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Lisa McInerney: Magdalene atrocities happened because society allowed them to

The hand of the State and religious bodies in what happened to the women of the Laundries is clear – but the hard facts of the McAleese report also shows that the Irish public was complicit too.

Lisa McInerney

“YOU’RE NOT COMING into this house. You disgraced us. You’re not right in the head…”* The words Christina Mulcahy recalls her father spitting when she attempted to return to the family home after giving birth outside marriage.

“The biggest sin in Ireland was to talk.”* Martha Cooney, who was admitted to a Magdalene Laundry at 14 years old after telling a relative that she’d been sexually assaulted.

Oral testimony from survivors of the Magdalene system informed us of the appalling conditions under which penitents slaved, of the State bodies who availed of their labour, of the gardaí who returned runaways to the prisons they were so desperate to escape. Last week’s report has officially confirmed that testimony. In its clear facts and figures, it proves that the Magdalene laundries didn’t operate with abnormal autonomy. That society, community, even family played a part in writing this chapter of our history.

The Magdalene atrocities happened because Ireland allowed them to happen.

A quarter of the recorded Magdalene penitents were referred to the laundries by the State, often as a alternative to prison sentences. More came though the industrial schools system, which substituted any concept of welfare for the unpaid labour and intentional mistreatment of
the country’s most vulnerable children. An economic godsend, as it were.

In 45 per cent of cases, there was no surviving documentation to indicate how inmates were referred to the laundry system. How many of those came to the system because they were abandoned to it by their own families?

“Their own flesh and blood delivered them willingly into penal servitude”

Their own families. Their own flesh and blood delivered them willingly into penal servitude because they were ‘fallen’ women. They had lost their worth in a society that valued women by how preciously their sexuality was guarded. Their sexuality, their femininity, their very selves were but gifts to be bestowed upon marriage; female sexuality was a commodity so important that there was genuine terror in leaving it in the care of flighty young women with nothing but sin between their ears. As if the wealth of the country had been placed in the hands of people too stupid to close their fists.

And so a ‘fallen’ woman could be anything from a prostitute to a girl too pretty for her own good. The shame in having one of these broken creatures in your own family was too much for Ireland’s pious to bear, and so they arranged for them to be taken out of the sight of decent folk and put to the grindstone for crimes that weren’t crimes at all.

You’d ask yourself how on earth this could happen. How anyone could be so far removed from the most basic facets of human emotion that they could dispose of a daughter, a sister, a wife for some invented transgression denounced from a cold pulpit. If our governmental bodies discarded these women for economic reasons, their own families did it simply to save face.

They were told that God demanded strict moral standards, and they sacrificed their own to appease him.

The committee’s report has suggested one particularly unlikely detail: that the Magdalene Laundries were not particularly profitable. At the same time, they were doubtlessly productive, as the women and girls confined there worked horrifically long hours, symbolic labour that happily managed to facilitate their custodians’ business plans. We are led to believe by the financial accounts offered to the committee that the laundries made just enough money to pay for themselves, to keep the slave labourers in rags and scraps, working for six and seven days on industrial machines.

“Religious zealotry was common in Irish society at large”

Perhaps the nuns were just bad businesswomen. But if we are to accept that these laundries weren’t run for profit, that they were run for the sole purpose of breaking sinners, humiliating and abusing them, that’s an evil on par with growing rich from the proceeds of forced labour.

The religious zealotry of the abusers allowed them to perpetrate these evils because they were convinced of their superiority over the unclean wretches in their power. It was that same religious zealotry that kicked in at the birth of our nation, when the Catholic Church provided the rigid moral dos and don’ts upon which our first laws were built. And that religious zealotry was common in Irish society at large, where the women who fought shoulder-to-shoulder with men in the battle for our independence had their status eroded by backwards sanctimony, where the poorest children were looked on as pests to be contained, where families offered up their own flesh and blood to pacify the curtain-twitching mob.

Christina Mulcahy had fallen in love and had a baby outside marriage. She was sent to the Laundry from the mother-and-baby home, without being given a chance to say goodbye, when she was still breastfeeding her son. Martha Cooney had been sent to work for her cousin, and was committed to the laundry when she reported that he had sexually assaulted her. Maureen Sullivan (of Magdalene Survivors Together) was sent to the laundry, aged twelve, when her stepfather abused her. There, her school books were taken away, along with her name and her freedom, and she was put to work to symbolically repent for her stepfather’s misdeeds.

The religious orders involved got away with this because Ireland allowed it, but Ireland allowed it because Ireland was poisoned by religion. This is our past. It is one we should be deeply ashamed of. It is one we must mind when we see religious thinking attempt to manipulate the secular laws our nation is entitled to. And it is one we must acknowledge if we are ever to be forgiven for it.

* From interviews contained in the documentary, Sex In A Cold Climate.

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Comments (68 Comments)

  • This is a strong example why church and state should be seperated. Was the church that perpetrated the laundries. .. Yes! Was it the government that supported the actions of the church… Yes! Was it the church that influenced Irish society… Yes!

    Let us learn our lesson. Take religion out of public schools, government, the Irish constitution and any other tax supported program or event. Leave religion and it teachings for churches, temples, synagogues, mosaics and our hearts.

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    • It is a strong example of why church and society should be separated.

      Could also be seen as a strong example of why church and religion should be separated.

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    • Most ordinary people knew nothing of the laundries. I read a piece by a journalist who said we must have known as her mother sent her own laundry to one of these Institutions to be washed and ironed Lucky mother, almost all working class mothers did their own laundry by hand with no washing machine. So some people knew but they were handful of middle class

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    • Marlon speaking sense – yet again.

      Run for TD, Mr Major.

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    • Thanks Kevin… Give me a few more years ;-)

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    • Your comments make me stop and think, Marlon.

      And for that, I thank you.

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    • Not as simple as you make it out, Marlon. While there is no doubt to the Church/State relationship and the hold the church had on people anyway in Ireland, other countries were as conservative in those days and the same type of thing was going on.

      I don’t believe that most people didn’t know about the laundries, Of course they did. They needed to be known to exist.

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    • Marlon you are spot on but can i add one more suspect to the list of institutions that has failed these women ,the media this is why there are paper stands selling news this is there job they get paid for this,why is the media not out there looking for the next Magdalene story that will cause the nation shock,i will make it easy for them the level of criminal activity that which takes place in our courts demands immediate state intervention.

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    • Brian, in no way am I saying that separating church and state will be an easy task. The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for… However, we as the people of Ireland must take ownership of past and present history. In doing so we can insure that the children of tomorrow will not have to suffer embarrassment, debt, discrimination, prejudice and ignorance. Understanding the truths of our country is difficult… But dismantling and reconfiguring all that we know is even harder.

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    • Dermot… I agree we need some sort of system that flags injustice. However, I’m not sure it should be the media. Actually, I think it is very sad that we rely on the media to uncover injustices, dishonesty and deceit.

      The media can be bought… And can be self-serving!

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    • Smiley 11/02/13 #

      Brian, I’d like you to give examples of other countries where this was happening, please.

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    • Well said Marlon.

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    • Reply to Smiley – name one other country where this sort of thing happened.

      How’s about Great Britain? In the 1970s when the large mental institutions were closed down, many women were found to have been incarcerated in them by their families for much the same reason – falling in love, having a baby out of wedlock etc. The notion of “respectability” was not only alive in Ireland and was not created by the Catholic Church. It existed in many societies. It is a very narrow-minded view and yes, it was very prevalent in Ireland, and probably in some parts still is.

      But you have to interpret what happened, not by today’s standards, but by the satndards of the time in which it happened. A lot of Irish people are having a great time blaming the Catholic Church for all that happened in the years after Independence. Try another interpretation – Ireland was endeavopuring to establish an identity which was separate and different to that of Britain. Britain was Protestant – therefore Ireland had to be Catholic; Britain was seen as sexually permissive, therefore Ireland had to be sexually repressive; Britain was urban, hence the concentraiton on Ireland’s rural culture. One could go on, but a lot of those things which happened in Ireland in the first 75 years of the 20th century was not unique to Ireland. The advantage that Irish people have is that they can (and are) laying the blame at the feet of a particular organisation and in too many cases not accepting that they had any part to play in it.

      I am NOT excusing the sexual abuse by priests – that was appalling and the Church’s response was also shocking and unforgiveable.

      I AM writing of the Magdalen laundries and the society which insisted that women be blamed for the sexual sins of both men and women.

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    • Olive…. Your many words joined together… Made a lots of sense. Thanks for taking the time to be clear and concise. Your comment supports my argument that religion and politics don’t mesh.

      I personally think that we are in an exciting time in this country. We have an opportunity to revisit the past with wisdom and correct the foundation that supported such atrocities. Yes… This will take work and sacrifice… But we have power on our side… That power being knowledge, intelligence, book smarts, world experience and a country of generally good people. If we can harness this power and redirect it at the offenders and abusers that obstruct our quality of life… A better future for our children will be guaranteed.

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    • Magdalene laundries where in other European countries, I think the first was in France

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    • Smiley 11/02/13 #

      Thank you Olive for your explanation. Where I’m from, girls ‘disappeared’ to have babies out of wedlock then reappeared afterwards. Some couples married in haste. I’ve never heard of such cruelty as the laundries before. In UK was it general in society or just a catholic thing?

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    • Smiley 11/02/13 #

      It seems they were originally set up by a Protestant woman but when the catholic nuns took over the regime became harsh and punitive. Nuns spread it to Philadelphia and some parts of GB. The original philosophy of rehabilitation was lost and many women were never able to escape or to be released.

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    • So why are we not hearing about it .. Our news is all over Europe just now ??? Where is the news on France or any other country as if Sky got hold of it .. They would tell it .. True or ??? ….

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  • I was born in 1941. I knew about the laundry in my hometown from about the age of 8 because I witnessed the girls being walked out each afternoon with their heads down. My father also told me about Letterfrack, an institution he refused to do business with because of abuse of young residents in their care. Indeed, when I was a kid, the words Artane, Letterfrack and Daingan were three words shouted at me which invariably resulted in me towing the line. Why did my father not do anything about it? Because he had a young family to feed and clothe just after the war, ran his own business and had already been ‘read’ from the altar for attending the funeral of a Protestant neighbour. In those days the brooding presence of the Catholic Church pervaded every aspect of Irish life. If they didn’t frighten you into submission with their medieval myths they made sure by devious means that your business or job was put in jeopardy. No wonder I laughed when in 1992 two Irish graduates proferred letters from their parish priest when I interviewed them for engineering jobs.

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    • Smiley 11/02/13 #

      So, really, Marist, while people complain about the ‘forced’ migration of the Irish for economic reasons, the ones who got away were lucky. They had the chance to live in more balanced societies.

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    • I dunno know about that smiley. My parents emigrated and I was raised in the bronx in NY. That wasn’t nice or well balanced for that matter.

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    • Smiley 11/02/13 #

      By balanced I meant a variety of races and religions, not just one dominant religion being forced on to people and supported by a constitution. People must have true freedom to choose. Was it that Jesuits who said, ‘give me the boy till he’s seven and I will give you the man’?

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    • I see, that’s a valid point , well Ireland now is a very cosmopolitan society thanks to the influx of foreign nationals which has its good and bad sides. But I think it’s unfair to totally trash the catholic church because it has its good points too. The Marists get an awful lot of stick an rightfully so but i can tell you they do do good work. Theyre going to the phillipines to build houses very soon in two phases which is noble .

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  • Morality is far too important to be left in the hands of a multinational organisation.

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  • I don’t understand the comments excusing the behaviour of the nuns. does that mean that children in care , seniors in old peoples homes and prisoners should be repeatedly and systematically, beaten and abused, physically and mentally because they have been ‘taken in’. Of course not and I find it sad that anyone would try and justify their actions as that of good hearted Christians. sad . . or seriously and scarily delusional.

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  • What about the people who were not related to any of the prisoners, but who knew what was happening and did nothing?

    In 20 years time, what will people look back on and ask “Why did they do nothing?”?

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    • They did nothing, because they lived in fear!
      Fear being the opposite of love!

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    • “Why did they do nothing?”? The answer to that is quite easy, people lived in fear because the Chuch had such a hold over the State.

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    • I don’t believe the population of Ireland lived in fear of the laundries.

      I suspect apathy played its part.

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    • Well maybe ask people from that time and do some study if they lived in fear of the church. I will not blame my grandparents that they did not do any thing. I know they lived in fear of the church. I know papers would not print a story for fear of backlash from the church.

      By right they should of taken action, BUT they were scared from the fear the church would have a back lash.

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    • The Irish people didn’t live in fear, that’s a complete cop out so the layman doesn’t feel guilty. We stood aside then as we’re standing aside now allowing people to decide how we should live our lives without asking questions.

      It’s a toss up between laziness and apathy. And I’m as guilty as the next person.

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    • Well thats great if you have that view BUT people did life in fear.Its been stated time and time again Its not a cop out its a simple fact of life if you ask any one who lived that time I really doubt that they will say it was laziness and apathy . If you say the chuch did not have a hold over Ireland in that time you really have your head in the clouds.

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    • I think the fear they lived in (and still do) is a fear of being seen as both different and uppity. If you step out of line and speak up about things that don’t already have widespread support you will be looked on as a trouble maker, strident, militant and a bit mad. We are still a very conservative country, not many have the full-on courage of their convictions either way, which is not quite apathy and is much more insidious and damaging. By way of example, how many allow their kids to be put through baptism, communion and confirmation just to fit in?

      It’s not fear of incarceration or even institutional authority, it’s fear of the reactions of our neighbours, families and friends: social ostracism.

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  • Yes indeed,a society corrupted by religion but yet the sheep still follow the wolves to this day,after everything that has happened!!!

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    • RU the people are brain washed ,look at the RTE news on saturday thousands of people marched to put an end to the debt that has been criminaly put over on to the backs of the people ,on RTE they say the people are out marching to get easing of the debt they are trying to make this debt acceptable by the irish people ,this is the goverment media machine LIES.

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  • It was Ignorance and herd mentality yet again that was the root of this violation of human rights by the Church/State .The problem that becomes more evident everyday even to this day is the complete obedience and faithfulness to a illusion a P.R illusion that the Church/State still use to this day.Even after all the scandals and injustices we still blindly follow the same Institutions that have done so many wrongs against the common man and women of this country .Ireland has been run by old colonial Victorian mindset politicians bishops priests who have merely changed slightly to suit the times the fundamentals are still there and still in practice.For far too long the Irish people have been kept down Mentally Financially Spiritually by the same ruling mindset with just different names since the famine.Aided and abated by a divided people who do not stand up for themselves and show unity for a common good people turned their head away before and it looks like they are going to do it again”BANKING DEBT”.We place too much trust in our Leaders and give them a different rulebook to the ones we have for ourselves big mistake because abuse of power will naturally take place.The Irish people have a record for being good people African Aid being a good example it is only when we come to our own country we become ignorant.That must and will change.

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  • The fact is Ireland was lead and said by the catholic church. Anything sexual was classed as a mortal sin and it very much suited the church to punish women by condemning them to a life of brutality and slavery.

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  • Blame solves nothing, however, had you said, we the Irish people need to take responsibility for what happened in the Magdalene laundries, I’d go with that. We do as a nation need to take responsibility for the crimes that were perpetrated on all of these ladies. Our history is shameful. We did allow the church to influence us to much! We were a nation of squinting windows. We did care more about what the neighbours thought, more than we cared for our children! We are still doing this, with the recent changes to our Constitution!
    When any people of our world care more about it’s children and takes collective responsibility for crimes against them, then we mature as a peoples. Unfortunately, Ireland has not matured yet!

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    • Smiley 11/02/13 #

      There are parallels between Ireland’s submission to Rome and Germany’s submission to Hitler, I think.

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    • We ?
      What did I do .. What did my generation do?
      So with your logic, and the welcomed multi-cultural changes that have taken place, can be blame the Poles, and maybe Nigerians?
      Maybe we could tap their tax payers up for compensation??

      I am so bored of others apologising for me.

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  • the birth of our nation was the birth of year zero by the Church

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    • They government don’t take inboard our wishes now so even 30 years ago so how could anybody make their voice heard then when they were up against the unholy alliance. The church and the state

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    • The moment when ‘home rule became Rome rule’ Lock. stock and barrel, De Valera handed the country over to the Romans and they made sure that the place was run like a theocracy ever since, it still is in many ways! They still control most of the education system, the hospitals, care homes and they still interfere in the social policies of the state through various groups such a the militant anti abortion mobs and anti sex industry groups like Ruhama. There is still a large group within Irish society who would like the Roman church to be the domineering force it once was and who will resist any attempt to diminish their influence. Politicians from both FF/FG are foot soldiers for this cult and they will always put Rome before Ireland when it comes to loyalty.

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  • And how, exactly was “society” supposed to stop the religious institutions from abusing and exploiting these people??? They had the backing of the state and the Gards, who was going to stand up against them? Sure isn’t “society” standing back right now as “austerity” is inflicted on the most needy of our population. Very simplistic journalism, very disappointing.

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  • The way that Irish society behaves reminds me of my time at school. Dominated by a gang of bullies, no one would dare speak out for fear they would be marginalized. In Ireland we have had the same power struggle. Back in the 50s the bullies were the church + state. Nowadays we have the banks + state. And we still stay silent while our childrens and old peoples rights are whittled away to pay for criminal behavior. History repeats itself. We are still trembling cowards afraid to speak.

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  • I cannot accept these constant references to the ‘State’, and ‘Irish Society’ as if they are some living entity.
    I’m Irish, I’m a citizen .. I didn’t do this. Can we please start moving these tribunals towards some truth of the identities of those who done wrong.

    This will end up as another case of my Generation paying compensation to my Parents Generation for wrong doings inflicted on them by my Grandparents generation.

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  • ” Magdalene atrocities happened because society allowed them to”.
    Oh Really?
    Cheek!
    What a cop out.

    That headline should read :
    “Magdalene atrocities happened because IRISH NUNS AND CLERICS ABUSED CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE”.

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  • I don’t think the church would have been able to manipulate the Irish population in the worst ways possible unless the population was as lazy and apathetic as it was and all too willing to enslave women for their perceived crimes. They had only too many willing cowardly accomplices in the Irish people.

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  • A small few facts :
    63% of people who entered these institutions stayed less than a year
    26% were sent there by our Courts or other state agencies .
    These laundries were founded by a protestant lady to help the poor
    Up until the mid 1950s Ireland had some of the worst tenement buildings in Europe.
    These were never profit making as the state or the local health boards did not give any
    subsidies for the upkeep or care of the people who were resident there .

    Ireland from its foundation up until we joined the European Union was one of the poorest Countries in Europe
    Think of Romania in the 80s and it might give you a picture of what it was like to live here.

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  • They were free to the women who went there, there was huge stigma in society and even there families pushed them in.

    It is easy to have feminist outrage but these institutions were run by Women, and very often it was the matriarch mother of the family forcing their daughters in out of family shame.

    Historical perspective should be used, empathy for the conditions of the time, looking back with today’s values is stupid.

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  • I have had it pointed out to me on Twitter in response to this Type of Thinking “possibly 90% of people never heard of them. Sharing blame dilutes blame on those responsible.”
    Who in the General population knew of the conditions within the Laundries? Very few I suspect?
    Clearly Government to blame, for not regulating, and sending Girls there. BUT Lets not forget WHO was committing atrocities?
    This Report has set the Government for another #Indemnity Deal They where Stupid to not to admit it and commissioning an inquiry.
    The Nuns conveniently have lost records this was the same when it came to Records pertaining to the Redress Board. Justice for Magdalenes are asking for “Restorative Justice” and I wish them well in their endeavours. What they are asking for can be viewed @ http://bit.ly/WVCZNK

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  • censored 12/02/13 #

    Yep, and we all partied during the boom. We’re the worst people ever and deserve every bit of what’s coming to us.

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  • Very easy to play the blame game when you did not live in the height of the problem.

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    • There is, admittedly, an element of revisionism ( the nuns who took holy orders lived on essentially the same food and schedule) but you can’t deny that a halt should have been called long before it was.

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    • Your bang out of order here chief take your head out of the clouds for a minute.

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    • i think this matter should be sorted and stop beating around the bush about it. it was a disgrace how women were treated abused to the highest. its about time these people got some sort of piece and now in 50 years time when there all dead because the government didn’t want to be seen to give in and act tough.

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    • Marion most people commenting on here were probably born well after the Laundries closed and have no idea what life was like in Ireland of the 50s 60s and 70s and It is very easy . and most people take there facts from cases used in the popular and sensationalist rags and Radio shows such as live-line
      Here are some more of the facts taken from the report itself

      The Magdalen Laundries in numbers
      Admissions
      Number of women who spent time in Magdalen Laundries since 1922: 10,012*
      Known admissions, including repeat admissions, from 1922 onwards: 14,607*
      Admissions for which routes of entry (referrals) are known: 8,025
      Number of these referrals made or facilitated by the State (26.5%) 2,124
      Age at time of entry (years)
      Average age at time of entry: 23.8
      Median age at time of entry: 20
      Age of youngest known entrant: 9
      Age of oldest known entrant: 89
      Duration of stay (cumulative percentages)
      Less than 3 months 35.6% Less than 2 years 73.2%
      Less than 6 months 47.4% Less than 3 years 79.0%
      Less than 1 year 61.0% Less than 5 years 85.6%
      Less than 18 months 68.0% Less than 10 years 92.3%
      Median duration of stay 27.6 weeks (approximately 7 months)
      Known parental background at time of entry (unknown 53.9%)
      Both parents alive: 12.5% Mother dead, father alive: 8.5%
      Father dead, mother alive: 11.6% Both parents dead: 13.5%
      Previously institutionalised
      Percentage known to have been previously institutionalised: 23.4%
      Geographical background
      Urban background: 33.3% From outside the State: 2.3%
      Rural background: 25.9% Unknown: 38.5%
      Deaths occurring in the Laundries from 1922: 879*
      Age of youngest at time of death: 15 Age of oldest at time of death: 95
      *Excluding the two Magdalen Laundries operated by the Sisters of Mercy
      XIII
      Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee
      to establish the facts of State involvement with the Magdalen Laundries Executive Summary
      A. Routes of entry
      5. The Committee found that there were many different routes by which girls and
      women entered the Laundries. The routes of entry which involved referrals to
      the Magdalen Laundries made or facilitated by the State included:
      • Referrals of girls or women from the criminal justice system,
      (approximately 8.1% of known routes of entry) including:
      - remand;
      - referrals as a condition of probation;
      - other less formalised referrals facilitated by the Courts;
      - referrals from prison;
      - referrals by members of An Garda Síochána;
      • Referrals from Industrial and Reformatory Schools
      (approximately 7.8% of known routes of entry);
      • Referrals from the health and social services sector
      (approximately 6.8% of known routes of entry), including:
      - Referrals by health authorities and County and City
      Homes;
      - Referrals from psychiatric hospitals;
      - Referrals by social workers and social services;
      • Referrals from Mother and Baby Homes (approximately 3.9% of
      known routes of entry).
      6. In addition to the State-related routes of entry listed above, there were a large
      number of entries by girls and women categorised as voluntary or “selfreferrals” (16.4% of known entries) as well as significant numbers of referrals
      of girls and women by members of their family (10.5% of known entries) and
      priests (8.8% of known entries). A significant number of entries to Magdalen
      Laundries were also by way of transfer from another Magdalen Laundry
      XIV

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    • Thanks again Jerry for the numbers. It does quantify the fact that life in Ireland was rough. And yes…. The only commodity average citizen could use to bargain with was their faith.

      The church ruled. Ostrized by the church could be seen as a death sentence. However, the fact remains that our government and our church has consistently hid truths by omission.

      It is the church that suggests we confess our sins…. But it’s the church that is incapable of doing so. I would say the church would nake a lot more friends if they offered up honesty with the blood and body of Christ.

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  • Have you read the McAleese report ? These places were not as bad as the catholic bashers would have us believe .No sex abuse and most of the women are shocked to hear of psycho nuns and beatings . Typical of the media . If there is nothing salacious to report , make it up ! Just go and read the report !!!

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  • Lisa, do you ever stop complaining? Try to write a column sometime about something where it isn’t just another rant. They are getting a little tedious at this stage.

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  • Thanks for doing their best, not bitterness would be more appropriate towards the only organisation in existence in Ireland that tried to provided help in those backward days. Logic is being twisted in the cause of anti Catholicism

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    • The Catholic Church are still anti women and male dominated. If the could get away with the same warped inhuman way of agenda they still would. We’re a more enlightened society now but it’s still the dark ages when it comes to their ministry in the third world.

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    • Tom sorry, but who do you think thought those people their own family members were ‘no good’ and deserved to be locked up? It was the church’s fault that mentality existed in the first place. It was/is their job to teach love, understanding/forgiveness and they failed (and still do) dramatically.

      Do you think all this would have happened if Archbishop McQuaid had been a true follower of Christ? At what point did Jesus send Mary Magdalene into isolation to wash the disciples robes for the rest of her life?

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