama s kill list – so then they get ”blowback ” – which suits them fine – as it gives more opportunities for invading cpintries – and keeping the Eternal war going .
      @LIAM ”
      the U.S. may be the strongest military in the world, but it is not stronger than the world and the U.S. knows this”
      – but does it – during the 2008 election campaign – Obama said on CNN – that his aim was tio bring US values ” to the rest of the world ”.
      given US values as repressing the working calss – and invading many coiuntries – and having NDAA – it is fast becoming the new USSR .
      @udont knwo me – ”The south would invade cause massive damage and within a week the north would be no more.”
      the south + US would annihliate N Korea – do u think that N Korea dont know this .- but with nuclear weapons they are safe . the MAD doctrine works .
      If Iran had nuclear weapons now – there would be no talk of a war on Iran – nor sanctions that kill women and kids – as was case with Iraq .
      As for killing – add up US total Vietnam , Indonesia , Iraq and all its proxy wars .

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    • Yes exactly Jim. It’s so disturbing for people to not see the obvious and that people like you and me have to point that out to people.

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    • b lowe wow thats kinda amazing insight but not going to challenge you other have this is about n korea so i’ll stay on that

      @ jim the north knows well about that your right, old equipment hardly any fuel, ageing jets. but they have massive artillary on the border pointing south, most hidden. they wont risk all out war.

      as for iran, its coming and soon. Israel wont let them get the bomb. intelligence seems to know the level of development, would be silly to think that they and the US have some form of a spy in there. when the time comes Israel will hit them hard. the US will probably have limited involvement

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    • B Lowe 19/02/13 #

      The US got the largest base in Europe out of Kosovo. So that is your argument re that nullified.
      Can you tell me why the US did not invade Germany so? Most of the planning for 9/11 was discussed there.
      If you think the US went into Afghanistan because of 9/11 then you really are not facing up to reality. The US has been trying to get pipelines into Afghanistan since the 80′s. The talks between Unocoal Corporation and the Taliban government broke down one month before 9/11 re putting pipelines in. 9/11 was a golden opportunity the US could not waste.

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    • @Gavin Ross

      Please don’t try and imply that the US invades countries for purely humanitarian reasons. You mention their “UN sanctioned” occupation of Afghanistan, but you fail to mention the fact that the US went against the UN Security Council when invading Iraq, lied about WMDs and embarked on an invasion which then UN general secretary Kofi Annan described as “illegal”.

      I don’t like North Korea. But I don’t like the US’ foreign policy either. And implying that they are some sort of international lifeguards saving misguided souls is absolute tosh.

      Someone else said that the US hasn’t been “cowboy” when invading other countries. Google “Agent Orange”. Then check up all of the illegal drone strikes which the current Obama administration is launching on sovereign states like Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia and the thousands of civilians they have killed.

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    • The US or the other loonies on offer? I know which one I’m choosing. Bloody bleeding hearts….

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    • If by “bleeding heart” you mean someone who is unhappy that the US has been allowed to kill thousands of innocent civilians for the last decade in the name of “Freedom” without punishment then yes, I am a bleeding heart.

      I’d choose the US over North Korea as well but it doesn’t make the US’ crimes any less morally repugnant or indeed illegal.

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    • Sergé 20/02/13 #

      Have to agree that the actions of the U.S. in the last while have, in fact, been illegitimate.

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    • Conor, I would imagine that the US “crimes” pale in comparison to what is going on in North Korea and toerag countries like it and Iran.

      Never ceases to amaze me that people have some sort of twisted admiration for these hell hole “states”.

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    • B Lowe, the Americans have their biggest Balkans base in Kosovo. Not their biggest European base. It has 1400 soldiers based there. Hardly evidence of a massive military buildup.

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    • B Lowe – the largest US military base in Europe is in Kosovo? Can you name it please as I’ve tried to find it online and cant see any news on this huge apparently secret base.
      As for the argument that the US went into Afghanistan so it could built a oil / gas pipeline thats just laughable. The war there has cost over $640bn (http://csis.org/publication/us-cost-afghan-war-fy2002-fy2013) which is a lot to pay for a pipeline that can be blown up at any time.

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    • @eamon bolger ”
      The US or the other loonies on offer”– are u imply ing that being agaist US foreign and indeed economic plicy is to be ” looney ” . Well the Evidence re US war crimes over past 50 years – and further back if u wish to there – is abundant – all u have to do is go look for it .

      John Pilgers site or Noam chomskys site will give u plenty of info . U can take the time to read or watch Chomsky – and come to wahtever conclusion u wish to – but the evidence is there .
      as for US crimes paling compared to North Korea -done ” Imagine ”—- – find out and u will find the opposite . North K has not launched Nuclear missiles at a defseless pop. – when totally unnecesssary and immoral – at Hiroshima and Nagasaki . It does not invade other countries and rob them .

      It did not kill 3-4 million in Vitenam , apprx 2 million in Indonesia , one million in Iraq + millions homeless – - its a long list – from Chile to Iraq , Chagos Island , Vietnam , – its a long list and more on the agenda .
      @sege – illegimate – many were – but if one is dead – does it really matter if one was ionnocent or guilty eg of ” thought crime ” which US now regards as justifaitaion for drone attack .
      Heck what is that I hear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      @Premium gamerez
      ”It’s so disturbing for people to not see the obvious and that people like you and me have to point that out ”
      what is disturbing is that people can only come to the idea of US being a force for good if they are not looking up variuos sources of info eg Znet , Chomsky [ finest intelect on planet ]- to name but two .

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    • @Eamonn Bolger

      What are you saying? When did I “express my admiration” for North Korea and Iran? Jesus Christ, stop putting words in my mouth. Their Governments are not nice. But neither is the US Government.

      The US’ “crimes” pale in comparison? Iran and North Korea have committed and continue to commit some unspeakable atrocities but if you are idiotic enough to believe that American’s crimes “pale in comparison” then I cannot help you.

      Please do some research on the US’ many, many war crimes.

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    • Ah yeah, sure they’re probably grand lads at the back of all the dehumanising of women, execution of gay people, dragging an entire population back to the Dark Ages. the starving of a populace in North Korea, and their stated aims to wipe out other nations who question their conduct.

      And people try to rationalise and defend this? And have a jab at the Yanks at the same time. Sweet Jesus.

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    • @Eamonn Bolger

      WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? PLEASE TELL ME WHERE ANYONE PRAISED NORTH KOREA.

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  • I would advise anyone sprouting on about 9/11 and how in some way 9/11 gave the states reason to kill people all around the world to take a good long look at building7.org, thank you.

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  • http://www.AE911truth.org

    Over 1700 Architects and Engineers who reject the ‘official findings for 9/11′ and they are working with and alongside families who lost loved ones on 9/11 and the various emergency service workers who attended the 9/11 scene.

    @ Phil, its not a thin foil hat brigade and the official findings are the conspiracy theory.

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    • oh lord what actually amazes me or saddens me im not sure which is that you had 4 likes just one dislike when i looked at this.

      there is nothing in 9/11 it was a terrorist attack 4 planes 3 buildings, 2 of which came down starting a fire in another and that came down. Education time. steel under extreme heat lets say jet fuel becomes very very brittle and can shatter just like glass.

      The amazing feat of engineering that was thew WTC’s was evident the fact that two massive jets at 500 mph did not know them down right away. the fuel ignited creating massive heat on the steel that had its fire protection blown away by force of impact. the 3rd jet that hit washington caused same type of damage and the 4th was brought down by very brave passengers that saved the white house.

      Sorry but anyone who thinks different is deluded and well not very intelligent. Thats why these people that think this are most often in low end jobs as that kind of non realistic thinking goes into other avenues such as stuff in water to control population, roswell new mexico. My personal fave was the stealth helicopters in the 90′s made popular in the movie conspiracy theory. they barely actually got that off the ground a couple of years ago and while invisible to enemy they still lost one as they were not reliable going after bin laden.

      i would suggest gents that if you believe this feel free to use the journals facebook page its normally where all the people of that line of thought go.

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    • Ignorance is bliss

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  • Referring to countries and other entities as if they are person or a thing is known as reifying , it is used extensively in the media and everyday discourse as a shorthand method of simplifying complex entities to get a point across.

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    • Really? I’d have used ‘personification.’ Reification is more correctly the act of imbuing a tangible reality on an abstract concept for artistic or symbolic purposes – when used intentionally.

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  • An excellent article, but your credibility as a serious political journalist is marred somewhat by the jarring misuse of ‘whom’ in the nominative. You’d have been served better by ‘countries in the region who’, or better yet, ‘countries in the region that’ – countries are not people.

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