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Dublin: 13 °C Tuesday 21 May, 2013

Column: What is it about North-South relations that leaves us cold?

Dialogue between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic seems limited to transport and tourism, writes David McCann, and the general public is disinterested. So what to do to bring us closer together?

David McCann

WHAT IS IT about co-operation between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic that inspires such little interest from the media and the general public? The Friday of last week saw a meeting between Taoiseach, Enda Kenny and First Minister, Peter Robinson, in Dublin with important issues like NAMA and the economic crisis being discussed. Yet strangely this meeting went almost uncovered by the media and without much interest from the general public.

In years gone by, meetings between Northern and Southern leaders received wide coverage and interest on both the symbolism of the two heads of government coming together and the issues they discussed.

So my question is: what’s changed over the past decade?

The lack of interest could possibly stem from the general ‘normalisation’ of relations between Northern and Southern Ireland. Gone are days when Northern Prime Minister, James Craig, met the Irish leader, WT Cosgrave, in 1926 to discuss the Boundary Commission which was set up to redraw the border. Also gone is the symbolism of such meetings, the day when Seán Lemass made a shock visit to Stormont to meet Terence O’Neill in 1965 after forty years of political hostilities between both states shocked not only the general public but also senior political figures.

Of course, more recently in 2007 we saw Ian Paisley publicly embrace Bertie Ahern in Dublin as not just his counterpart but as his friend. It should be remembered that this is the same Ian Paisley who threw snowballs at Taoiseach, Jack Lynch, as he met with Terence O’Neill in Stormont in 1967 and was a driving force in opposing the establishment of a Council of Ireland in 1974.

Clearly co-operation is not the political hot potato it once was as Paisley’s successor Peter Robinson has continued with this approach, advocating recently in his Carson lecture for a better relationship with the Irish Republic. Is this because when the Taoiseach and First Minister meet that they stay away from controversial issues? Well, I don’t think so as previous meetings like the O’Neill/Lemass summit went to great lengths to highlight the fact that their discussions were exclusively focused on economic issues like tourism and trade.

“Have we really just lost interest in one another both politically and socially?”

Could it be something more fundamental? Have we really just lost interest in one another both politically and socially?

A case in point is the recent referendum on the Fiscal Compact Treaty. A vote of immense economic importance to Northern Ireland as 75 per cent of exports from small and medium-sized businesses and 10 per cent of exports overall go to the Republic. Yet the average citizen in Northern Ireland could be forgiven for thinking that the referendum never happened at all with the minor levels of coverage that it received.

The lack of interest is also apparent in the Republic too as Enda Kenny reneged on a commitment he gave to provide funds for a cross-border road project with minimal political fallout and little interest from the public. Despite the economic downturn, Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic are coming closer economically as NAMA is now the biggest owner of property in Northern Ireland and businesses along the border are now enjoying an economic boom as an estimated one in six households in the Republic shop in the North.

So has North-South co-operation failed to move with the times? Is it too focused on old issues such as transport and tourism? Should we adopt a new narrative for relations between North and South as being one of shopping bags and property ladders?

“Relations between our two states should not be limited to day trips to Newry and ghost estates off the M1″

I hope not. Cross-border co-operation certainly does need a makeover – that means that in 2012 we should not limit important relations between our two states to day trips to Newry and ghost estates off the M1. Why is North-South co-operation not relevant to the general public anymore? Because the process surrounding it is distant and disengaged from the people, instead of holding ministerial summits both Enda Kenny and Peter Robinson could do well to invite important stake holders in our society to see where co-operation between the two governments could improve conditions on the island.

Neither Northern Ireland nor the Irish Republic should seek to live in isolation from one another. We should never forget that while both states take pride in their distinctive identities, a great strength is the international affiliations of which we are members namely the European Union and United Nations. If the financial crisis has taught us anything it’s that we are not isolated from one another as an election in Greece can have far-reaching consequences on life here in Ireland.

We should always take an active interest in the affairs of Northern and Southern Ireland and hope that our political leaders can co-operate effectively in mitigating the impact of the economic crisis.

David McCann is a PhD researcher in Irish politics at the University of Ulster.

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Comments (31 Comments)

  • I’m a Southerner living and studying at postgraduate level in the North. I love the place. Queen’s is very proactive and much more student friendly than Trinity. I’ve been on placement in West Belfast at the flashpoints: the people have suffered a lot but the majority are decent and friendly. Cost of living is much cheaper, I feel safe walking the streets and would never describe the place as a cesspit. Bigotry still exists but it is becoming more diluted and the people up here deserve a chance. Shame on those who discount the place out of ignorance and media stereotypes.

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  • I’ve never taken the Cork/Dublin thing seriously.It’s incomparable to the hostility expressed by some Unionists towards us.

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  • I am in awe of some of the ignorance displayed in some of the comments here.

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    • RG Cuan 25/06/12 #

      I’m with you with that one David. Most of the above commentors have obviously never really been to the northern part of their own island or else want to adhere to some crazy, out-dated stereotypes about what life is like there.

      Get real folks, it’s 2012.

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  • I think a large part of the problem with the north is that a lot of the smarter more ambitious people get the hell out of there first chance they get and have done so for most of the last 25 years.

    Depending on what side of the divide they come from they either head down South or to the UK/Scotland or further afield.

    Also there is a huge sense of entitlement in both communities as a result of the British government effectively throwing truckloads of money at the North in order for their to be “peace”.

    It would be fun to see Northern Ireland as an independent entity paying it’s own way as opposed to leaching off the British taxpayers.

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  • I can’t honestly remember ever hearing of any anti Cork sentiment in my whole 30 years living in Dublin.It’s a rivalry that Dublin people don’t care about.

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  • I have been up to Belfast half a dozen times, I have alway,s found the people pleasant and more easy going somehow, there is not the pushing and shoving we tolerate down here and one can actually drive through town without having a panic attack….

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  • If you want one viewpoint, and it’s just mine, I’ve lost whatever bit of interest I ever had in this. As I see it, the butchery has reduced, there is a pretense at normal governance in the North, some stuff about cross border cooperation is always going on in the background. That’s where we are.

    Still, ‘up there’ is a place where there are walls between neighborhoods, where vigilantes blow the kneecaps off kids or chase them from their homes after kangaroo courts, where there are ‘two communities’, where bigotry still flourishes. Yeah, I’ve been there, many times, now and in the past. some really beautiful places and I like lots of the people I know there, but it always feels like a different, even foreign, place, it doesn’t feel like the Ireland I live in, or want to live it.

    I have a certain interest in the UK political system, but the NI politcal system is just so weird and false that I can’t see the slighted possibility of mustering an interest in it.

    And, finally, Northern Ireland television is such complete unmitigated shite it would put you off the place all by itself.

    Come to me red thumbs.

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    • Good summary, Katie. I wish Norn Iron all the best but I wouldn’t live there in a fit for the reasons you mention.

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    • @Katie,

      I agree with you on many things. I myself, being from the South, feel that the politics, and political people are very different to the South. As much as I love going to the North, I find, wherever I go they are as friendly if not more than people in the South. Maybe it depends on where I have been in the North, I don’t know. But I feel they are very different inside, different dreams, ideas.

      As much as there is some peace there, T.G. I feel that there is and will be some kind of rumbling, tremors underneath. They’ll be there for many, many years to come. Some things don’t change overnight, and can’t when there’s so much history. But as long as the ‘old generation, old politicians, politics’ are there not much will change.

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    • mcbab 24/06/12 #

      Well said Katie. Not a place I would wish to make a return visit to either. We don’t get them and they don’t get us. Simple as.

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    • To all who say they don’t get the Irish from the North, please tell me what country do you guys live in? its definitely not Ireland.
      The same commenters like McBab, Byrne, never miss a thread about the North, yet they claim to not want anything to do with it… somethings stinks on this thread imo.

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  • I dunno what y’all are smokin. I’ve never felt like I was in another country in the north. There’s certainly some characteristics that are unique to the north but every region has those. I’ve certainly not seen a difference between, say, a Cavan man and a Fermanagh man.

    I will say that northern working class Catholics that I’ve met have been more anti-authoritarian than most people south of the border but not significantly more so than inner-city Dubs or Limerickians (I’ll call them what I like). Also, working class Loyalism seems to be stuck in the worst days of the past. That’s probably because it was the working classes that bore the brunt of the violence. That has to have an affect. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a difference between the crowd at Ravenhill and their RDS counterparts apart from the accent.

    I think the reason for the apathy is that it’s not a big deal anymore – which is a good thing. If some future Taoiseach tried to make some kinda play out of meeting the First Minister he’d be laughed out of the Dail. We should all be thankful to the likes of O’Neill & Lemass for that.

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  • Funnily enough, down here in the Peoples Republic of Cork we feel the same way about Dublin!

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  • Im living in donegal. Ireland does’nt stop at the border. Its an artificial border, dont forget.

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  • Same as that Peter..

    Some Cork people seem to spend their time foaming at the mouth about Dublin; while Dublin people simply get on with life and don’t give Cork people a second thought!

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  • Sam 24/06/12 #

    How can you say that? There are many people up there who consider themselves Irish. How would the people in Munster feel if you said you would vote in favour tho physically detach Munster from the rest of Ireland.

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  • All Republicans must be out enjoying the weather because it stinks of partitionist Free Staters in here….

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  • And if Britain could be detached from its rock foundation, they’d float it over to Canada.

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  • Substitute all references to Northern Ireland with men and replace all mention of Ian Paisley with Mr Big and suddenly this reads like a piece by Carrie Bradshaw.

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  • The 26 counties is the Republic of Ireland not the Irish Republic there is a difference ……..

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    • yeah … I always wondered why a some northerners and the BBC in particular constantly use “Irish Republic” when everyone from the state in question says “Republic of Ireland”. Maybe its my inner-Gaeilgeoir demanding that “Poblacht na hÉireann” be translated directly, but “Irish Republic” sounds odd to me. I also found this interesting wiki page on the historical connotation of the name.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republic
      then again my English-speaking side tells me:
      “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet”
      :)

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    • They’re equally incorrect. The name of this state in English is “Ireland”, it says so in Article 4 of the Constitution

      “The Republic of Ireland” is a soccer team and nothing else, thought I suppose it could be a description of the state.

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  • Parish pump ignorance………

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  • Northern Ireland is a different country they do things differently there.

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