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Interview: How I know human decency trumps politics – Fr Brian D’Arcy

Priest and journalist Father Brian D’Arcy discusses how politics and religion were always intertwined in his life, even as a young boy.

Fr Brian D'Arcy

In Jude Collins’ new book, Whose Past is it Anyway? The Ulster Covenant, the Easter Rising and the Battle of the Somme, Father Brian D’Arcy discusses his Fermanagh childhood, politics and The Troubles in Ireland.

OUR FAMILY WAS nationalist but not republican.

We were Catholics living in a townland that was completely Protestant and strongly unionist, but at the same time, my father’s father was a member of the British Army and was killed in the Dardanelles on 15 August 1915.

Although I never saw him, a picture of him in uniform was on the wall and he certainly wasn’t denied. But nobody knew anything about him, including my father. It meant nothing to us at all.

My mother’s family were Corrigans which would have been a republican family and indeed her father was badly beaten on a number of occasions by the Black and Tans. So you had these two family things coming together.

We were total Gaelic people but my mother would say, “Don’t get involved in the IRA”. There used to be Easter Sunday ceremonies in our local graveyard; some families would have stayed for those orations, the rest of us went home.

Division

When I was a young boy we went on the bus to St Michael’s in Enniskillen – but a six-mile journey – with neighbouring pupils from Royal Portora School, the Collegiate school. In fact, we walked together – St Michaels and the Collegiate were right beside each other – maybe two miles up the hill and we were very great, as young fellahs would be, with the girls that were walking with them up to school.

The convent school was in a different direction altogether. You had all these farmers son of Protestants and Catholics who had far more in common than working-class sons like I was, of either view, class did bring people together. The farming community was one and the working-class community.

But there was another division – between those of a nationalist background and those from a unionist background – because, you see, the B-men were the problem. Among the boys going to school it was never spoken about.

The way we got over it was that the ones going to St Michaels spoke Irish on the bus so that nobody else could understand. I mean there was no malice in any of it at all. But in school – we were taught by a priest – there was a kind of nationalism taught that was almost like Judaism, in the sense that it was linked to religion. Politics and religion became close.

And then, of course, for two months of the year the two communities were utterly separated. None of us could get up and down the road, as they marched up and down, preparing to go to the Twelfth of July. And then 12 August was also a big day, so there was no peace until 12 August.

And then on 15 August we had our sports and every Catholic went to that event. So it was insidious. No one ever told me but there was a pattern of a life that was based around these things.

Segregation

Politics has definitely played a huge part in my priestly life, no doubt about it. I’ve had to think and work hard at it because I came from that segregated background. I spent a little time in South Africa, because our older is working in South Africa, in Botswana, where there is that whole idea of segregation and division.

In South Africa it was particularly difficult because you had the Afrikaaner Churches justifying apartheid from the Bible – an awful way of looking at it. Some people like Bishop Hurley in Durban, were great heroes to me. He was a white man, originally from Offaly, long before Archbishop Tutu – a man who was walking with his black people, long before there was any of this. And so all of these things came together in my mind.

Meeting Dev

I met de Valera as a student – he came to Mount Argus as President and I was asked to accompany him around and I had a conversation with him. Where I grew up, around Enniskillen, you could be arrested – many men were arrested – for shouting, “Up Dev!” And here I was, standing beside Dev! [Laughs] Sadly he was quite blind at that time but he was an absolute gentleman. In fact he had taught mathematics for a Passionist school before we went to the Holy Ghosts, and he had in his mind that little connection. So Dev, to me, was also a hero and in many senses still is.

I happened to be ordained in 1969, exactly when the Troubles began, so from my first day that was what was going on. I went into journalism.

Tim Pat Coogan and Fintan Faulkner in The Irish Press said “You have connections up in Ardoyne. Would you go up please and interview the chief of staff of the IRA for us quietly? We’re not going to publish it but we might publish what you write in it.”

And I did that, not knowing what I was going into. I was brought to him in Belfast, to his house, with a coat over my head in the back of a car. I had no idea where I went. I interviewed him and wrote up a report, so that Tim Pat and The Irish Press could have a better understanding of the IRA.

Rising above politics

My whole theme of this was to try to grow out of being prisoners of the past. When my mother died, before I was ordained, I suddenly discovered that the Protestant neighbours were wonderful. They thought very highly of my mother and they were the first in the buns and baked bread, and that meant more to me than anything. That stuck in my head: my perception of these people was wrong.

My mother kept children of Protestant neighbours while they went to celebrate the Twelfth of July; my father milked the cows for a Protestant neighbour, George Lee, while he went to the Twelfth of July.

In return George Lee would loan my father the tractor so that we could cut our meadow around that time, because we wouldn’t have had a tractor ourselves.

And so the bartering and the friendliness and the decency of people rose above the dictates of politics.

That is what my theme has been all up the years.

Whose Past is it Anyway? The Ulster Covenant, the Easter Rising and the Battle of the Somme written by Jude Collins. Published by The History Press of Ireland.

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Comments (41 Comments)

  • It would be a far more decent thing to support the likes of the people from Priory Hall rather than the Quinns.

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    • yeah, i wondered why he did that. I think a good bit of the Quinn support is payback from people who the quinns helped through jobs, charity donations, helping the local gaa club etc etc. They dont want to know what the quinns did but are prepared to do the irish thing and “stick up for the local” – when i say the irish thing, consider the crooked politicians so often reelected with increased mandates once scandal came out…

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    • Who thinks that he doesn’t. He is a very compassionate man. And a fair one.

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  • padraig 22/10/12 #

    Did Dermot Morgan model Fr Trendy on him?

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  • Lost any respect I had for this man… ever since he publicy supported the Quinns .

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  • hack of that jumper

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  • SMcB 21/10/12 #

    The Quinn’s are far from decent Humans Fr Brian… Admittedly they were decent until they started having such a disregard for the law.

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  • I never did get the “Celebrity Priest” thing. I’ve no interest in anything they have to say.

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  • Brian leave politics out of it and stick to what your are doing as a priest, if you are still one.

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  • I love being a priest!

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  • Fr yawn D’arsie !

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  • “St Michaels and the Collegiate were right beside each other – maybe two miles up the hill and we were very great, as young fellahs would be, with the girls that were walking with them up to school.”

    The way he does write the story, to be read, makes my brain be sore, to read what he wrote, on the page.

    There’s my attempt at writing in a similar style to Fr D’arsey. A few paragraphs in and I was done.
    We should expect the church to have some clergyman supporting the Quinns on their behalf. That’s the way the church works. Always has. They are friends of the wealthy, sipping cognac or sherry, discussing worldly matters, away from the poor and the needy. Only recently, the nuns in the US were castigated by the vatican for spending so much time on helping the poor, the vulnerable. Apparently this time would be better spent spreading bigotry, homophobia, hatred and prejudice.

    Fr Jack Hackett had his own term for the poor and the needy, whom he despised. What was it again, oh yeah,; “a shower of bast**ds.”

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  • If speaking in a coded language on a school bus as a child to other children isn’t racist and extremist what is? The values passed down from the church and from his people need to be questioned. Fundamentalism is dangerous as this whom item reflects. Brian need a retreat to de-programme himself. His influence on others is quite upsetting.

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  • The Showband priest…we wouldn’t have had Fr Ted except for him.

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  • The most uninteresting articles I’ve read from the journal to date.

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  • He has no business being involved in politics and further intertwining the church and state.

    Waste of time in taking points on how to live your life from a celibate man in a dress. Also it’s so poorly written

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    • It really irritates me when employees of the Roman Catholic Church continue to try to fool the masses into believing that the institution which they represent was a leading light in campaigning for human rights and freedom. When clearly they were one of the greatest enemies of democracy, civil rights and human liberty on the planet.They speak with fork tongues and are economic with the truth.Brian Darcy is a compliant mouthpiece for the RCC propaganda machine and therefore everything he states must be questioned for its credibility.

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  • Human decency? Father Brian D’Arcy is quoted as saying the following in the above article “In South Africa it was particularly difficult because you had the Afrikaaner Churches justifying apartheid from the Bible – an awful way of looking at it.”

    An awful way of looking at? A seemingly fair comment to express his disapproval and therefore distance himself from a system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. The reality is this comment is disingenuous at best. As he, his church and his Bible promote same i.e. racism, segregation and slavery. The Bible contains several references to slavery. The Bible does not condemn slavery, but in fact supports the regulated practice of it, especially under the Old Testament, but also in the New Testament. Only male Israelite slaves were to be offered release after six years of service, with some stipulations. Foreign (African) slaves and their posterity became the perpetual property of the owner’s family, except in the case of certain injuries. The regulation of slavery in the Bible, and absence of outright condemnation of it as an institution, was later used to justify slavery by its defenders. Apartheid to which Father D’Arcy claims is awful is a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. A system promoted by his God and to which he is a servant of.

    Father D’Arcy is also quoted as saying “My whole theme of this was to try to grow out of being prisoners of the past.” Might I suggest for him to fulfil this desire “to grow out of being a prisoner” he takes the risk of thinking for himself and becomes a person of no religion. I suggest this act would guarantee him from being a prisoner of the god delusion.

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    • Hi Kevin I always like interesting posts which prompt me to research the contributors claims. The “curse of Ham” by Noah was used by Christians to condone serfdom/slavery. It really is great to live in an Age of Enlightenment where so much knowledge can be found at our finger tips, no longer are we slaves to those who would keep this knowledge from us.

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    • Here’s a website which is quite informative about the relationship between Christianity and slavery.

      http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4b.htm

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    • n.dunne 22/10/12 #

      er the bible was written 2000 years ago..a wee bit before the liberal agenda kicked in…. there is a lot in there that tells us how to be good humans but we diss the whole thing so we can act the way we want… ps I do dislike fr darcy immensely..

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    • @n.dunne

      You clearly haven’t read the bible. Especially the Old Testament. It is full of barbaric, cruel and archaic ideals that are completely stupid.

      And don’t assume that human compassion for each other started with the bible, it predates the bible by hundreds of thousands of years

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    • N. Dunne – Liberal agenda? At what stage did the following excepts from the Bible assist mankind to be humane?

      “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.” (Leviticus 20:10)

      “A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.” (Leviticus 20:27)

      “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)

      “And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.” (Exodus 12:29-30)

      Thankfully as you say “we diss the whole thing so we can act the way we want” i.e. for the most part humanely.

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    • hbenroe 22/10/12 #

      Very interesting Kevin must look in to some of that on the bible. I am not a practicing catholic but the bible is a good good read.

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  • “My whole theme of this was to try to grow out of being prisoners of the past.”

    A choice quote from a serial self promoter who belongs to an organisation that claims to be in contact with a Jewish zombie from the Iron Age. You can’t really get more ironic than that.

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  • Pass the bucket,I need to throw up…………….

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  • Darcy says “My mother kept children of Protestant neighbours while they went to celebrate the Twelfth of July; my father milked the cows for a Protestant neighbour, George Lee, while he went to the Twelfth of July.”

    Now read the same comment with the religious racist slur removed. “My mother kept children of neighbours and my father milked cows for a neighbour. ”

    Darcy says “I suddenly discovered that the Protestant neighbours were wonderful.” (At the age of 24)

    Now try it again and read the same comment with the religious racist slur removed.

    “I suddenly discovered that the neighbours were wonderful.”

    In the above comments if the word “Protestant” was replaced with “Black” would his writings be deemed acceptable for publication?

    It is clear through Darcy’s use of language that while suggesting differently he cannot escape the awful truth that he and his religion has advocated a system of segregation and discrimination on grounds of race. This type of racism is given special priviledge via the much abused right to freedom of religion. I would suggest that his views are at best repulsive as they are clearly not decent nor humane.

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    • padraig 22/10/12 #

      Racist? Hardly. Banal, Yes. Rural people who lacked ranting pols to incite trouble got on. Bigoted would be the term. Stretching the meaning of racism, drains it of all meaning. I hope I can find a clip of Fr Trendy.

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    • padraig 22/10/12 #

      Racist? Hardly. Banal, Yes. Rural people who lacked ranting pols to incite trouble got on. Bigoted would be the term. And he isn’t really for that place and time. Stretching the meaning of racism, drains it of all meaning. I hope I can find a clip of Fr Trendy.

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    • Padraig – The Oxford English Dictionary defines racism as the “belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races”

      The Catholic Church asserts that Catholics are superior to any other race;

      “The Catholic Church alone… is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation….Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.” – Mortalium Animos

      The Oxford English Dictionary definition of bigot (noun) = a person who is bigoted: religious bigots he was a fanatical bigot, determined to crush heresy. (Heresy was redefined by the Catholic Church as a belief that conflicted with established Catholic dogma. Eventually it took on the meaning of an accusation levied against members of another group which has beliefs that conflict with those of the accusers.)

      Yet again the Catholic Church asserts that all other belief systems are inferior.

      So racist or bigoted in this context is fine with me as a description of D’Arcy’s comments. Banal is certainly not a word I would use to describe the murder of over 3,600 people during the troubles which was in no small part fuelled by a religious dogma which is unquestionably racist and advocated by D’Arcy.

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  • Fr Brian D’Arcy makes me want to puke. He’s a coward who is in love with himself. Why does a good institution like the Journal give him a platform?

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  • Why does he appear to be giving the V-sign in the photograph?

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