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Column: Yes, gender quotas are controversial – but politics is not a level playing pitch

It will take around 370 years for Ireland to reach a 50:50 gender balance in politics – so gender quotas make sense, argue Claire McGing and Fiona Buckley.

Claire McGing

Claire McGing and Fiona Buckley argue that critics of gender quotas often ignore the basic facts – and that once women are on the ballot, it will be up to voters to decide.

JUST BEFORE THE Dáil broke up for Christmas, the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Phil Hogan, published new legislation which obliges political parties to implement an electoral ‘gender’ quota.

The Electoral (Amendment) Political Funding Bill 2011 specifies that at least 30 per cent of a party’s list of election candidates must be women. If not, the party’s state funding will be cut by half. The quota will apply only to general elections and it is proposed that the threshold will rise to 40 per cent over time.

Ireland’s record in terms of women’s political representation is an abysmal one. Only 91 women have been elected to Dáil Éireann since 1918. Of the total 4,744 Dáil seats filled since the 1918 elections, only 260 (5 per cent) have been occupied by women. The election of 25 women to Dáil Éireann in February represents a new record high in terms of the number of women elected at a general election in Ireland. However, with just over 15 per cent women’s representation in its lower house, Ireland occupies 77th position out of 133 nation-states in the Inter-Parliamentary Union rankings.

Electoral gender quotas are considered a legitimate equal opportunity measure and are currently in use in more than one hundred countries worldwide. Gender quotas function as a kick-start in the process of getting more women elected to parliament and act as a compensation for structural barriers that prevent fair competition. Seventeen of the top 20 countries for women’s representation have quotas in place or have recently operated quotas. The UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) has continually criticised Ireland for its low representation of women in elected office and has recommended that gender quotas are introduced to increase the number of women in public life.

Quotas are highly controversial and stimulate a considerable amount of debate wherever they are adopted. Analysis of the gender quota discourse in Ireland and elsewhere reveals that resistance to quotas derives from the liberal concepts of individualism and meritocracy. Objectors consider quotas to be a form of discrimination, and a violation of the principles of fairness, competence and equality of opportunities. Others believe that quotas will lead to the selection and election of ‘unqualified’ individuals who are in politics based solely on their biological sex rather than ability. Liberal opponents suggest representation should be about representing ideas, not social categories.

‘Many candidates have forms of advantage which are considered normal and rarely questioned…’

Merit and ability arguments assume naively that all election candidates make it into politics ‘on their own’. Many candidates experience forms of advantage, whether it is family connections, large personal resources, favour by the party leadership, or, as is specific to Ireland, strong local profile due to GAA connections. These forms of advantage are considered normal and are rarely questioned.

Politics is not a level-playing pitch. Research has identified gendered barriers, such as childcare, that prevent fair competition for political office. The CSO 2010 Women and Men in Ireland Report found that half a million women in 2010 were looking after home/family compared with only 7500 men. The same report showed that employment rates amongst men and women were more or less the same before having children. However 80.2 per cent of men whose youngest child is 3 or under are in employment. The corresponding figure for women is 56 per cent.

Advocates argue that electoral gender quotas are a compensation for the structural barriers that women face when entering politics. Political research demonstrates that the key resources required to nurture a local electoral base are funds, time and networks. Given the continuing bias in favour of traditional gender roles, the simple fact is that Irish men are more likely to possess these types of capital than women. Without a fundamental overhaul of the sexual division of society, this will continue to be the case.

‘Women are members of political parties – but are less likely to rise up from membership ranks to the ballot paper’

Contrary to what some believe, women are present in the local echelons of political parties, accounting for 42 per cent of the membership of Fine Gael, 37 per cent of Labour, 34 per cent of Fianna Fáil and 25 per cent of Sinn Féin. These figures illustrate that women are less likely than men to rise up from the membership ranks to the ballot paper. The gender gap is particularly large for Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil, who each ran 15 per cent female candidates in the 2011 election.

Research undertaken with party women reveals a vicious circle of supply and demand barriers: women are less likely to contest selection conventions because they believe they lack the local support base required due to the reasons mentioned above, but they are also less likely to be approached to run by party selectorates when an electoral opportunity opens up. Of the 18 candidates added to tickets by Fine Gael HQ following selection conventions for the 2011 election, only two of these were women. Two of the eight candidates added by the Labour Party were female.

Some question why candidate quotas must come through the law as opposed to individual parties voluntarily taking it upon themselves to balance their tickets by gender. Irish parties have in fact experimented with ‘soft’ measures over the past two decades, to minimal or no success. Fianna Fáil aimed to have 20 per cent women candidates in the 2007 general election, but ended up running just 13 per cent. Fine Gael also set a target to have between eight and ten women TDs elected in that election, but just five women won seats in the end. The Labour Party come the closest to meeting their targets and this is in part due to the presence of a strong and supportive women’s structure in the party. 27 per cent of their candidates in the 2011 general election were female and they would have achieved their 30 per cent target had they run just two more. With a legislative ‘push’, the incentive to select more women just isn’t there at present.

‘Once women are on the ballot it will be up to voters to decide’

The Scandinavian experience shows that voluntary measures require a strong level of commitment from party elites and members to work successfully, along with the provision of resources to allow constituency organisations to recruit and train female candidates. This has not been the case in Ireland. Of the €5.5 million parties drew down from the Exchequer in 2010 under the 1997 Electoral Act, just 1.8 per cent was spent on measures to promote the participation of women.

If let to its own devices, it will take approximately 370 years for Ireland to reach a 50:50 gender balance in politics. If passed, this gender quota legislation will help to shock the system and ensure that more women can overcome the highly gendered, localistic barriers they face. Once women are on the ballot, it will be up to voters to decide.

Fiona Buckley is a lecturer in the Department of Government, University College Cork. Claire McGing is a Government of Ireland IRCHSS scholar in the Department of Geography, NUI Maynooth. They recently contributed a chapter on the role of women in the 2011 general election to How Ireland Voted 2011, which was edited by Michael Marsh and Michael Gallagher and published by Palgrave Macmillan. Both are members of The 50/50 Group, a single issue national advocacy group dedicated to achieving equal representation in Irish politics.

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Comments (114 Comments)

  • It’s wrong to even mention childcare as an issue, while fathers are still treated so unfairly compared to mothers.
    Equality is not equality when one sex is more equal than the other, and suggesting that women and discriminated against because of taking time for childcare is absurd: men don’t have the statutory right to take the same (protected) time as women.

    It makes perfect sense for the woman to do it, because the man *can’t*

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    • Good point Daniel. I agree.

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    • Agree, this should be fixed. Maternity leave should be flexible and transferrable to partner. Costs absolutely nothing to do this and it would make a huge difference.

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    • I do not understand this comment …..” Maternity leave should be flexible and transferrable to partner. Costs absolutely nothing to do this and it would make a huge difference.”
      I thought Mat leave was given to a woman to hèlp her convalece after the pregnancy and childbirth/ labor… Pat leave is available to men who wish to assist the woman and help bond with the child…… Why would a man want his partners mat leave ???

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    • Eileen, it should be flexible because not everyone has the same circumstances.. I was perfectly recovered from childbirth in 6 weeks, and ready mentally and physically to go back to work. I found it very isolating and difficult at home alone with an infant all day, as it was so different from what i normally do. I was not fully paid by my employer, whereas in my husbands place of work they do full pay for the leave. What would have been great for us, would be if I could have taken the first three months, and my husband taken the second 3 months. He would have loved to have more time with the baby. Or even two and three days a week each would have worked for us.

      In cases where women are either self employed, or in public life (like a TD) they often take minimum mat leave, i know women who went back to work 2 or three weeks after the birth. As the partner cannot take the leave, it puts them in an awful position, as they would prefer the child to be cared for by A parent. This puts women planning children completly off being a TD.

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    • Good for you ,but I do not think you should try and legislate for minorities . I believe Mat leave is now 26 weeks . This was long sought after , in my day it was 10 weeks .To make mat leave transferrable is a nonsense as is making it flexible .

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    • There is nothing worse than a woman trying to be a man and denying her feminine abilities .

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    • Tying to be a man? Wtf? Becoming a TD is hardly wanting to be a man. What a sexist comment.

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    • Eileen, also, might want to check what proportion of women earn more than their partners these days. With the construction industry decimation, there are more women working than men. Not the minority by a long shot.

      And 26 weeks is miniscule in comparison to the rest of europe.

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    • I always earned more than my partner and yet I would not feel obliged to ever have given him half of my Mat leave…Why should you feel the need to do this . Life is too short . I loved my job and loved becoming a mother ,,, You have twisted my words nothing new there, of course women should be politicians , if that is what they want to do. But women should not try to be men , and men do not get mat leave . They can get pat leave.

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    • P Wurple
      I always earned more than my partner and yet I would not feel obliged to ever have given him half of my Mat leave…Why should you feel the need to do this . Life is too short . I loved my job and loved becoming a mother ,,, You have twisted my words nothing new there, of course women should be politicians , if that is what they want to do. But women should not try to be men , and men do not get mat leave . They can get pat leave.

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    • I honestly do not understand what you mean by saying trying to be a man. Being a public representative is not being a man. And i can’t even grasp where you think i suggested being “obliged” to give away leave. That is the opposite of what I am suggesting. I want to remove the obligation, and insert some options. I am suggesting we get a CHOICE as parents on how to divide the leave ourselves. Every family is different, as is every child. The inability to let a childs father be a parent to their own children is currently a barrier to women entering politics. Instead of ridiculous quotas, why not just remove the largest barriers. Childcare issues and and inflexible maternity/Paternity are the top hindrances in all studies.

      Why are you against the option to transfer leave? It removes no entitlement from women. It is revenue neutral, costs nothing extra, and adds choice. Women can use the whole lot if they prefer. It is just some added flexibility. What is the downside?

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    • P, I think it’s clear that Eileen doesn’t want to give men the option of being equal, and getting additional (statutory) leave, as she, as a woman, is ‘entitled’ to that leave for going through 9 months of carrying as well as the delivery.

      If it were an *option* to share the leave between both parents, she may end up feeling pressured into ‘giving’ some of *her* time off to her partner.

      That, I feel, is her actual problem.

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    • Again P wurple
      you are choosing to twist my words so WHATEVER ! …..
      Daniel Hunt , apply for Paternity leave other wise grow a uterus carry a bowling ball and deliver it as a baby,., and then have half the Mat leave . Oh and you know nothing of me Daniel . I have my family and I am finished with all that .. ! I do think tho that your problem is that you as a man do not get time off work as you see it to do nothing but hang around and play with a baby …… or go shopping . As I said grow a uterus and deliver a baby feed it dress it . Men cannot be Mothers but they can decide to be men and support the mother of their children.

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    • Ah, so I hit the nail on the head it would seem.

      I think it’s crystal clear that your entitled attitude towards maternity leave means that you, in no uncertain terms, don’t believe that parental leave would be beneficial (for either of the parents or the child itself), because only a woman could possibly understand.
      Despite your attempt to turn my argument on myself, I think your words paint a much more detailed picture of your own motives. I absolutely do not wish to simply have some time off to have a bit of a break from work. That, it would appear, is precisely what you want. (All to yourself)

      I believe that the leave ‘entitlements’ should be equal, because without it, the law is unjustly favouring a woman simply because she is a woman. And, in anticipation of your next statement: Of *course* men and women are treated differently – they ARE different. But while I would be happy to accept a system that slightly weighs leave in the favour of the woman (in order to allow for actual, physical healing after giving birth), the current situation is a joke.

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    • Daniel Hunt
      As I have alraedy said I have my family and I worked through to when some of my childfren went to college . The most Mat leave I ever received was 10 weeks , 1o weeks, 14 weeks and then 16 weeks . Yes women are entitled to their Maternity leave and Parental leave if they wish . Men can also have parental leave just the same . This however is totally off point re Women in politics .
      Women are as able as men for politics but introducing a quota is not a good idea as it insults the intelligence of the voters , the candidates and does away with fair competition . THe right person for the job is what counts. It is for this reason that it is usually older women you see in politics as women (generally) do not want to ‘give up’ family time , child bearing or rearing . My opinion .

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    • Daniel Hunt .
      As you know nothing about me I will explain that I am all for equal rights ,parental leave , paternity leave included ,but I want men to be equal as men, and women equal as women. Not one gender trying or wanting to be the other. If I have given any other impression of my self then that is my inability to write…. I believe men and women to be equal in every thing except the obvious physical differences, and emotional differences . Just because they are different does not make either wrong . support and challenge each to their abilities, not take away . Leave women with their Maternity leave, fight for paternity leave , and better parental leave too job -sharing etc.

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  • Aydo 28/12/11 #

    Best person for the job is the best person for the job. Quotas are absurd.

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  • Should we have quotas for gay people too? How about quotas for black or asian people? Shouldn’t we really have quotas for men of under 5 feet with only one testicle? Why not have quotas for everybody! Then we can all take part!

    Equality campaigners are always hilarious: “I want more equality as long as it means better terms for the people I like best!!!”

    All this will do is ensure parties pick a quota of “poster girls” to ensure they get their funding instead of picking the best candidates.

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    • Whle you have a point the entire process ignores the fact that any party who currently selects more women can simply be cynical about it and pick a few losers. And the voters, even if really great candidates, can chose to be cycnical and vote against them. Most people don’t pick a candidate on the basis of gender alone, and there is no way of ensuring that the quality of candidates will be improved. They are pretty awful as they stand.

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  • Where does this 370 year figure come from? How is derived?

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  • Cheaper child care would be a natural way towards a gender balance. On the issue of quotas, are feminists pushing for 50% of sparkies & brickies to be women? How about quotas for men as primary school teachers and nurses. Are feminists just hand picking the areas they want equality? More paternity leave would encourage more men to be primary home carers. They have better laws for that in Scandinavia too!

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    • Cheaper child care would be a natural way towards a gender balance……. Another comment I do not understand !

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    • Eileen, i think point of the cheaper child care is that if both partners had a net income of 70k and childcare was cheaper then either/or could reduce their hours without a big reduction in net income where as the situation is at the moment that the lower incomed earner generally tends to leave due to it hardly being worthwhile working to pay for childcare.

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  • Maybe women just aren’t that interested in running for office? How many gay people are TDs? Or atheists? Should they not get quotas as well? So quotas have helped other countries have more women in office, that doesn’t mean the end justifies the means. 5 percent of enlisted personnel in the defence forces are women. It would be cool if there were more but only if it was because they wanted to be there and only if they were capable. How about quotas for male nurses? Or in other areas dominated by women?

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  • The women of Ireland are too smart for all the play acting that goes on in politics. Most of the woman in the Dail are like their male counterparts – unproductive. Women generally are high achieves but at a micro level which makes it possible for them to succeed at various jobs. Men on the other hand are generally power driven, big egos and need to win at the dick swinging competition which is our Dail. Lucy Creten fits right in.

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    • So we must resign ourselves to being governed by men and macho women? More of the same! Lord save us!!!

      I’m inclined to agree with you Frank tho. Only a tough old bird would be able for the utter lies and sh!te that goes on in there. I’m going off to search for my religion again. Only a higher power can save us now.

      [Throws hands up in despair at PC BS on this thread!] [Resigned to a good thumb bashing - just couldn't give a sh!t anymore]

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    • Ah yes. Now taking to attacking women who managed to get elected. I notice that your criticism was general and not specific.
      :)
      Reada don’t you think it is a generalisation to describe female politicians as macho or are you really that ignorant?

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    • I am really really sick of people denegrating my sex because of preconcieved notions of inferiority.

      Men DO have a mind DO a soul DO have equal thought for ‘the ‘people’ as women an ARE NOT inferior in any (let alone all) way that bigoted idiots like you decide to say.

      Think idiot, think.

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    • Conor. Who are you addressing? If you’re addressing me please read your own comment back to yourself switching the gender. Then read the first paragraph of this article. It’s only on the ballot paper. No one will force you to vote. I have debated this on almost every thread since this gender quota started and tbh I’ve had it to the back teeth. I will always speak up for anyone I feel is not represented, of either sex. Read some of the comments on this thread too for sexism and ask yourself why you decided to single me out as the idiot?

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    • Apologies reada. My comment was very directed at one person Frank25898459823 or whatever at the top of the thread. In my anger I didn’t specify.

      specifically ‘Men on the other hand are generally power driven, big egos and need to win at the dick swinging competition which is our Dail.’

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    • Apologies accepted Conor. I was a bit surprised as when your name comes up on the threads you’re never someone I tend to disagree with. It’s a rough thread always this one and I dont know why I continue to comment on it. Anyway its men like you that keep my spirits up and the reason why I will continue to keep the faith.

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  • This is a simplification of the matter. Gender issues need to be tackled at a ground level, which will lead to more women TDs in the future. It is much too easy to just introduce a quota and ignore the real issues here.

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  • Hey we need a gender balance for comments too. Too many male opinions on this post. We need a 50/50 balance otherwise all comments are invalid.

    God give me strength -

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  • “family connections, large personal resources..or GAA connections” “childcare” “funds, time and networks” I was going to comment on the whining tone of this piece and the poor me attitude but the title of the piece says it all…
    politics is not a level playing pitch. Get used to it.

    Politics is a tough, dirty and thankless job and if all you are worried about is your gender and “the bold boys are ganging up on me” then you will not last too long in it. Politics is about survival of the fittest and any women who are in politics have shown that they are up to the task and more than a match for their opponents, male or female. Parachuting in token candidates based on their gender demeans the work done by present and former political candidates who managed to get to where they are without anyone holding their hand. These quotas will only damage female representation because the next time voters go to the polls they will know that half the women on the ballot paper are there for no other reason than the fact that they are women.

    The point is made that after children are born that more women are in the home rather than employment. This comes across that women are shackled to the sink and burdened down by the children thrust upon them. Did it ever dawn on the authors and feminists that women might actually enjoy staying at home and minding their children? Maybe some women don’t need to be back to work 4 days after giving birth and leaving their children in childcare. Instead of working to pay someone else to mind their children perhaps some women might actually enjoy the experience of interacting with their child, playing with them and watching them grow up in front of their eyes rather than trudging off to work 9 to 5 everyday. The one good thing that a lot of my male unemployed friends tell me about being out of work is that they get to spend more time with their kids.

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    • true the only good comments I too hear from unemployed/retired friends is time with kids, they get up early make breakfast etc bring kids to school do house work, collect kids etc no more, no less than plenty of mothers but they enjoy time with the kids.

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  • Any proposal that makes provision for a less well qualified, or less popular (in terms of votes) candidate to gain advantage is plainly undemocratic. Undeniably so.

    There isn’t one genuine justification for gender quotas in this article. Some of the language used is ludicrous.. “Electoral gender quotas are considered a legitimate equal opportunity measure..” – considered by whom? And so what? That other countries apply a measure doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. “Politics is not a level-playing pitch” – so the solution is to introduce more inequity, and structure it officially?

    Rolling out statistics of women in the workplace, women put forward for electoral office, women who are members of political parties etc. justifies nothing. Democracy is at least partly about convincing people of your point of view. If a woman or a man wants to be elected, there are structures in place to facilitate that. If the structures aren’t good enough, make new party structures, or start a new party.

    It’s laughable that the article laments that the “soft” approaches taken by the political parties to address the gender imbalance were to “minimal or no success”, and a few lines later notes that the Labour party achieved close to their target of 30% women candidates, precisely by having a strong women’s structure within the party. Evidence that – if women wish to organise – then it can have an impact.

    The starting point here is a fallacy, though, in my opinion. The initial idea is that it’s necessary for there to be 50/50 representation of men and women in elected offices. Why is this the case? Why not 90/10, or 10/90? Why should sex be a criterion at all?

    Poorly conceived, and very poorly argued.

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  • Parochial politics is more of an issue the gender balance. A lot needs to be corrected in the political classes, a shake up forcing a new age of politicians can be a good thing. I’m all for encouraging both male and females to enter politics, I think both men and women want the same things, same as gay or straight black or white…again like said before. The ballot box decides in the end.

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    • The people should have the right to vote for who they want – whether that be parochial politics or men. Quotas of any kind are at odds with the will of the people and are wrong.

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    • I agree with Dublin City’s comments. In a democracy you must respect the decision of the electorate. If the electorate get it wrong (as I believe they did when voting FF) you must still respect their decision as to do otherwise would lead to a proposterous situation.

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    • And yet a pro gender bais has existed for men, but very few seem bothered by this. Which is worse quotas or discrimination. And discrimination has hampered women in Irish political life, but then that was the whole point of it.

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    • I think the point about the GAA shows just how ludicris this argument is. If someone is involved in the GAA should there be restrictions on them running for election?

      Women tend not to get involved in local issues and groups until after they have kids.

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  • The factors raised are accurate but these are not just male/female issues. What about a male candidate that lacks a GAA background or a female candidate that carries a dynastic family name? The quotas are a very blunt instrument that do little to tackle the underlying issues (correctly identified but effectively ignored). They may well create as many injustices as they claim to address.

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  • Women engaging in selective equality undermines everything about where we have come to

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  • Again, the advocates of quotas are all over the place with their arguments.

    First, they characterize opposition as coming from “concepts of individualism and meritocracy” and hint that these are bad things which will somehow disqualify women from entering parliament. Ehm? How, exactly?

    Then they assert that the childcare is a barrier to entry in politics and use irrelevant statistics from more usual employment types to make a spurious link with political access. Naughty.

    Then they assert that “a continuing bias to traditional gender roles” means that men have more “funds, time and networks” yet fail to notice that the Irish parliament is clearly dominated by a non-sex-specific group that has a surfeit of all these things. Teachers. Many people in other professions are greatly handicapped from entering politics, yet this special interest group isn’t interested in that problem.

    Also, interestingly, when I recently asked a pro-quota MEP why the specific issues that handicapped women couldn’t be addressed rather than introducing crude quotas, she said that it would be too expensive and difficult to identify the specific issues and that quotas were a cheap and easy fix. Yet, in this column we have advocates listing specific issues….all of which can be addressed without introducing legislative discrimination into our democracy.

    Then, we have the other little facts and questions.

    Why should the parties get state funding at all, whether or not their candidate lists are sex balanced?
    How long is this quota going to last? One election? Two? For ever?
    What happens if a party runs token candidates?
    If the problem is at party level then why was the proportion of women independents so low in the 2011 election?
    Since the 50/50 group often mentions how Ireland used to have a higher ranking in the female representative stakes 20 years ago and we didn’t have quotas then, why do we need quotas now?
    Instead of quotas, how about forming a political party? If women in politics is an issue so important to need quotas, why not offer the electorate a direct choice instead of forcing taxpayer funded back-room deals only visible to party elites?

    This is a cheap and nasty measure. Destructive to democracy. Protective of the existing parties. Ill advised and dangerous.

    Worse, it cements sexism as a valid basis for discrimination at a time when Ireland had almost got past it.

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  • Sharrow 29/12/11 #

    Yes gender quotas are imperfect, but we live in an imperfect world.
    I don’t like them, I don’t like the fact that we have to consider and implement them.
    Hopefully they will not be in use for long.

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  • Gender quotas are too simplistic – doesn’t mean they are not needed, along with a variety of other measures. I can’t imagine what is in the least bit controversial about gender quotas, apart from the fact that they level the playing field for women – and about time too. So they give a bais to women – a gender bais that already exists for men and that has aloud men to make huge inroads in political and every other arena in Irish life. I doubt they’ll solve the problem but even if they go 1% towards helping, we’ll be the better for it. In Ireland, true gender equality on all levels of society, the workforce, and politics has not yet reached an acceptable level, despite legislation that indicates the contrary – this discriminates against all people be they men or women.
    Up and until gender framing in the context of any issue is unnecessary, any measure that allows all issues in society to be brought to the fore is a bonus – out with the old and in with the new, etc, etc

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  • This is ridiculous. It’s a form of affirmative action that we saw in South Africa and look what a mess their civil service has descended into. Put somebody in the Job no matter how unqualified they are? Sorry, but I believe in the right person for the right job not some poster girl to assure funding.

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  • No matter how many times you argue for discrimination, it will still be wrong.

    No grey areas on this.

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  • Eric 28/12/11 #

    Another pro-quota opinion piece published by The Journal. It’s getting harder to treat the site as a news aggregator rather than an outlet with a particular stance when certain issues are given such one sided treatment. The article throws out a load of statistics, but makes no attempt whatsoever to analyse them, it simply draws conclusions from them, such as “Electoral gender quotas are considered a legitimate equal opportunity measure and are currently in use in more than one hundred countries worldwide” – by whom? which countries?”

    The article states and implies things without substantiating them, such as the use of the word “discrimination.” Are the Irish electorate actually discriminating at the ballot box? When they a woman’s face on the list of candidates, do they think to themselves “oh no! A woman!” – I don’t think so, so why use it? Why is a 50/50 representation a good thing? Will having more women in politics, by itself, make Irish politics better. I suspect not.

    The article uses the dreaded weasel words “Research shows” without providing any citations – poor form given the authors are academics.

    All of the issues that the article cites as obstacles to a successful career in politics for a woman can be fixed, individually, without needing to undermine democracy. For example, if looking after children is such an obstacle for women who want to enter politics, we might reduce the disparity between childcare leave provided for men and women, and allow men longer time to stay at home with their children, thereby providing women with more time to develop a political career.

    As has been asserted in other comments on this piece, quotas are dangerous and undemocratic, because once they start, where do they end? Why not subject political organisations to quotas for other minorities? Who decides which minority requires quotas to get started in politics? For all of the talk of equality, it’s a highly inequitable mechanism which works behind closed doors, out of the public eye.

    They also tokenise and demean the group they are supposed to help, by sending out the message that they are unable to organise by themselves.

    The other problem with quotas, of course, is that they themselves, are discrimination. Quota advocates want a minimum of 30 per cent of a party’s list of election candidates to be women. Let’s reframe that requirement – they want a MAXIMUM of 70% of a party’s election candidates to be men. This means that if a highly capable, intelligent man wants to put himself forward for candidacy, but his party haven’t yet met their quota, he just wont get selected. This scenario will harm Irish politics.

    The whole quota argument is predicated on the implication that women make better politicians than men, but female politicans are NOT immune from corruption and incompetence – look at Beverley Cooper Flynn and Mary “Calamity” Coughlan as examples – one helped people evade tax and sponged allowances off the state, the other was a walking PR disaster who referred to the Green party as “Na Glasrai” (the vegetables) and accused a cabinet member of sexism simply because he criticised her performance in her political role at the time.

    Sorry, but no, I just don’t see any merit in the quota argument.

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  • If women ran the world, there wouldn’t be any war. Nations would tease each other until they developed eating disorders.

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  • More dictatorial EC PC

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  • There are several arguments in favour of gender quotas in political parties’ candidate selections, but I struggle to find them in this article.

    It is unfortunately filled with straw men, sweeping statements and a host of other fallacies, though its authors’ greatest error is of hectoring their readers.

    A more representative Dáil is something I would dearly like to see, but articles like this will do that cause no good.

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  • I’ve said this before, possibly here – positive discrimination is still discrimination. Campaigners say there aren’t enough women in parliament, I would suggest there are not enough young people, not enough non-party people, not enough gay people, not enough pick-your-minority-group-of-choice people. Is there calls for quotas for these groups? No – but I have heard some people say that they should get more involved themselves. This is something I could get behind, an active push for more people of all groups to step forward to ensure that the parliament is representative, but it can’t be forced on us, it’s a good way to throw deomocracy out the window.

    I mean, if it’s the will of a particular cumann to run all women or all men or a mix of both, that’s their right as members of their party. If anyone disagrees with that decision then they can always change party or run as an independent, right?

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    • Paulo makes a good point – if women are foisted upon an already cynical electorate its quite possible that many people will simply give up on democracy. This cannot be a good thing. I do think that more practical support is needed – not merely chlidcare but simple respect for people’s life outside of work. I work in a field where a 60 and 80 hour week and 3 to 4 nights of on-call a week is taken as read, yet nobody wonders why its is almost exclusively male. Same thing goes for politics – the culture of ludicrous hours work and extras do not encourage anybody with any responsibilities to take on its world.

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  • I will refuse to vote for anyone who is only a candidate because of a quota – man or woman.

    The proportion of independent candidates was similar to party ones. More time should be spent encouraging women to enter politics than enforcing discriminatory selection processes.

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  • Ivana Bacik has run in several democratic elections and failed to get elected. However she has no problem running for the Seanad, which is obscenely undemocratic. Well educated taxpaying professionals like myself, who contribute greatly to society do not have a vote.

    And yet she will harp on about the fact that the electorate does not vote for women. It makes my blood boil.

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    • It’s not the fault of the electorate that some left-wing Trinity academic sitting up in her Ivory Tower can’t figure out why she can’t connect with the public beyond the TCD elite. I didn’t vote for her in the last election because I plain and simple don’t like Labour, for goodness sake that does not make me sexist. Insulted by her bullshit to be perfectly honest.

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  • Doesn’t matter. If you want to be a politician you automatically are not the right person for the job in the first place, regardless of gender

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  • The proposed gender quotas law is directly damaging to the potential for grassroots democracy as it gives party HQs a powerful new tool to overule local selection conventions and ensure that an increased number of candidates are selected centrally by small committees rather than locally by mass memberships. What we need is ordinary members of political parties deciding who should represent them, rather than be told from up on high who will representing them and that they may like it or lump it. Don’t get me wrong, people in Party HQs aren’t bad people, but in the case of candidate selection, the decision should rest with the party memberships. Therefore, ordinary members of all parties should be opposing this measure.

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  • As a protest I will only vote for men from now on.

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  • Will exclusionary politics against a gender in Ireland be used by other countries to justify their inane actions. Irish blasphemy legislation has been used as an excuse in Malayasia for some if its horrendous legislation.

    Every piece of good legislation is swamped by bigotry and intolerance, banning corporate donations would be sensible. Democratic education would be nice, but then we Irish rarely vote as we are told – first time at least.

    The end result is that this will be used as a bargaining chip with the National Women’s Council of Ireland et al. to secure FG with votes and campaign team volunteers for a fair few elections to come.

    So long and thanks for facade of democracy.

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  • The article below was written in tThe Irish Times – Monday, November 28, 2011 by Roisin Lawless

    There were 566 candidates fielded in the last general election. Only 86 were women. The average success rate for both men and women in that election was the same: 29%, which would indicate that there is no bias against female candidates among the Irish electorate.

    The candidate selection processes of political parties have been identified as posing a significant obstacle to the political participation of women (due to a prevailing masculine culture, perhaps?). In Fine Gael for example, 42% of the membership is female yet only 15% of candidates fielded in election 2011 were women.

    It is now time that political parties field candidates who are reflective of the electorate they will represent. Our public representatives exist to represent the people. Women make up 50% of the population but have never made up more than 14% of TDs.

    It may take decades before all social, cultural and political barriers preventing equal representation of women are tackled. Quotas can “kick-start” the process of getting more women elected to the Dáil.

    As Garret FitzGerald said, “Our party system, lacking significant female input, is bound to be incomplete and defective”. – Yours, etc,

    RÓISÍN LAWLESS, Áth Buí, Co na Mí.

    The information speaks for itself and no what the reason for the problem, it still remains a problem that needs a solution. I hope gender quotas go someway towards addressing it. We’ll have to wait and see

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  • This piece bears a striking resemblance to a very recent opinion piece on the same topic by Senator Bacik who, of course, is in the front row of the very same (or a very similar) photo that was used to illustrate her offering. Is Journal.ie going to bludgeon its readers into submission Nice/Lisbon style?

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  • It’s wrong to suggest that this quota on candidates will have no influence on the outcome of elections. That’s the exact purpose of this leglislation. If it made no difference in the Dáil’s gender balance then it wouldn’t go ahead!

    Attempts to get women involved in politics should not be gender specific. The approach should be on family friendliness. That could involve things like changing the Dáil sitting times to more sociable hours.

    We should also look at chaning our constituency based electoral system to one that includes politicians elected from parties or by national lists. That way you remove much of the parish-pump politics that has TDs running around their constituencies 24/7.

    Say what you want about Ivana Bacik but the reason she can be a politician, lecturer AND still have a decent family life is partly because her legislative role is only around national politics. Local politics needs to be strengthened with more power to the councils and national politics needs to do what it says on the tin.

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  • Gender quotas are necessary, initially, but as women gradually establish themselves, the need for these quotas will diminish. Women just need that initial leg up on the ladder.

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    • E 28/12/11 #

      I agree with you that more women need to be encouraged to enter politics, I just not convinced that a quota system is the right way to go. I don’t want someone on the Ballot Paper because they are a women, I want her on the Paper because she is the candidate that a particular Party could field.
      In regards to some of the points raised in the Article, correlation does not equal causation. Just because ‘X’ is happening/not happening does not mean that it is because ‘Y’ and ‘Z’. Need to look at the fundamental reasons why more women are not continuing in Political career and help support women in this career. Do the authors not realise that any ‘sane’ individual would not enter politics given the working hours, late sittings, evening sessions, etc. Change these and it may encourage more women AND men to get actively involved in Politics. Who is to say that the many men in the Dail now would not like to be at home with their kids rather than sitting in a late night ‘debate’?

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    • I wonder how many young women give up their nights doing leaflet drops in winter, standing outside churches doing church gate collections, selling raffle tickets and organising pub quizes. Politics at local level isn’t glamourous and only women (and men) with a strong work ethic get through.

      I’m personal friends with some women politicians and no matter what anybody says, those who got elected did so on merit and hard work and not by whinging.

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    • Fair play Sean for entering the Neanderthal love-in room. Have to go – can’t breath…

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    • Calling men “neanderthals” now Réada? Oh what a surprise, the usual mouthbreather/knuckle-dragger/stupid males sexist slurs that are flung at men and are perfectly acceptable. Ironically enough, perfectly acceptable in an article that bemoans non-existent discrimination against women.

      I know feminists believe through some mental gymnastics that it is only possible for men to be sexist but I’m gonna violate that inviolable principle and call you sexist scum.

      [On a side-note, it's apparent from other comments on this site that you're religious and probably don't believe that humans are animals BUT a lot of humans (and particularly Europeans) are part Neanderthal, as in maybe 10-20%. Our ancestors interbred with the species like a lot of other animals interbreed. Using that slur is only insulting yourself really.]

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    • Muc Beag. I do not discriminate on whom I call Neanderthal. Plenty of females would fall into that category as well. Just so happens that very few joined this thread. Surprise! Surprise! But I was actually addressing Seán who I assume is of the male variety of the species, homosapien that is not Neanderthal. (A little hint there in the name.)

      And I may be a feminist but I’m a humanist first and foremost. My name will often crop up on gay right threads and threads where men may be discriminated against also, eg child custody, family law courts, etc. No problem with men at all.

      And you’re not that good in the memory stakes muc beag cos I’m not religious in the slightest. And I do believe humans are animals. Animals that can talk and write. A particularly dangerous strain.

      Excuse me. I must leave again. This time it’s the noise from the chest beating that’s giving me a headache.

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    • I am against quota s of this sort . They diminish peoples inteliigence . Émploy the right person for the job . Get the job done …

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    • Imagine for a few seconds (hope it doesn’t hurt muc) that this article was completely gender reversed… I’d be the one on here saying anything, ie temporary quota, to encourage more men into the Dáil in the hope of getting a bit more balance. Especially if the girls had been doing as good a job at it as the boys have… Hope the head survived that.

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    • You’ll notice Reada engages in name calling but never with the actual subject.

      Men tend to get involved in voluntary politics more at a local level. Women simply do not do church gate collections and pub quizes. Whinging women are the ones that no one will vote for. Also the most likely to want a gender quota as they can’t understand why whingers don’t have popular appeal.

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    • Eileen. You’d never tell Tom that my husband has advised me (not told, he’s an intelligent man) not to address Tom again. Not since he sent a sexist message to me via my Facebook page. Bit silly really. We should really be able to stick to the threads when trading insults, unless conversing with friends of course. Thanks Eileen.

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    • I’m going to quote T.H. Huxley here who, in the 1860 Oxford Debate on Darwin’s “Origin of Species” with the Anglican Bishop Samuel Wilbeforce, came out with the absolute cracker that I think is particularly relevant here – especially given Réada’s sexist slurs.

      In response to Bishop Wilbeforce’s question to Huxley, where he asked “Was it your grandfather or grandmother that you claim your descent from a monkey?”, Huxley quipped “I’d rather have a monkey as an ancestor that a reasonable man who would introduce ridicule into a debate”. Really rings true in this circumstance where “neanderthals”, “chest-beaters” etc are cropping up here and there.

      Réada claims it’s all OK though, because she considers some women to be “neanderthals” and “chest-beaters” too. So if I just throw some slurs like “sluts”, “whores”, “cumdumpsters”, “the lesser sex” around, it’d be absolved of all responsibility for offence taken because I consider members of both genders to fall into these categories. I think not. They have reputations of derogation which should be recognised and thus avoided.

      Re the roles being reversed – it doesn’t really change the logic as far as I can see behind the anti-quota argument. It’s still undemocratic. And in a pretty obvious sense that point is irrelevant anyway, as there’s a corresponding quota for men in this legislation. So it’s not just the evil neanderthals protecting the old boys’ club I’m afraid. It’s genuinely absurd.

      Finally, you seem to blame the late-2000’s Financial Crisis/European Debt Crisis on the fact that men were in the various national parliaments. I can see the correlation, but not the causation. I mean, a lot of them had grey hair but you wouldn’t blame that or introduce quotas to reduce the number of grey-haired parliamentarians would you? I can’t think of many bad things they did that only a man would’ve done, and which it would not be possible for a woman to do.

      I struggle to see why one’s gender matters nowadays, or why one should be favoured because of it. This is bad legislation.

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    • Reada
      I do not address Tom Neville either after the sexist and down right manipulative , sexist, argumentative things I have read that he has written on the Journal. I find his comments insulting .However he is of course entitled to his opinion. So I am not surprised that he has tried to challenge you privately . It seems that he thrives on intimidation and his long winded ,larger than life vocabulary, that basically i could not be doing with .

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    • I did send Reada a private FB message asking her to stop with in appropriate posts claiming I fancied her. I also said that I found her name calling childish and distasteful.

      And she retorts by…namecalling and not engaging with the subject matter.

      Kinda proves my point.

      Have a good New Year.

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    • I fully understand Eileen. You are wiser than I. I think I shall leave now too.

      Anything I have to say to my adversaries I say on the public thread. I am human and once made the mistake of assuming Tom had a sense of humour and tried to get rid of him one day he was pestering me re a Mick Wallace thread. He had a comment removed (funny that) which may make it difficult to follow the flow of the banter I didn’t however have any comment removed. Nor did I request to have any of my comments removed ever.

      I’m off now. Bye!

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    • :) So when I object to distasteful messages it’s because I don’t have a sense of humour. But when I defended the workers who got screwed by Mick Wallace it wss sexism??????

      Ah well, if gender equality brings such logic to the table it will be good for a laugh.

      :)

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    • Lol. I must confess that I did make mince meat of poor Reada when she claimed that Mick Wallace was right to screw both his workers and the taxpayer.

      I get the feeling this is an attempt at a get out of jail free card by Reada. Claim sexism when you lose and argument but claim humour when trying it in vain:)

      Now back to the subject matter. Gender quotas are undemocratic.

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  • I’m very impressed with the work Joyce Gagley is doing in the comments. It’s not easy to persuade most people to change their position on gender quotas in Irish politics I think.
    Hopefully we’ll get gender quotas in local government elections soon.
    I could put forward several reasons why I favour such change – but my bottom line is I have a young daughter & don’t want her to grow up in a society where the laws are made by men. I want her to experience laws as coming from men & women equally.
    Quotas disrupt the status quo. Quotas force the issue. Without quotas I feel sure change will happen at lichen pace.
    It’s good to see people debating this issue. Those like the 50:50 Group who are pressing for gender equality in Irish politics have an important job to do.

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  • Gay people are a minority. I dont know of any openly gay TDs (please correct me if I am wrong!). So will there be a LGBT quota too? What about the other groups with little/no Dail representation?

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    • Gay people, Catholic people, etc etc are all subsets of male and females. Women are not a subset of men, neither are they a minority group.

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    • I thought this quota is because there is a lack of women in politics/in the Dail. I don’t know of many LGBT TDs/Senators etc, so therefore the there is a lack of LGBT in politics/the Dail. Where’s a quota for the LGBT community?

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    • The Dail/Seanad*

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    • Both men and women can be LGBT so both groups can represent the veiws of LGBT – men in the main cannot be women, nor can women be men. By the very specific culture that exists in Ireland the experience of men and men, men and women, amd women and women are different – these all need to to reflected. Given that our population is about 50/50 – it is commonly posited that at least a 35/65 split, either way is needed, for all societal issues to be properly understood and addressed.

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    • Joyce, given that 51% of the electorate are women, isn’t your beef with women?
      Jack there’s one if not two openly gay tds (Dominic Hannigan) and another one at least whom everyone assumes is gay but people respect his right to keep his personal life personal.
      Dominic H got elected on merit, not on gay issues.

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    • No beef with anyone, the past can’t be changed only the future, as usuallty we are fairly slow in when in comes to implementing change and making progress.

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  • They should just allow women to be elected on lower quotas and be done with it.

    “These candidates can’t get elected in the normal way so let’s rig the election and have women elected on 30% quotas”.

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  • A few Obvious question from all of this: Whats wrong right now that needs fixing? Will having more women and improving the current gender balance change anything or make anything better? Does gender even matter when it comes to politics? they all operate under the same rules and system. This is not an issue that needs addressing right now in this country and is merely a distraction from the real matters of importance.

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    • Obvious answer to what is wrong; there is not enough of a gender mix in the political processes and because of this, a holistic approach is less likely to be taken when decision are being made, policies implemented, etc etc. This is thought to be due to the similiar life experiences of many male TDs. Womens issues are overlooked – it doesn’t mean they don’t need to be addressed, and women need to be at the very core of the decison making processes, along with men.
      This is an issue that has long needed addressing, we are meant to be a representative democracy but we are not, all we claim to be is therefore untrue, it seems to something that’s intriniscially linked to us as nation but what ever the reason, we are making little progress in this area.
      Men have done very well from the bias that existed towards them in Ireland, its time to level the playing field and hopefully in 20 or 30 years time, it will be a none issue.
      I have to wonder why people wouldn’t want women to have more power in the the political process; why womens unique life expericences are a deemed unnecessary ingredient in build a stronger society; and why the need to push women forward in this arena is being triviialised.

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    • If we’re looking for a holistic approach Joyce then the argument still stands by the reconing of gender quota advovates that all points of view should be represented by those who are a part of a group and are therefore more likely to understand and represent the points of view of a defined group. If we do this why not have quotas for all segments of society?
      To say that a man can not represent women’s interest is just as sexist as the assumption that only women can represent women’s interest. In assuming that women’s interest are a definitive thing you are also imposing your agenda (most likely a confused feminist one from what I’ve read) upon other people who may not agree with you.
      Men can represent women just as well as women can represent men, I reject the idea that women or men for that matter have one set defined identity which is shared by all of them equally. Men and women can sometimes view the world different of course, but to define all men and all women in one broad category is not only sexist but also the opposite of what feminism is supposed to be represent.

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    • Women are not a segment of society, they are part of a set and all other groups are subsets of the main set. A person has to be a man or women to be part of a minority groups The arguement that left handed people, gay people, etc are as entitled to quotas as women is a nonsense thats not to say they should be excluded – but its as ridiculous as saying we should turn the present system on its head and have in and around 88% women and 12 % men – the preception among men would be that they are being undervalued if such a thing happened and that would be true .. James like you, I too feel that if a person is a good politican then their gender shouldn’t be an issue, but we can’t ignore the fact that women have been consistently excluded from entering politics for numerous reasons and this exclusion needs to be addressed. Most politcal parties were set up by men ( becasue they contolled the finances) for men and dealt with issues that were important male issues. Social issues were handed over to the church. The fact is women and men in our society wanted the gender exclusion issue addressed. The very fact that the debate is allowing people to think about the wider issues, is in my opinion, a sign that we are moving way from the corrupt old boys network, which has hindered all people who wish to enter politics in Ireland – but it is a slow process – change has to start somewhere, it makes sense that given our history, it should start with gender qoutas – its just a pity it ever had to come to this – but men ( a certain type of men of course) controlled this issue and they didn’t push the issue forwarded, example; Art 41.1.1 and .2 hasn’t even been amended yet, the majority of Irish people aren’t even aware of it. Hopefully we moving forward towards social inclusion for all people within the political sphere irregardless of their sex, connections, financial situation, etc.
      I reject the idea that there is a defined set standard for both sexes, but I do think that a life in politics limits the knowledge of the majority of politicans who are middle aged or older, well heeled , white male politicans; this means we (both men and women) can’ never ever be represented properly.
      I reject the notion that male politicans have represented women in Ireland simply becasue that facts prove that they haven’t, on the other hand I don’t think the type women who have been brought into the political fold are in the main any better at representing women either. We need cultural change and it will be hard, but it will happen because many men and women want their government to be a mirror image of the people who make up their society – that is men and women – not a majority of men and a handful of women.
      Political parties control who gets on the party ticket, because these parties are made up mainly of men, not that many men, women and men who are not part of the clique find it virtually impossible to move up through the ranks. There are so many restrictions that exist to stop people getting into politics – hopefully ( although no way definitely) this may start to change – gender quotas will hopefully just the start of the change

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  • Fiona,
    Im interested in this idea of a lot needed to be changed or “corrected in the political classes”. We are all entitled to vote, in spite of our gender or social class, and we are all entitled to run, in spite of our gender or social class, so what does the “political classes” refer to in your opinion?
    P.

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  • This gender quota nonsense is nothing but a loud minority trying to impose its will upon the rest of the populace. And yes, I say minority because the majority of people (both men and women alike) think this is absurd. It’s an affront to common sense.

    Serious question for The Journal – how many anti-quota columns have you published? I’ve seen several pro-quota ones, but I struggle to think of any of the anti-quota agenda.

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    • In fairness, they had a very good anti-quota article by Joanna Tuffy TD.

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    • I decided to comment this first and read up through the comments afterwards – at which time I saw yours. In fairness though, one hardly balances the (at least) four that I’ve seen.

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    • The silent minority have ensured the women in Ireland have fallen far behind their counterparts in the World in regards to political representation. Barring women was indirectly achieved through many means – political parties control the nominations; the voters only get to decide who gets elected, and plotica parties were of course, (and still are to some extent) an old boys network. The Catholic church through its female subservientt teachings played no small part in holding back women and in particular social issues surronding the rights of women.
      Women’s experiences are needed in political life and thats really the crux of the issue – the experience of both sexes must be understood and reflected in our social contract, only then can we have a chance true democratic representation, that tackles all the problems in our society.

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  • I believe that the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government Phil Hogan urgently needs to address via new legislation the additional scourges on Irish society of the representation of different races, religions, ages, hair colour and heights in both houses of parliament. I believe that legislation is urgently required obliging political parties to implement an electoral quota on race, religious affiliation, educational profile, age profile, sexuality, as well as sex so that our houses of parliament are truly representative of the people. Lets face it, a bald Catholic man of 4 foot 5 in his 30s with fetac level 7 qualifications or a ginger Protestant woman in her 50s with a level 10 fetac qualification cannot possibly represent me as a 6 foot 2, brown haired, catholic (born), fetac level nine qualified, man. Who cares what the person looks like, is or isn’t, surely the only issue is will represent the voices of the people they hear from and will they guided by good advice and conscience. What is so different about being a politician? Shouldn’t we therefore have the same gender quotas in ALL jobs? And if we should have gender quotas then why not other types of quota? How many single TDs do we have versus married? How many Protestants, Jews, Muslims as opposed to Catholics? How many of those who claim they are religious even go to church/place of worship? I find it offensive to suggest that as a male, only a male TD could represent my opinions/beliefs in the Dail, I am more than my gender.

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  • Seems to me the problem is not the system but the established political parties, in this case why don’t women just set up their own party which they can then use to represent the issues they feel are important to them? If I voted or was involved with a political party which I felt did not,could not or refused to change or adopt its policies to suit my point of view I would not be involved in it anymore and would be inclined to try and join a party that reflected my personal beliefs more accurately or if this was not available and I found others who shared my concers about an issue which was not being represented by the parties that currently existed I might seek to set up my own party. Women are 50% of the electorate if they so choose and if their points of view are understood and shared by even a minority of the female population then they could easily establish such a political movement or party to influence policy.
    This smacks of taking the easy road to a position that women must work to achieve and not be handed on a plate, otherwise the merit of an results of a quota system will be in question as inferior and not deserved. Handing electoral placed on the ballot without equal merit to male candidates.gender quotas are sexist against men and women as they assume that women are inferior and unable to get to such a position without the assistance of a set of rules which unfairly advantage then and disadvantage men.
    Women just as men are, much as you deny it, a segment of society. But to say that all women can or should be represented by only women is once more a sexist assumption. Just as male TD’s do not represent only males, sitting women TD’s do not represent only females. Ones identiy is far more that ones gender the sooner quota advocates wake up and see that the sooner we can be done with this distraction and move on to addressing issues on a broader scale where real equality is addressed over a longer period of time with deeper actions and policies across the political board and in society rather than the attempted quick fix slap dash ideas like this.

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    • Or they could just Implement policies such are gender quotas – women are after all part of these parties and can probably along with there fair minded male counterparts bring about change from within – this allowing issues surrounding gender to be null and void.

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