The stories of mis-treatment of immigrants in places like UAE, Qatar & KSA are disgusting. However if you dare to criticise these countries, you get accused of islamophobia. Most Saudis are good people but it seems that if you are well connected out there you really can get away with everything.

After living in the Middle East and working for rich locals I would say that most of it has nothing to do with Islam. It is basically greed and racism. They have so much money they do not care about the poor in any way and treat them like vermin. It is their lifestyle of excess that kills.

Am I missing something? It says she was only 17, when in 2005 she was charged with….. and she was executed last month, so she would have been about 24/25 at the time of her execution? The headline says “17 year old girl be-headed?

@Jamie…..they have obviously rectified the mistake after consulting the accounting department

Yes indeed, Ferg. Where is the outrage at this ? The silence on it is shocking. Her murder wasn’t pretty we can be assured of that. The terror she must have felt. So much for the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. A barbaric country by all accounts.

Sharia law will be here in Ireland soon according to the muslim guys handing out leaflets and looking for converts outside the GPO every Saturday. Saudi Arabia which promotes an extreme form of sunni Islam is exporting it’s ideology around the world. They use their petro-dollars to build mosques in western democracies and to promote their 7th century version of the world. A world where people are stoned to death, women are slaves and hands are cut off. A world where democracy is replaced by a theocracy ruled by unelected imams.

@Dubliners Against clamping

Have you seen this video on youtube?
Please tell me we’re not going to see the like of this in Ireland anytime soon!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3xqtP0Pv0Y

Where are you guys coming from with terms like ….allegedly and presumption of innocence. The girl was found to be guilty in the Courts and admitted the murder of a helpless baby while explaining that she had carried out the act in a rage after an argument with the mother.
In the past few days we have seen demands for a rapist to be neutered and his wife who has not been accused of any crime to be jailed and here we are creating a hullabaloo over a death sentence for murder.

Mark some of the comments you leave on the Journal are disgusting.

She did not allegedly kill a baby, she was found guilty of killing the baby.

@ Michael Burke. That idea has already been mooted on the Islamic Vanguards website in an article dated January 18 entitled “Muslim Patrols aim to Clean up Muslim areas in the UK – why not here?”

http://islamicvanguards.com/?p=376

In a country wedded to rashers, sausages and bacon there is little chance of Sharia law coming in anytime soon

@ Joan… That’s just the kind of person mark is …. DISGUSTING

Mark & Pharmyco, the reason I said allegedly is that I’m not entirely convinced that Saudi Arabia is a bastion of justice. I wouldn’t trust a verdict. Yes she was found guilty and she probably was but a country that consistently treats women as second class citizens cannot be trusted in how they treat them. Women are still not allowed to drive there amongst countless other oppressions they face.
My point is not that the girl shouldn’t have faced justice, but slicing her head off at the age of 17 is not a way to do it and it just points to a widespread epidemic of misogyny.

In fairness Joan, I’m sure he’s not personally disgusting, probably a very nice bloke…all I said was some of his remarks etc were disgusting, just to clarify!

@joan what part of his comment did you find disgusting? There’s nothing in that’s not 100% true.

@Dubliners Againstclamping, You are deadly right. Few weeks ago I was chatting with the lads beside GPO. Everything started nice when I introduced my self as I have a Muslim name. Then absolutely terrifying conversation! The blond one was claiming that democracy is a western imposition to corrupt the Islam. Especially the way how the western women dress up, homosexuality, freedom of speech even elections!… they were all satanic-chiristian- western corruption according to him. He was saying that the Sheria Law is the only way to stop the social corruption. Moreover, he said that the stronger one will survive in the name of Allah, so the whole world will be united under Islam. At the end I told the guy that’s why I am not a Muslim anymore then he wished me good luck in the hell when i left the spot:) In the meantime poor innocent old woman was getting so excited when she saw the leaflet with the Hadj photo on and saying ‘aw lovely…’

From what I gather by his comment he’s saying we are all getting bothered by a girl being executed, yet calling for all sorts of things to be done to Patrick O as a result of the rape of his daughter…I for one think justice was, eventually and rightly so, done in the rape case…execution is barbaric, end of, so I personally don’t see his point.

You believe justice was done in the rape case? How so? Your idea of justice and mine must be miles apart.

A couple of points on the Rizana Nafeek case:
1. She said Her confession was beaten out of her with a belt, she had no lawyer present when she signed it and denied it to her grave.
2. There was no postmortem on the baby.
3. She had no translator present at her trial
4. The judges ignored inconsistencies between her employers account and the confession.

It’s amazing how people judge one life over another.
Earlier in the week a 56 yr old woman was sentenced to death for smuggling drugs into Bali most journal commenters felt she deserved this result… in this case a woman was also sentenced to death for allegedly smothering a child yet people are appalled!! I believe death isn’t the answer

Not as violent as the Bible and nothing at all wrong with people believing in something, especially those that need comfort and peace. Buddhism is not losing any battle either.

Hitchens, the ould bolix, makes people feel guitly for having any faith and belief, which can be important in a commercial world.

When that belief turns fanatical, now there’s a problem.

The bible is also a violent book but I am unaware of any people reading the bible being involved in a holy war on a global scale. Yes the bible is violent but the quran is even more violent.

@theHeathen: A country is ruled by a religious book: Quran…
Eye for an eye is a main principle in criminal prosecution and stoning people to death for their sexual choice is ruled by it and you are saying that it’s not violent!? No need to talk about Hadiths talking about 72 teenage ‘lolitas’ for a man in heaven and poligamy is allowed for men… Sometimes ppl are confusing being anti-christian and atheist. As a former Muslim, non-religious individual, Quran is the most violent and sexist ‘fiction’ i have ever read. Btw, even Buddhism is violent sometimes, as long as you are not tolerant and don’t get rid off bloody dogmas, any belief would be violent and offensive! So any time I spent to type a comment for religion is a big waste!

Learn to read. I never said it wasn’t violent and I never said Buddhism was peaceful. I said it was not losing a battle against reason. Eye for an eye is straight from the Bible.
Indonesia, having the largest Muslim population should, by following your logic, be a rabid hellhole. It has many problems that stem from economics and revolution, but is a country that is open, with beautiful people and some craic.
I believe if you follow ballbag Hitchens you’re just as bad as a religious fanatic by making people guilty for their faith, religion and beliefs.

Hitchens does not make you feel guilty. He does not advocate for the complete distruction of religion quiet the opposite. However he does set out in simple terms that religion makes extra ordinary claims without evidence & he also points out that religion & superstition makes good normal people do crazy sh1t. He was a very tolerant man with many friends that were religious people. He can speak with authority on this as he has visited the countries that have been affected by religious extremism & reported from there. If you believe islam has not been damaged by reason or the intenet I suggest you listen to former muslims on it including people Ayan Hirsi Ali.

@TheHeathen: No need to be aggressive, just saying my own observations. Apparently you have no idea about Indonesian history (talking about 90s when ppl were chopping their heads coz of religion). The conflicts stopped by de-Islamisation of the government by adding non-muslims. As you might observed, each religion has own territory there.
As a person who observed arab-spring in the middle east I don’t think that Muslim countries will be good craic any more, which is very sad for the intellectuals there. Unfortunately while the west is getting more secular, the middle eastern countries like Turkey, Egypt, Libya etc. are getting more in to religion.

The Quran is the most violent religious book out there. It’s way worse than the Bible.

No, bandido anuso. The comments are not that. No again re calling for capital punishment if the victim were an Irish child. The fate that poor wee girl faced was barbaric & slicing off her head was totally wrong in every sense. The cruelty of it is what I am commenting on & her murder is equally reprehensible.

I know, its gas. If someone smothered a baby over here people would be calling for their heads. The line under the headline is very misleading too (attempt to pull the heartstrings?), was the person not 17 in 2005 when the were charged making the actual age about 24?

Absolutely Declan.
Bandido, I don’t think many people in Ireland advocate the death penalty. Sure we’d have garlic importers hung and rapists set free. Our justice system needs a radical overhaul too but it looks exceptional in comparison to Saudi Arabia. And saying that it was alluded to that being Muslim is worse than being a child killer is a complete misreading of the comments.
James; she was a child when she committed the crime. Doesn’t matter how old she was when she was executed. She was 17 when the incident happened, not 24.

That’s not what it says up there. You’re probably one of the people that says seventeen yearolds should be aloud to vote so you can’t have it both ways.

I don’t know the details of the case but another perspective from a Criminal Law aspect: what if she was innocent!? Her head was chopped off, you can’t put it back! So that’s why I am strongly against of death penalty. Under ‘Beyond a reasonable doubt’ still 1% doubt exists… See timothy Evan’s story who was executed in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

James, when you say comments like this

“You’re probably one of the people that says seventeen yearolds should be aloud to vote so you can’t have it both ways”

it kinda negates anything you say as it’s a straw man argument. You can’t possibly assume what I believe in relation to 17 year olds voting and it’s completely besides the point.

Not really. If you believe someone should be treated as an adult, then they should. Go on, tell me should they be able to vote at 17?