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Column: TD expenses controversy misses the point

If TDs are found to be misusing travel allowances but didn’t know about it, writes Eoin O’Malley, maybe the rules are the problem…

Eoin O'Malley

THE CONTROVERSY THAT has erupted because of the alleged misuse of expenses by Socialist Party TDs, Joe Higgins and Clare Daly, probably says more about the expenses system and the level of debate on political reform in Ireland than it does about the TDs in question.

They freely admitted to claiming expenses, such as mileage, for their travel to protests against the household charge. It has emerged that there may be a rule in the Oireachtas expenses system that the travel one is entitled to claim for as a TD is to do with constituency duties, so travel to and from the Dáil to a TD’s constituency is alright, as is travel within one’s own constituency, but apparently if you venture outside you cannot claim your expenses.

Now this is not all that clear and the Oireachtas is getting legal advice. But even if they are breaking the letter of the rules, surely the rules are the problem, not their actions. Some may object that what they were doing in their travel is to encourage people to break the law, ie, not to pay the
Household Charge, and it seems perverse that the state should subsidise them in their endeavours.

But the bigger point is whether TDs are encouraged only to do constituency work or to campaign nationally. I suspect many TDs were surprised when this issue arose, as some, such as Brian Hayes admitted that as a front bench spokesman he claimed expenses for travel to engagements related to his policy area.

At a time when we are crying out for politicians to deal with national issues and get away from parish pump politics, it seems ridiculous to leave in place and enforce rules that encourage them to stick to their own constituencies. TDs are elected by constituents in a certain geographic location, but they legislate for all of us, so their votes in the Dáil don’t just relate to their constituency. As citizens we presumably want access to frontbench spokesmen from the opposition parties, but how can they do this if their expenses are not covered?

A populist response to this is that TDs are well paid and that they should cover this travel from their own salary. The rest of us don’t get travel expenses to cover our bus fare to work, so why should they? But equally if any of us lucky enough to have work are asked to travel somewhere for our work we wouldn’t expect to be out of pocket for it – so why should TDs? TDs work harder and longer hours than most people, and while much of what they do may not be that useful, that is to some extent our fault for rewarding certain types of behaviour with re-election. Look at Joe Higgins and Michael McDowell, some of the best nationally-focused parliamentarians we had, yet they were both dumped out of the Dáil in 2007.

“The main problem is the fact that expenses are unvouched”

If there is a problem with the Oireachtas expenses system, this is not it. The main problem is the fact that expenses are unvouched, so TDs can buy a standard class train ticket but charge us for a first-class one. In this way expenses can be used to supplement their salary. The daily allowance they get for signing in to work in Leinster House is also difficult to justify, especially when the Dáil restaurant is so highly subsidised.

The minor expenses controversy also says something about the debate on political reform in Ireland. We have a tendency to focus on the wrong things. We focus on populist stuff, such as expenses, that makes no appreciable difference to how well the political system works. The reform agenda is focused on abolishing the Seanad, when it is clear this would fix nothing, and may even make it harder for the committee system to do its job. We’re going to have a smaller number of TDs, but this will make little or no difference.

Bizarrely the imminent Constitutional Convention won’t be allowed to consider these issues, but will look at removing the article on the role of women – an article so out of date that it could be removed without controversy in a tidying up exercise. The Convention will consider a small number of issues of political reform, but not in a complete or holistic way; they’ll be allowed to look at bits and pieces to encourage women’s participation and the electoral system. But it’s not starting out with an analysis of what is wrong with the political system.

The make-up of the Constitutional Convention is just as odd. There was a call to have ordinary citizens involved, but rather than allow them make decisions to put to the people, the citizens will probably be dominated by the 33 Oireachtas members who’ll form part of it. And the Convention
won’t be able to make recommendations that can automatically be put to the people; instead the government can pick the bits it likes and discard what doesn’t suit it. A basic principle should be that politicians are not the best people to design a political system – they have their own special
interests. While they certainly do have something to offer the debate, they should not have the final say.

Even though we’ve put in place a new government to replace Fianna Fáil, the political system that allowed such huge policy errors to happen is still in place. And to judge by the quality of the debate on Clare Daly’s expenses, we haven’t learned much from our mistakes either.

Eoin O’Malley teaches Irish politics and other stuff in Dublin City University.

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Comments (42 Comments)

  • Show me anywhere that self regulation works? It never does. Human nature ultimately takes over and all systems are ultimately abused. Irish Politicians as usual lead the Posse ’cause they’ve had 90 odd years practice. By all means pay the agreed expenses but they must be vouched. That’s the fair way.

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  • mel 06/07/12 #

    What planet are you on
    “if any of us were lucky enough to have work and had to travel to work we wouldn’t expect to be out of pocket”
    I know friends of mine travelling to Wales and London and home every second weekend and they don’t get any Expenses!!

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    • Mel you ignore the reasoning behind travel expenses for Members of Parliament. Quite simply they are a protection to ensure that the people most distant and far flung from the centre of power are not disadvantaged and disenfranchised by someone living adjacent to the parliament. Everyone active in politics knows this and particularly Joe Higgins who received a Club Class airfare between Dublin and Brussels for all the years he was an MEP. German Members got train fare or mileage. These expenses were about attending parliament and not running around the country fomenting rebellion!.

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  • “TDs work harder and longer hours than most people”

    This is often stated, but where is the evidence that TDs actually work harder than “most people” receiving comparable compensation? (including pension, and generous unvouched expenses)

    The answer is that there is no such evidence. That is the case even if this was to be measured in hours worked, and not results achieved. I also contend that the vast majority of people at this level of remuneration are judged on results – something that would be a massive shock to the Irish politician.

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  • I work my ass off for minimum wage and can barely afford to keep a car on the road, to get to and from work. Where do these people get off?

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  • perhaps we are paying our politicians far too much. Mick Wallace can get by on half his money, why can’t the rest? and as for expenses, I never received money to get to work, neither should the politicians. S.F. employ staff and only take statuary wages (the rest go to party funds) likewise the independents. yes, on mature reflection, we could halve the wages, do away with expenses completely, save the country €60 million to spend on the homeless and really needy of our country.

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  • Lets be completely honest here, the rules are written in a vague way that is open for interpretation. The people who wrote these rules meant this to be the case for their own benefit.

    None of these people are members of the ULA or socialist party. In fact the people blowing hot air over the last couple of weeks are members of the parties who invented and benefitted from the unvouched nature and vagueness of the rules the most.

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    • What’s been seen Is that abuse of expenses is rife among TDs of every idealogy. ANY TD that diverts his or her expense to fund an individual or party cause is ripping off the taxpayer. It is not a case of being less or more guilty, or it being less harmful because it’s for a worthy cause. Party causes should be funded by the party. Individual causes should be funded by the individual. Expenses should be carefully controlled and should only be refunded for legitimate governmental activities.

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    • Too True left, i am little disappointed that you deliberately left Pearse Doherty off your list.

      Mark Hamilton, you are the one who claims its morally right to saddle the Irish under the age of 25 with the debt of the Irish over 25 ……. I think you are deluded at best and …… at worst! You think its OK to saddle 68,000 uro nooses around the neck of every new born child in this country, in order to protect the German Bankers, because in your view, German Bankers are not responsible for the debts of the Irish bankers.

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    • Apologies Cal, but do please note I have been one of the people repeatedly pointing out that he was found innocent of any wrongdoing.

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  • When anyone else is dishonest, they’re at fault.
    When SF/ ULA are dishonest, it’s the system that’s at fault.

    People fall over themselves to makes excuses for them that they don’t for anyone else. It makes me nauseous.

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  • Expenses are provided for constituency and travel to/from The Dail.
    If Claire Daly and Joe Higgins want to shuttle themselves around the country pushing the Socialist Party agenda, the Socialist Party should pay for it. End of.

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    • The Campaign Against Household, Water and Septic Tank Taxes goes well beyond the Socialist Party or any other grouping supporting it. It’s a huge national campaign of boycotting an unjust tax and many counties don’t have any public reps who will stick their neck out and represent them. We pay our tax to fund the Dail and should be able to invite TDs who represent our views and have experience fighting for ordinary people. And the ULA TDs fully account for their expenses which are kept to a minimum.

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  • Expenses only to be used for Parish Pump politics within one’s own constituency.

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  • if the socialist party and others feel so strongly about the household why dont they pay for there own protests out of there own pockets!

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  • Elrat 06/07/12 #

    We could save 1.5 billion if all the perks the dept are getting were abolished – ie €35 per week for Fork Lift duties at the dept of social welfare – WTF is a fork lift doing there in the first place?!!!!

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  • Let’s face it, there’s nothing right or correct about using state funds to undermine the proper function of the state …in the way that Wallace wants to do with his TD’s salary and in the way these guys do with their expenses.

    This is so fundamental to functioning civil society that it shouldn’t require an explicit rule for anyone to grasp that. Their inability to comprehend this makes them unsuitable representatives of the people.

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  • im not afan of joe higgins but at least hes publicly grafting for his expenses, in the policies he got elected for,unlike sum of the others with there unvouched for expenses

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  • the costitution Sect 15 pg15 states that allowances are payable to Td,s in respect of there duties also the provision of free travel and such other facilities as may be required.
    there is no provision in the constitution for any other payments to Tds
    they are only entitled to an allowance and payment of this while in attendance.
    there is no provision for any other payments in the constition of
    salary pensions holiday pay or the payment to political parties of allowances only tds or senators are allowed claim allowances

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  • Can the average worker claim mileage allowance ? Apparently if I was a Td doing the same mileage as i do to get to work i would be entitled to 33,000 euro in expenses.. I worked out that it costs me approx 5,000 euro in fuel…How can Td’s get this much…the whole system is rotten ..

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  • I have to admit I’m very confused as to why this is a “controversy”.
    The ULA’s mandate **is** to object, to protest, to be a pain. I’d imagine their voters elected them to do exactly that – so what’s the problem?
    Is a travel expense not for traveling?

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  • Lol at the first handful of comments that make all the mindless populist points criticised in the article. Did any of ye actually read it?

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  • Don’t they look like the old guys in the Muppets?

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  • Far from private jets do labour and FG have any idea how far they have fallen. This is just bullying pure and simple.

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  • steve 12/12/12 #

    Sadly, regardless of party, it seems that TD’s just can’t help themselves, helping themselves.

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  • That’s so mean what a rotten photo of Claire daly, bad enough lies and spin but bad photos a step too far

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