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Aaron McKenna: Ireland used to have an opposition. Where is it now?

Fianna Fáil is hobbled and Sinn Féin aren’t credible – so Irish politics isn’t working properly.

Aaron McKenna

THERE WAS CONTRASTING jobs news during the week that about sums up the Irish economy: The Kerry Group announced the creation of 800 new jobs over the next three years, while Olhausen closed their remaining pork plants with a loss of 160 jobs, in a company that had already shed twice that since the recession began.

The Kerry Group is a world class exporter. Olhausen was focused on the domestic market. The ESRI released a report recently predicting that GDP, a measure of the entire economy including the export sector, would grow by 1.8 per cent this year; and GNP, a more accurate reflection of the domestic economy, would shrink by 0.2 per cent.

Most of the major jobs announcements of the past years have been in export-focused companies. We know how to do export very well: we attract companies, foreign and domestic, to invest their money in Ireland with low taxes and flexible, business friendly policies and the promise of an adaptable, innovative workforce.

Compare and contrast this approach to our internal approach. We’re all but physically taxing the oxygen out of the country, have policies that seem designed to discourage entrepreneurialism and reform of state spending is a ridiculously dilatory and intransigent process.

For all the positive jobs announcements that warrant the presence of half the cabinet for the photocall, the Central Statistics Office’s Quarterly National Household Survey shows a net loss of 37,700 jobs since this government came to power. All those export jobs just can’t make up for the loss in spending power suffered by ordinary people and families through increased income, sales, property and other taxes and charges.

Kool-Aid

We used to have an opposition in the Dáil who warned of the need for swift government reform; a cull of the quangos; and how tax increases harm an economy twice as much as spending cuts. Fine Gael was the name of the party, and a stronger economy was the name of the game.

They seem to have drank the Kool-Aid once entering the plush, protected and isolated inner sanctum of government. They’ve left a huge gap in the market for sensible economic policies and some honesty and integrity in politics and governance.

The truth is that we really don’t have a sensible opposition these days, and there is a huge gap in the market for one.

Sinn Féin are, distaste about their past aside, a bunch of hardcore populists who will say one thing here while doing another in the North, and softening their cough on their far left wing policies to try and gain ground.

Fianna Fáil are, well, Fianna Fáil. They recently came out with their “Right Tax, Wrong Time” campaign against the property tax. It’s a bit rich, considering how they bankrupted the country, brought us to the troika and signed the agreement to introduce such a tax. Their attempt to distance themselves from their policies and with a leader who was in the bunker with Brian Cowen till near the very end is a bit more than rich. As for honesty and integrity…

Rotten

The only honest opposition are the Socialists and their brethren of the left, whom we know are straightforward Communists without an appreciation for history and – in any event – seem too preoccupied with the obligatory split these days to worry about running the country.

We used to have the Progressive Democrats, who once upon a time were a party about better run government and lower taxes. Unfortunately they morphed into a personality cult around a few electable folks and sat pretty in a rotten government at a time of massively wasteful spending increases and more than dubious tribunal goings on.

We need a new party in Irish politics, one large enough to make a difference but small enough to not have to be all things to all people. A party focused on speedy reform, smaller and better run government and an economic solution to the crisis that relies on people spending their own money rather than ever increasing debt bills to fuel waste and mismanagement.

Burned

Years of constant tax increases have left us well behind growth and unemployment targets. Meanwhile a stroke of a pen can increase your income tax but it takes weeks and months of careful negotiation before a civil servant will answer a telephone or stamp post without being paid a special allowance for it.

This dichotomy of left and right in government is getting nothing of substance done bar making indiscriminate cuts and introducing scorched earth taxes. Meanwhile, ordinary people are feeling burned by dishonest politicians and go-nowhere policies.

We don’t need Fianna Fáil to try and reinvent itself – we know that if they got back in in a few years, it’d be straight back to business as usual. We certainly don’t need a populist left wing party like Sinn Fein, who still aren’t quite proficient with a calculator.

What we need is a party that understands that jacking up VAT, introducing property taxes and having income tax that hits 50 per cent before the average industrial wage in an economy that is hardly growing is a bad, bad idea. We need a party that will fight that corner, that will espouse the idea that a shorter recession is the one we grow our way out of, not the one we constantly fight to keep ahead of with more and more debt.

People who have had nothing to do with politics but who are fed up and, most of all, disappointed at the poor performance of the past half decade need to start thinking that a change is, collectively, theirs to create.

We need to bridge that gap between what we want and need and what the insiders of Dublin 2 are delivering to us. That starts with real opposition to what passes for policies in this government.

Aaron McKenna is a businessman and a columnist for TheJournal.ie. He is also involved in activism in his local area. You can find out more about him at aaronmckenna.com or follow him on Twitter @aaronmckenna.

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Comments (158 Comments)

  • The article is not very insightful. It cites the “poor performance of the last half decade”, when actually it was the poor performance of the half decade prior to that that led to the crisis – light touch bank regulation and fiscal policies dependent on a stamp duty take from an over inflated property boom. If politics isn’t working, as the article claims, it’s for a period far longer than the last 5 years.

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    • Yes the politics of today is not working because there is no faith . Plain and simple.

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    • Your not fooling anyone hunter it is people like you that end up as victims of left wing propaganda, believe everything they read in the papers and on the web. What institution of higher education did you attend where’s your credentials. Poorly educated people need to be led for they don’t have the level of rational thought processes to make informed decisions . Your poor attempt to try and elevate your intellectual,status through the use of a couple of big words exposes your weakness. Get a life , get religion and get educated.

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    • Liam i won’t stoop to your level of veiled insult by addressing you by your last name without the preface of “Mr”.I am well versed in a multitude of religions and faiths affording me the ability to notice one common thread they all share,and that common thread is the prusuit of control and conformity of thought.”Brainwashing to the verbally challenged.Now i’m bored so unless you can engage in intelligent debate run along little man.

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  • I’m sorry but i stopped reading the various other comments when I came to Liam Foley’s ‘input’.

    Obviously a very bored individual with nothing better to do than troll his Saturday mornings away on the internet.

    That, or clearly ad mad as a box of frogs.

    I ‘pray’ its the first scenario though.

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    • Typical of anti catholic sentiment . Label us all the same why don’t you. You troll to your hearts content I have a more pressing service to attend to. Don’t worry though ill be back and I’ve as much right to air my views and the views of the church as any anti catholic here. We will not be brow beaten with insults and comments and have our Christian belief denigrated .we will win the struggle to bring truth to the masses.

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  • liam Foley for taoiseach! we could revert 50 years over night.. we could say decades of the rosary for the economy.. sure wont god will protect the kids from those paedofile priests?.. and we could bring back the laundries for non believers, floggings for non mass goers.. it would be great.. moving statues and all- fantastic. Beat innocent children to death and bury them in unmarked graves.
    sure it wasnt that bad at all now was it..
    We could also use the churchs most formidable power ” the cover up” for any governmental mistakes!
    Rememember no morailty is possible without faith – what bollox!!!
    liam are you not dead yet- seriously?

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    • Typical of the tripe sent out by anti catholic propagandists . All exaggerated lies . Thankfully theirs enough true believers in this country that see through those tissue of lies. You try to make statements and sell them as historical fact when clearly you have very little knowledge of the subject. When you have degrees from notable institutions then please make your point otherwise please leave the arguing to educated critical thinkers.

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    • How very christian of you Liam: don’t give the poor uneducated a say in their lives!

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    • Lol, “educated”, “critical thinker” that’s a good one..
      You are a very, very good troll..

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  • Why have people allowed this thread to be sent off on a tangent by Liam?

    The reality is that we have a dysfunctional political system and have always had so. This article is nothing new. FF and FG are very similar on most issues and Labour aren’t strong enough to make any existing difference visible or meaningful. SF are probably just FF 2. Our lack of a genuine left -right system was one of the prime causes of the bust, in my opinion.

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    • That was Liam’s main objective, noticeably evident in changing the main topic of discussion. Though I enjoy his delightfully church based right wing edumucated bias, he sure gave me a laugh. Crazy crazy crazy…..what are your credentials LOL!!

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  • Liam do you mean “left wing plebians” rather than “left wing plebiscites”? I don’t think plebiscites can be left wing, right wing or center. Isn’t a plebiscite something you vote on?

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  • We need an opposition that will fulfil its promises if it gets into government.

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    • No such party exists. We have an illusion of choice pre elections, and what we get after is more of the same.

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    • Unfortunately the only way a party can fulfil all of its promises is if it gets an overall majority. And even then promises can be impossible to fulfil if the economic situation changes.

      Politics is frequently about the least worst option rather than the best option.

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  • Lads ignore Liam Foley. He’s just a sad troll trying to get his kicks on a Saturday morning by winding up strangers on the Internet. As for the Article itself I agree with the broad thrust that we need a new attitude in Irish politics but by claiming that there was ever effective oppositions in recent Irish politics really stretches credulity

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  • I find Aaron Mc Kenna to be inconsistent.

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  • Oh Liam….Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Pause for a deep breath….Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
    Yes a church that fed its hunger for the abuse of minors, cover ups, scandal, power, money.
    Yes they are the people to fix this country.

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    • I’m not saying there wasn’t a few errors but it has been blown out of the water by left wing propagandists. Yes there was child abuse but it was dealt with in a fair manner by the church and state at the time. If it was so wide scale and such a serious crime why aren’t all the those members of the faith locked up ? Because its not true that why.

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    • Of course it has been proven that child abuse is an illness . Since when is it a crime to be sick?

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    • Boildeggs you are clearly a troll who fears exposure so resorts to using pseudonyms . Anyone who fails to use their real name can’t be taken seriously . I stand by every statement I make , I don’t hide behind a mask like you do. Only cowards shout from behind curtains.

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    • What’s your real name Liam? What do you look like? Where do you live?

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  • As far back as I can remember, that’s about 70 years, there has never been an opposition that represents the people of Ireland. Self interest seems to be the order of the day for the vast majority of Irish politicians, regardless of party loyalty. The parish pump ‘politics of expediency’ rule and until the Irish electorate recognise this, nothing will change.
    As for Liam above…….You can fool most of the people all of the time.

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  • Incidentally Liam you are the troll of the year! (certainly got me going!)

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    • If Liam is a troll, he’s a consistent troll – judging from his past ramblings on other discussions

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    • Gary you’ll eat your words one day when my Christian led party gets into power and restores,prosperity to this country and genuinely improves the conditions for all on this Island. We will have the support of a billion plus Catholics worldwide. They will come in their multitudes and they will invest heavily in this country and build it up to be the Christian state it deserves to be.

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    • I bet you won’t be attacking the innocent church with lies and untruths when you and your children are benefitting from the modern Christian state which we intend to build . A new Jerusalem .

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    • No doubt about it Liam is definitely a FG troll!

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  • The nature of Irish politics is that although the opposition can put individual ministers under a lot of pressure,the whip system rules out the possibility of constructive opposition.

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    • Noddy fingers that’s a contradiction . Uneducated can have a say its just that they don’t know how too. So they are often overpowered intellectually by left wing propaganda. These are the people the church will continue to defend . The poor and the poorly educated .we will represent them and shield them from oppression.

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    • I spent 4 years at MIT and I still can’t get my head round this god thing.

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  • What we needed was Labour to stay out of coalition and form an effective opposition. They had a real opportunity to finally give the Irish electorate a third choice in party politics. They have the organisation, the infrastructure and an alternative policy to Fianna Fail and Fine Gael. Coming into the last general election they were at possibly their most popular in the history of the state.
    They could have been the main party in opposition and left themselves in a prime position to gain real power and make real change in the next general election.

    Instead they decided to go into coalition as junior partners with Fine Gael. They have passed bills and approved legislation that, had they been in opposition, Gilmore, Burton et al. would have been jumping up and down in protest at. A Household Tax? A Property Tax? Cuts in social welfare, pensions, carers allowances?

    They went for the easy option. They took the small amount of power offered to them instead of taking the harder road and biding their time. I have no doubt they will go the way of the Greens at the next election.

    Gilmore for Taoiseach? Yeah, right!

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  • It sounds like what he’s asking for is a libertarian party.

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  • “They’ve left a huge gap in the market for sensible economic policies and some honesty and integrity in politics and governance.” such a pity that none of the above quality’s exist in political life especially honesty and integrity. once people get into the murky world of political life all sense of fairness, decency and equality that they possessed seem to disappear over night and they morph into the greedy ,money-grabbing ,self indulgent , pig-headed, self centred politicians we see in this country and across Europe. until all the perks, expenses, and high salaries and vast pensions are removed from the political arena, nothing will change, take away the big cars pensions perks and wages and see how many of our ‘public spirited’ politico’s stand for election .

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  • Aaron i strongly feel you should brush up on your journalistc skills after reading this article,a good journalism is based on research something you have chosen to ignore before writing negative comments on Sinn Fein,if you had done your research on the 2nd largest party in northern Ireland whose leader is the deputy 1st Minister you would not have come to the conclusion that they are unable to use a calculator although funded by the british “troika” they along with the DUP decide where and what depts recieve finance so i ask you Aaron did you research the universities in the North im guessing you did not or you would know that catholics mainly women are pouring into medicine and law far cry from the days when catholics couldnt vote not to mind getting the chance to enter proffessions such as medicine and law also i wonder did you travel North and research the good community services mainly catholic again,im guessing not or you would realise the great work SF are doin on the ground also Aaron i dont like class distinction but you obviously are not aware that the new middle class in Northern Ireland are made up of mainly catholics.On your comments on SF been a populist party i ask you wetre they popular when they the only party in this sorry state who went against Croke Park agreement an agreement which has the whole country up in arms even the very people who drew it up been popular with the ordinary man/woman who is fed up with parties that say one thing to get votes but do the other is why SF are so popular in North and been unpopular with a golden circle of bankers,developers,media owners and so called socialist union leaders is the reason why SF will someday be a very large party in the south that i can garauntee you Aaron

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  • The system is flawed, never mind an opposition, the whip system means there is no real choice, once in charge everything is run by the cabinet and the dail is nothing more then a talking shop. As for the church this should have been their time to help people but they are too busy being worried about loosing money due to the fact they have lost their congregation

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  • Honestly, did we ever have a true opposition? If so, please tell me when snd who lead the opposition.

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    • *and *led

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    • How dare you Ryan oneill that is libel however it this case I forgive you . Sticks and stones and all that , but I warn you to chasten your responses . I stand by everything I say my comment are Bourne out of intense study . Fortunately I am not a mediocre man such as you . I hold a high office in public service and I am highly versed in all aspects of the law and historical facts. I will not be brow beaten with lies and propaganda or be accused of such heinous crimes . You do a disservice to the small number of abused people. Fortunately I know you wouldn’t have the courage to make such accusations to my face.

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  • Liam Christ never intended any branch is christianity to run a country did he not say render to Cesar the things that are Cesar’s and to God the things that are God’s.the main point of the article says nothing new the phrase an Electorate gets the Government it deserves certainly applies to us.We re elected Ahern in 07 when it was obvious that the Economy was in deep trouble.We listened to Ahern’s promises because it was what we wanted to hear.Several good people warned what was coming but they were branded as traitors.Politicians now have four objectives,
    1 Get elected.
    2 Get into Government
    3. Become a Minister
    4. Keep the job long enough to qualify for the pension.
    If a new party arrived with powerful policies we would still vote on which side Grandad fought in the Civil War .

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  • A party to represent taxpayers and not tax takers perhaps? This government will not cut core civil service cost and seems to be happy to luxuriate in their splendid offices while business and workers keep shovelling their hard earned tax into this inefficient and outdated system.

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    • Liam, in a word you scare me. Its truly frightening to think that you can actually believe the tripe you are spewing. Real name or pseudonym, it doesn’t matter. You have obviously been thoroughly brainwashed by the very organisation you are trying to promote. The cover of abuse has been exposed, the victims scared but thankfully brave enough to come forward and reveal the trauma they endured. Now tell me, was everyone of them agents for the far left, secretly deposited into the hands of vile paedophilic priests in some bizarre attempt to undermine your church. Your church is trying to rebuild in the face of a tired and enlightened public, ironically its task is being utterly destroyed by people like you.
      “If it was so wide scale and such a serious crime why aren’t all the those members of the faith locked up ?”
      Well that is an easy one to answer, the church removed priests from the parishes in which the abuse was being carried out, moved them out of the jurisdiction of this country, and because from the inception of this state the church had a powerful hand in the running of this country, which of course aided the continued cover ups. What organisation built on fear, control and money would admit to these abuses…None. And what god fearing people would admit to seeing it happen for fear of retribution from people like you. Answer’s on a post card please.

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  • Aaron, you make a good point. I believe a critical part to change all of this, reduce the number of TDs and Senators, make them accountable and transparent in all they do. We need to encourage people who really way to make a difference in our political system rather than people who want to get elected for their own gains. We need experienced professionals, not just people who can take a career break and do this for then nice salary, expenses, perks and pension. We also need to move away from just a local focus, we need TDs to think about the country as a whole. Many TDs believe they are successful if they just do things for their local area and not worry about the national interest.

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    • Noddy fingers is that your real name or are you afraid to use your true name ? I stand by my convictions I use my real name. I live in Galway . I have degrees in higher education and am an expert on religion , philosophy , politics and economics. I am over educated and underemployed , but I intend to change the latter . What are your credentials coward?

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    • I’m one of god’s children, just like you Liam.

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    • Liam – if, as you say, faith is the answer to all our problems, why has the church fallen so far?
      Why, when the country had a lot more faith did we not have the utopia of which you speak?
      Why when you say ‘
      what has dragged this country down is the pandering to left wing drivel and propaganda . This has eroded the power of the church and created the situation which exists today.’ – did your god allow this to happen? Why did he do that? (it is a fair question since you spout on about how powerful god is and how he loves us all)

      Why do you, with all your supposed higher learning believe that ‘ Lets make ,it a crime to make false statements against the protectors of the one true church punishable by imprisonment. When the rule of the church is restored then their will be a utopia for all the children for all the children of Ireland’.
      That statement shows pig ignorance – not reasoned thinking.
      It sounds very much like something the Taliban would say

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  • Stroke journalism that and stroke pollitics ruination of this country .Maybe we should have leave MR EUROPE rule us from far far away land plenty accountability there as we can see.Lets stick with FG/L and be like Albania a nice thought that .SF are not credible to Aaron but are credible to a majority in the North are them people just thick do they not have the intellect like us great scholars of pollitics down south .The corruption and non accountability of succesive Governments of the last 20 yrs would strike me as a wake up call to the electorate as to who they listen to in media circles who whole heartedly endorsed corruption and jobs for the boys.To insinuate that Pearse Doherty and Peadar Toibin dont know how to use a calculator makes me question Aarons credibility .There is usually an attack after a positive move by SF like a jobs and growth stimulus package that was laid out this week.Its starting to become a boorish cycle by now and an insult to peoples intelligence to dismiss a party that alot of people vote for and are thinking about voting for as simple minded thugs that cant use a calculator ridiculous really.Credibility is usually based on job performance in which FF/FG/L/GP have absolute 0% credibility i know because i live in what you could only call a farce of a country that they have systematically ran into the ground and ther’es more to come.Journalism has a tiny fraction of credibility left lets not ruin it for them Aaron.Asleep at the wheel during the boom they were or maybe they were’nt ;) .

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  • The fact that he’s implying that FG are a party of honesty is laughable. I’m fully aware that the job of TDs in opposition is just that; to oppose the Government. However, to imply that this party is honest is ridiculous given the lies they told to get elected, i.e. when they were IN opposition, eg. the Five Point Plan,”Not One Red Cent” etc. Left a vacuum…? Dont make me fcuking laugh mate

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    • FG are more honest than FF but that isn’t a compliment. FF are one of the most corrupt parties in European history. Neither of them however are capable of putting the good of the country above themselves.

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    • FG are only ‘more honest’ than FF because they’ve only been in office a short term. Believe me, had they held the helm as long as FF, then they would be AS corrupt or MORE corrupt! Stroke pulling, self serving puppets!

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  • Sinn fein ‘aren’t credible’?

    isn’t that for the voter to decide?

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  • Fine Gael were so good in opposition that they offered cuts in stamp duty to an already inflated property bubble just like FF and those economic geniuses in the PDs.Why does’nt he pick up the phone to Michael McDowell he sounds just like him.

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  • let’s get this straight you want an opposition as long as it doesn’t have any policies that are different to fine Gael, the PD’s or Fianna Fail. Basically you want more of the same but in a new pretty new wrapper.

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  • Sounds good. I wish someone would setup a new party. But it’s just the usual hot air. This guy lives in my area and I’ve only ever heard of him through his articles on the journal.ie.

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  • I agree with the entire article, it is not the first time this has been highlighted, it won’t be the last I suspect, I believe the problem is the actual political system

    It is a system in which you need to master the art of clientism/parish pump politics, and so it attracts the personlaities that master that art

    When is the last time any politician inspired anyone? we can all see now how similar FF/FG/Lab are, but how many of us are actually suprised?

    It will never change as those three parties ( the troika as I like to refer to them as) have a grip on power that they will never let go of, we will have to fight to gain control of our republic again, by fight I mean thru the ballot box,

    The troika will never loosen control, which is why the only political reform that is up for the discussion is getting rid of the Seanad, which, while a waste of money in its current form, was not the house that did all the damage

    That is why Labour had no problem hosting their think-in in a 5 star hotel, that is why politicians continue to abuse the expenses system ( which by the way is preferential fraud ) it is why pre electoral promises are abandoned, this system is producing political fat cat millionaires ( minister pensions are worth millions) despite the systematic failure of these ministers

    I can assure you, and I suspect most of us realise it anyway, all that political failure ( emmigration/suicide/depression/corruption/incompentancy) that we are aware of, is probably only half of the story…

    The only people who can change this system are those incompentant politicians…

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    • Very good point Eric, I would change the last line, we “the people” can change this not out current incompetent and self serving politicians but we “the people” never actual go and do anything about it. :-(

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    • Very good point Eric, I would change the last line, we “the people” can change this not our current incompetent and self serving politicians but we “the people” never actual go and do anything about it. :-(

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    • God gave man free will to do as he will . He will only interfere on the day of judgement when he decides the faith of your soul for your actions in this life. You would do well to be mindful of that. It is never to late to repent . Jesus loves you no matter how much you deny him. He will always welcome back the prodigal son. Forgive them father for they know not what they do ! I will pray for your soul and that your eyes may be opened to the vitriolic propaganda in these posts .

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    • My last post was an answer to Dave Harris but applies equally to all. I’m not out to make enemies it is my duty as a Christian to help others see the light and bathe in the joy of salvation that is The Lord Jesus Christ and his holiness gods representative on earth . I know you who oppose me are not bad people just misguide through powerful propaganda which is no fault of your own . There is a dark force at work in the world and it is not the church or its congregation who are a force for good. Please stop attacking the church . Open your eyes.

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    • Hold an a fcuking second here! Stop attacking the church? The ‘church’ did nothing to stop the rape, physical and mental abuse of young boys and girls, YOU and your church abide by the wrong doings of peadophile priests. It’s people like YOU Liam who make me physically sick to the stomach. You are defending a dead institution based on heresay and fallacy nothing more. Peadophile lover!

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    • Liam
      Your last post was not an answer to my posts, it was just more of your religious crap. Answer my questions or reply to my posts if you want to pretend you have any credibility

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  • Misguided article. Should be about why all our politicians aren’t challenging the troika.

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    • Liam politics is a man made concept and you can’t separate man from God . Therefore religion is extremely important in religion. Typical of atheists to deprive political rights to good religious people . People who help build society and its values .

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  • Liam I am neither an atheist (nearly every week I staunchly defend the Christian church in this publication)nor left wing.I am a practicing Christian though I have studied other faiths to get a better understanding of what others believe and hopefully make me more tolerant,you should try it.Your rants and name calling is totally contrary to Christian teaching though you say you are catholic your utterances are definatley not Christian,Extreemism in any form has no place in a tolerant society.Christians follow Christ teaching of love tolerance and understanding,by the way I d not misquote scripture read the Bible word for word I am correct.

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  • Liam how dare you say I know nothing about my claims..you know nothing about me or my education..I have read extensively on the subject.
    Your beloved church has a despicable past, supporting racism, fascism ,slavery ,torture and murder and corruption in its name. Not to mention Paedophilia which you are denying…all lies you say…your simply unbelievable and its an appalling insult to the victims of this horrific crime.
    Not to mention the churches current stance on contraception and gay rights and the brainwashing and poisoning of young children’s minds
    Your outdated beliefs have no place in modern Ireland, your better off popping along off to your GREEDY glorious pie in the sky afterlife sooner rather than later

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  • @Ronan_Murphy what political Party do you support or are you simply just a hurler on the ditch

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  • Best thing I’ve read in years.

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    • Yeah, tired clichés and nothing new!

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    • I don’t remember Ireland having low taxs I could have sworn we were one of the highest in the eu fiasco

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    • I dunno. He lost me when he said that Fine Gael used to be great in Opposition. I don’t remember that. I remember them being useless in on the opposition benches as they voiced very little concern to Fianna Fáil’s onward march, but not as flipping dangerous as they’ve turned out to be in government.

      Sorry Aaron, but your article turns out to be extremely populist in its sentiment. Nothing to offer, just the usual Sinn Féin bashing.

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    • A common theme in the author’s articles is that he criticises tax increases and the government “taxing the oxygen out of the country”. Yet he always fails to mention:

      a) That the proportion of spending cuts to tax increases is 2:1.
      b) That the alternative to tax increases is spending cuts.

      So I’m assuming he believes the new party should campaign on having 100% spending cuts, but the fact he doesn’t say is disingenuous.

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    • Is that the same Fine Gael that could have taken out Bertie during the whip around revelations? The crowd led by Enda Kenny that didn’t have the bottle to go in for the kill. And this was before the FF led government made the craziest decision in the history of the state. Enda Kenny was a coward then, and he hasn’t changed one bit.

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    • Any party going for 100% would probably be the equivalent of the Republican Party in the US. No thanks.

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    • If you want good news Sli-Nios-Fearr .com put up a downloadable six point policy doc on creating jobs which isn’t reliant on selling ourselves cheap to foreign investment. As for an up an coming opposition, more works
      to be done but not bad for five months out of the traps. Leaflets heading through the doors soon, as the media only reports on what it wants us to read, listen and see :)

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    • Hope you didn’t waste too much time coming up with the six point policy Martin. Fine Gael have 5 points lying around somewhere that they’re not using, you could have borrowed them…..

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    • When were FG ever a credible party in opposition? ever? They have the worst electoral record of any party of their size in Europe for a reason.

      When were FF ever a credible economic force. Name one other party in Europe that has set so many global records for economic collapse, has bankrupted their economy 3 times in 50 years.

      FF and FG were never credible or capable political parties. They never will be. They are more failed as political parties and ideologies than the Albanian communist party and they are just as detrimental to business and society.

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  • Mr. McKenna hits the nail on the head again.

    “An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenue to balance our budget, just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits”
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy

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    • I beg to differ Norman you clearly have no idea what your talking about what has dragged this country down is the pandering to left wing drivel and propaganda . This has eroded the power of the church and created the situation which exists today. Please go and do some research before you make misguided comments that make you appear foolish

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    • Liam you call me foolish but yet you are incapable of responding directly to my post.

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    • Lough man it is you who are the deluded lunatic . Clearly by your statement and your personal attack shows your ignorance and readiness to believe propaganda. I believe you have very little knowledge of the history of the church and cannot make a statement based on sound facts.

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    • Hunter you really are clueless there is no point responding to my comments nor engaging me in any serious debate as it would be unfair due to my obvious advantage and level of education.

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    • Didn’t Jesus Christ essentially spout lots of left-wing drivel and propaganda?

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    • Liam i choose to lower my vocabalarey for people with intellect like you,so you can understand me without needing the help of others to explain the big words or turn of phrase.I will leave you in you mist ignorance and self delusion and seek common sense comments from higher functioning individuals.

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    • I’m not saying being holy is good for business more like attacking the church and Christian values is bad for business. Get a brain your the silly one.

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  • My ma’s rules: Never take the advice of anyone with more than one chin.

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  • What Aaron actually seems to want is a single party FG government actually. He has basically describe the party, albeit detracting from the Labour alliance, “a government of dichotomy”… and so on. Sign the membership form and get involved. I dare you.

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  • “Straightforward Communists”? Aaron, I don’t think you’re qualified to write these columns, please go back to selling wireless routers

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  • Typical when all else fails attack FF ..
    There is nothing new in this article than I haven’t read here over the previous eighteen months people who write these posts always omit one thing that us a solution they bring plenty of problems to the table but next time try bringing a few solutions .

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    • Fair point Mark but you have to agree FF are not much of an opposition at the moment?

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    • Whatever Yeh validity of your point Tom, it still doesn’t take away from the main one that the article is just a rehash of everything we know out there bow, just collating it in one place without really giving us wither a different option or at least delving into the opposing views that the various other parties have and giving them a decent critique. It’s all well and good blowing smoke and saying how terrible it all is and how terrible everyone’s made of their job, how about focusing in on any potential alternatives, how about trying to piece together a plan from all the various policy proposals out there and give solutions rather than regurgitating all the negative crap we know is there.

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    • Whatever the validity of your point Tom, it still doesn’t take away from the main one that the article is just a rehash of everything we know out there bow, just collating it in one place without really giving us wither a different option or at least delving into the opposing views that the various other parties have and giving them a decent critique. It’s all well and good blowing smoke and saying how terrible it all is and how terrible everyone’s made of their job, how about focusing in on any potential alternatives, how about trying to piece together a plan from all the various policy proposals out there and give solutions rather than regurgitating all the negative crap we know is there.

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    • FF are not a credible party, due to their past economic performance and corruption but on top of that they have become the comedy hour act. Look at that website for the Property Tax. They had it dated for 2023. Fleming’s rant on the radio was blatant self-promotion and was seen as over the top and planned. They have very few senior voices that can be taken serious. O’Dea, you couldn’t believe a word he says, even if he signed a statement on it. o’Cuiv made a fool of himself, Calleary is too glum and serious – depressing watching him. Martin is viewed as old Bertie school by public. Only McGrath has something going for him. FF are a joke.

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  • Well put!

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  • Daithi 13/10/12 #

    Political parties are just about grabbing as much of the country’s resources for them and their cronies , another one will make no difference to the mass of the population.

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  • There is an opposition, its just that they are so fragmented and the government has such a large majority they can do what they like. I think the real point of the article is not a complaint about the lack of opposition but that the author does not agree with the government but feels that the opposition in their various guides do not represent his POV what ever it might be. The sad reality is that governing is only appealing to a limited audience to get elected. Romney knew what he wad talking about when he made his 47% comments. Governing is all about moving to the centre if you will, the Republicans know this in the US ad shown by Ryans move to the centre much more in tune with Romney. It’s no different here, the only difference now is the edges can make themselves better heard via modern media.

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    • Clever response Conor but nevertheless a paltry contribution . Why don’t you go find something else to do on a Saturday rather than troll here. You make accusations that mirror your own behaviour . Am I the only one that sees this.

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  • your right Breda.

    I reckon Aaron wont at all be happy with today’s event in Sligo where poor oul Enda received a hammering from the little people.

    is the tide beginning to turn?

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  • I seen Liam Foley’s comment’s and I thought he was a troll, then I seen just how much he was writing and realised he was just a tit haha Now as for the article, you know I could have sworn I seen this article last month or at least something very much like it. Not that I disagree with the base messages of the piece, I know Sinn Fein can’t be trusted, I know Fianna Fail are a poor opposition,

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  • I know Labours no balls and Socialists no sense. I know as I’m sure most of the people reading this piece becauce we’ve seen them before. Time and time again on this site and other places. What we don’t know is what to do about it. You mention a new party, yet no suggestions as to how. You say change is and has always been ours to create and make happen, then why hasn’t it happened? Why despite all the clamour for change and reform have the irish people in majority voted for two idealogically aligned parties since the formation of the state and continue to do so. Ask yourself that question Mr. McKenna and when you’ve thought of some answers think about what it may take to overcome the challenegs involved. I would very much so like to see the article you write on that one otherwise I disheartedly await with tired breath the next journal article on Irelands lackluster opposition and need for change. I’m sure it’ll be here for christmas.

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  • So that just leaves FG for you Gavin (surprise surprise). perhaps the next time you might explain your view why SF cant be trusted. Otherwise you are no better that Aaron himself, just throwing out the same oul outdated nonsense with little to back it up.

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  • You said it all there Breda.

    my first impression after reading that article was, this guy Aaron is totally biased against SF or simply hasnt bothered to research the topic he is writing about.

    Either way, he lacks serious credibility and entered into to realms of populist speak himself while saying what he thinks SF is doing up north. If he was serious and bothered to do a wee bit of research, he would quickly learn that there is no comparison with the two situations north and south. The north doesnt have fiscal independence to make the decisions that Dublin does, even in spite of the diktats of the troika.

    Secondly the levels of austerity is in no way comparable to the south and SF in the assembly has ensured its spread around more equally. Perhaps if he is honest and really concerned with justice, Aaron might in future write about the possibility of all the Dublin political parties supporting SF’s campaign in the north to have London grant fiscal independence to the assembly.

    At least after that, they might then be in a position to genuinely attack SF if it fails to deliver or have contrary policies, because right now they genuinely cannot.

    on the positive side of this article -it tells me that if all these so-called experts -and partisan writers cant help but attack SF every time they are in front of a keyboard, then SF must be heading places.

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  • I’d love to know who Aaron McKenna voted for at the last election.

    Something tells me It certainly wasnt a party of the left, and probably was one of those that either created austerity for us in the past and or who is maintaining it now.

    Perhaps he is still morning the passing of the PD’s?

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    • Well said from 1 Mac to another,not related but sure think alike,i reckon Aaron voted FG and was hoping would get an overall majority,must be a happy man cos they might as well have with the bow down behaviour of Labour,our country is on its knees,wrecked,bankrupt and as a mother i want it sorted for next generation of Macs so im not bias i was reared better,im voting for SF next election as i did previous one because unlike Aaron i have my own mind and a good memory ,i will never forget planning tribunals,Moriarty tribunal,galway tents,E voting machines,Thornton hall,good economists not political mouthpieces been told commit suicide etc,etc like yourself i want real change

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  • Liam, I recall a time when a threat of I’ll send the priest for you, put a hell off a lot more fear into me than being threatened with the police.

    In light of the churches sex abuse scandals, I fully understand why kids were more frightened of priest over police.

    I shudder thinking about an island ran by sex monsters tbh.

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  • To be fair Fine Gael is in coalition with Labour. Compromise had to be found on the tax:cuts ratio and sadly Labour in government meant more tax increases than Fine Gael would have liked. That was what the people voted for.

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    • That is true the people did vote for that ..its a sad sad situation..sorry seems to be the hardest word.

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    • Cillian 13/10/12 #

      Unfortunately though David, Fine Gael giving into Labour has only created greater economic hardship for the country in the long run. Which serves the Fine Gael parliamentary party perfectly, but unfortunately the taxpayer and the unemployed get left out in the cold.

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  • very well put, sums up where we are right now, read it!

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  • What we need is a party to put religion back into Ireland to restore respect and love of the teachings of Christ. To put manners on all those who dare to attack the very essence of religious purity. All organisations of the true faith should pool together and fight against the anti church propaganda.lets make Ireland the holiest country in the world again . Lets make ,it a crime to make false statements against the protectors of the one true church punishable by imprisonment. When the rule of the church is restored then their will be a utopia for all the children for all the children of Ireland.

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    • I can see a hunger for a new beginning and we know the church can feed that hunger. Pay no attention to anti church propaganda such as inflated stories about child abuse And the laundries etc. We all know it wasn’t bad as it was made out to be . Maybe there were one or two cases but those priests have been punished.lets move on now and build a new Ireland .

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    • The last thing children need is the “church” ruling the country again.Didn’t work out so well the first time now did it?

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    • You must be joking Liam. The corruption and abuse uncovered in the catholic church would embarrass the mafia.

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    • I assume you are Roman Catholic even though the tripe you just spewed on to this page is incredibly similer to that of a islamic fundamentalist. If u are a troll I say bravo, if however you are a real person who actually believes that shit then you deserve to be locked away from society. you are a lunatic.

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    • Laim there is a law in Germany which means if you deny the holocaust you can end up in prison.You have offered an excuse to enact a law that carries a term in prison for denying child abuse was widespread here.

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    • You Sir are the worst type of lunatic. Try fundamentalist islam, it seems to fit with the shite you just puked onto this site. You are exactly the reason people turn their back on religion. if your taking the piss however, I say bravo, fine impression of a nutcase.

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    • Clearly the neo liberal uneducated left wing plebiscites are out in force this morning.

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    • No Liam just people who are disgusted with deluded fools who try to protect and justify one of the most insidious organisations that ever exsisted.

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    • Have to disagree, religion is a personal thing and nothing to do with government. I respect anyone having a religious beliefs but it can’t and must not have any involvement or influence in the running of the state.

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    • I expect many thumbs down the majority were against Christ when he first started out yet his church has survived over two thousand years. This shows old ideas work and are successful. New liberal ideas are a contradiction they erode rights not support them.

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    • Norman if the church was ruling the country none of this debacle would have happened. You make silly comments. The church never ruled Ireland . That’s the problem

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    • McQuaid ring any bells Liam?

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    • Sean Keene all lies propagated by left wing propaganda . Like the former user tried to pin atrocities at jasenovic concentration camp on the church. It’s all communist propaganda. Making statements like you have shows your gullible .

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    • Sean Keene all lies propagated by left wing propaganda . Like the former user tried to pin atrocities at jasenovic concentration camp on the church. It’s all communist propaganda. Making statements like you have shows your gullible .

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    • I disagree Tom Keating religion should not be kept from politics. Your view is quite simplistic. All successful countries have had religion at their forefront whilst all none religious ones such as the former USSR fail.

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    • Liam, my view is not simplistic, I just value a state that is free from religious interference, it’s the best for all and encourages tolerance of people of different faiths to live together rather that coexist in superiority / inferior cat and mouse that drives separation and hate for each other. Don’t get me wrong I understand how important religion is for people, there is a place for it and that is in private.

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    • What we need Liam is for you and your belief in invisible sky fairies well away from any running of the state.
      Religion has had it’s go and it lost

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    • religion is for church not for government,

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    • Ha ha great wind up Liam.

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    • What many people fail to remember is that there are a billion plus Catholics in this world. That’s a lot of spending power. If you want Ireland to break away from the church then you are also ostracising the faithful . The many faithful who visit this country and do business with us on a large scale purely because we are a predominantly catholic country. Erode the influence of the church and you lose it’s protection and expose the country to even greater poverty. This is what left wing anticatholics and labour politicians propose we should do. It’s is better to be safe within the folds of the church than to hang precariously at the edge and lose everything . It would be far worse for Catholics and none Catholics alike . Hopefully this may sink in to some very thick narrow minded skulls. We are a tiny nation and we need all the help we can get . A pro Christian catholic government is the only way to go . This is not trolling this is fact.

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    • Liam – now you are just being silly.
      After all of your previous statements and arguments you now want to say we should all be holy because its good business?

      If we follow that logic we should legally sell drugs to everyone – there’s millions of drug users about – we would make loads of money

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  • Yes we all already know all of this but who is going to do something about it. To be honest I would vote for any politician at this stage who would be willing to take a massive pay cut and live on the current starting teachers / nurses salary so that they could understand the realities of life for the rest of us while also saving the tax payer millions!

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    • Joanne starting nurses,teachers will earn less than av ind wage because of Croke Park,Croke Park was designed to protect the highearners salaries and pensions and thats why SF voted against it,Aaron does not say that in his article now we will have a 2 tier public sector with starting teachers,garda and nurses on low incomes to pay the huge pensions of highearners already within,SF also take home the av ind wage the rest they donate to the party you probably wonder why they do this,it keeps them in touch with how most irish people actually live and survive but it also prevents the party relying on large corp donations,donations from developers ie. Galway tent or relying on funding from SIPTU whose leader Jack O Connor along with Bertie Ahern and Dermot McCarthy(top civil servant retired on lump sum 700,000 nd 120,000 PA) has caused huge inequality in wokforce with benchmarking,you see Joanne Aaron McKenna likes to write negative things about SF he runs with the herd and now we all know it was a herd mentality that brought this country to its knees,this same herd attacked Morgan Kelly and the likes of David MCwilliams when they spoke out against property boom,im not telling you how to vote but listen to politicians like Pearse Doherty,Peader Tobin and Marylou McDonald and dont just run with the herd,

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    • Excellent comment Breda.

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  • I bet you don’t speak like this in front of your parents

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  • I wouldn’t align myself with their pathetic excuse of a leader who had the audacity to attack the holiest man on the planet in a dail speech in order to further his own career and his blatant arrogance to use his phone for some trivial purpose whilst being addressed by his holiness . A pox upon him and his party. Typical oneill how you try malign and distort peoples views about me. Keep shouting insults from behind the curtain . We all know your there and we all know your a coward who tries to excrete false propaganda.

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    • What discussions are they Dave . If you think I am a troll so be it . Your opinion is irrelevant . I am the only one who uses my real name unlike the rest of you . I am we’ll respected on the web for my knowledge on historical religious economic and political issues . I live openly in the west of Ireland and am not afraid to express my views to anyone. I do a greater service to society in my day to day work than any of you can ever imagine with your thick skulls and low foreheads

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    • Liam i am reposting my comment as i await a response. Now if you could refrain from referring to yourself as an intellect of superior intelligence and addressing everyone else as dullards or low brow as it sounds remarkably reminiscent of one moustachioed Austrian who likened non Germanic people to sub intelligent, and lets not forget where that ended up. So i await your balanced response…….

      Liam, in a word you scare me. Its truly frightening to think that you can actually believe the tripe you are spewing. Real name or pseudonym, it doesn’t matter. You have obviously been thoroughly brainwashed by the very organisation you are trying to promote. The cover of abuse has been exposed, the victims scared but thankfully brave enough to come forward and reveal the trauma they endured. Now tell me, was everyone of them agents for the far left, secretly deposited into the hands of vile paedophilic priests in some bizarre attempt to undermine your church. Your church is trying to rebuild in the face of a tired and enlightened public, ironically its task is being utterly destroyed by people like you.
      “If it was so wide scale and such a serious crime why aren’t all the those members of the faith locked up ?”
      Well that is an easy one to answer, the church removed priests from the parishes in which the abuse was being carried out, moved them out of the jurisdiction of this country, and because from the inception of this state the church had a powerful hand in the running of this country, which of course aided the continued cover ups. What organisation built on fear, control and money would admit to these abuses…None. And what god fearing people would admit to seeing it happen for fear of retribution from people like you. Answer’s on a post card please.

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  • The Irish people don’t care about politics that is evident by poor poll turnouts year on year. Lets see those numbers rise with a new party based on catholic principles.

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