Exactly! Why not some more urgency too??

Is it a battle he could win?
I get the feeling it’s just not going to happen.

So he can’t actually take the case because he’s not a TD and TDs can’t join the case to give it proper standing? Somebody, somewhere doesn’t want this case going ahead….

He can’t because he is not a TD and its too late for the TDs to join a case as per our legal system. Its the highest court in the land and I think its highly improper for anybody to suggest they are told how to rule or influenced by anybody in the background. The TDs must take their own case at this late stage. It should have been the TDs taking the case anyway – all talk, no action. Its odd, Sinn Fein usually jump at the chance to go into court – but I suppose its a few years from an election to give a damn.

There’s no way that any judge in Ireland is going to rule this deal illegal.

This gov. like the last gov. is representing the Banksters, not you and me.

When are the people goin to cop on this is no democracy decisions like this from the judiciary is another argument for people who believe we should be all carrying guns there is no justice only for the political classes and their bankers and buddies

If you are David Hall , thank you for standing up to these people. They have their laws to protect them but they cannot keep the wolf from the door for long. I think there is a saying “there are only three things you cannot hide for long and that is the SUN, THE MOON and the TRUTH !!

hahaha its not the best david

Thank you,

or cometh the time ..cometh the man..i hope you are that man.

well done Mr. Hall….. for bringing the case …. thank you on behalf of my children! …..
what I like about your photo is that you look tired and worried … unlike some we could mention! …
I know that this is not over by a long shot …I salute you!

Thanks, yes it not over and it has been and will be a long road.

with regard the road …as one of your attempted appellants said on the night of the deal ….it’s a long road without a turn …………….. Don’t worry the end is in sight , I have a feeling that a mortgage strike is on the way anyway ….all corruption succeeds until the oppressed reach critical mass ! Right is right and wrong is wrong …simple!

Well done David for attempting to right this terrible wrong!

Taxes, Levies, charges, fees and cuts???

It’s the old roman system …gladiators were always very important to entertain the masses ….Ireland is fundamentally different however because of the G.A.A…….Hurling is the ancient battle training of the Fianna …it is for this reason that it is amateur! ………. duty to kin is a fundamental link among all irish people …it’s our sense of humour that is our achilles heel …but then again there are not too any people laughing now …change is inevitable !

I am not an expert either but agree we must know the truth and also remember the act that created the promissory note is what I’m challenging and it still exists , so further bailout or promissory note could be raised with no Dail vote

if I may interject…the irish constitution is very clear on the law …….. the organs of the state glean their very existence from the will of the people …there are very clear rules as regards how the country should be run….it is the very bedrock of society!………..
it was written by a genius ….. there is one blatant flaw and it was exposed by the end of the cowen government …..how to remove a government that has ran amok…… …the traditional way to deal with this has been to march…… as in Bulgaria today……..
I like to think that the few issues regarding this issue could and only will be dealt with in this the digital age ….
I am not an expert either but I can read …………. and I am not prepared to accept some mumbo jumbo from dail eireann…. those days are gone like the dinosaur ………..In a way I feel sorry for the old men of Dail eirreann ..in a way they exist inside a cocoon …… I have little sympathy however for those new T.D.’S who will not , as I see it, do the right thing!…. the media and it’s regular darlings have alot to answer for but that is hanging too!

The real issue for this hurler on the ditch is that he doesn’t want to risk the cost of a High Court challenge. Watch him slinking away now as is usual for this individual.
As long as he remains up in the Daily gallery on a perch like a hungry vulture, he can whinge and whinge but when push comes to shove he’s gone!

Richard ….. why would a judge have to pay for a high court challenge? …are there judges joining this case too ? And if they are in the dail gallery who’s running the legal system? That’s an awful thing to say about our hurlers on the ditch! …they’re judges appointed by the taoiseach …I thought you would have some respect for that alone! ……

don’t loose heart …the most important issue with regards this case is not the result but the way the judicary handle the case ! …That’s the real issue ….. If they back the government then fair enough …… that’s their choice ..that’s their bet as it were ….. but the queens horse fell yards from the finish line …always remember that !

Great comment Sir, issue of Local standi also vitally important as could be a raps block to other citizens wanting to take a constitutional challenge hence it needs to be appealed to the Supreme Court which I will do. If I win back to the high court to finish the case (1day as 4 already heard) if I loose case over and TDS can take up the running . No point them starting a case until local standi determined. My case took 9 months to start.

I admire your courage and willingness to stand when so many won’t well done Mr Hall.

@ David Hall, there are few patriots, few unselfish, entirely principled and public interested persons in Ireland. You are one of those few. I respect what you did in New Beginning and in the marvellously clear and enlightened approach you have taken to mortgage debt. This country owes you immense admiration and appreciation for the wonderful work that you do.

One of the few beneficial side effects of times of crisis is that it brings out people who have vision, compassion, decency and seek the best welfare of their fellow citizens.

I heard you on Marian Funucane on Sunday , on Prime Time on Monday night and your occasional articles.

Respect and admiration.

Get a room, boys.

I appreciate that thanks

Thanks

The government are also in trouble with the budget that was discussed in the german parliament ….. unconstitutional for any money bill to be drafted outside the state.

A standing ovation to you, at least you’ve got Balls unlike brENDA!

the difference now is that david hall is not behind a wall!

The same Shane Ross who was a cheer leader for Anglo Irish Bank back in the day and now sees fit to double job it as an Independent TD who’ll never have to take a difficult decision in the Dáil and a journalist with the Sindo rag. The definition of an egotistical populist.

well what good is a trojan horse without soldiers in its belly ?

@ Jonny, impressive reply.

I will second that 100% !!

The way I see the law is this …it’s primary function is the well-being of every citizen …..
What this means in effect, to me, is that it is the law’s ultimate function to turn enemies into adversaries …if it fails then it turn adversaries into enemies …..to extend this a little bit ….the reason criminals use guns to settle their arguments is because they know/think that the law is not functioning properly …. revolving door ! ……could be wrong of course but that is the way I see it ! That is why I feel that this is the single most important case in the history of the state to date …………. for more reasons than need to be written!

I’ll donate.
Love to see that happen.

Adebayo would donate.

Adebayo.

@ Gordon, much appreciated. Thank you for the link. Nothing like reading the original judgment by Judge McMenamin and others.

No date yet, first step is a priority application in the Supreme Court then into a que and then a date :(

Its the highest court in the land and I think its highly improper for anybody to suggest they are told how to rule or influenced by anybody in the background.

It was also improper for Bertie to tell people who turned out to be right to go and commit suicide …but such is life! this is not about traditional “standings in the community” , this is not about our children even …this is about our grandchildren for God’s sake !

I agree Mary , these people are a disgrace and they flouting it in our faces at the same time…thanks for the information Mary will have a look for sure!

Johnnaton pay no mind to Vincent a usaul FG supporter who would never allow the truth stopping him from telling lies.

@john- ironically, that was exactly the point I made. But shush. Norman doesn’t like to be reminded.

you say fruit I say tomato …that’s democracy.;remember that gentlemen……….

At least they are something westmeath!!! i see you got the anti-debate , anti-democracy bug too…lol you will be voting for Fianna Fail so in the next election right ?

Turn off your tv and radio sorted.

I vote for Fianna Fail? LOL. you are deluded if you think i would vote back in that shower.

@norman- you told me this case was going to prove that the promissory notes were illegal and the sky would fall down on the Government. Most insistent, you were. How’s that train of thought working out for you? Ready to admit you we’re wrong?

@Westmeath well there is only one party left westmeath…and that is the current group of agents for the European cabal !! Fianna Fail, Fianna Gael are two heads from the same body including Labour….Sinn Fein in fairness are at least showing some balls with the independents to tell the Irish people the REAL story but of course we are a moronic two party population that are two scared to vote elsewhere. This not helped by RTE and the other so called FREE MEDIA outlets that spew out mindless arguments that are neither here nor there , what i am trying to say is that that have us all by the balls and they know it very well.

Vincent telling lies again i see ?keep it up.

vincent did the minister for finance not admit they were illegal?

@Vincent
In fairness it’s a bit early to tell what way the case will go yet. This was just to see if the 5 TDs could join as appellants.
I think the Supreme Court still has to hear the appeal on the locus standi issue. If David Hall is found to have legal standing, then it goes back to the High Court, where they will have to rule on the actual arguments he has put forward, rather than unfairly claiming that he has no right to take case.
It looks like the sky won’t fall on the Governments head, but it still could. If the #promnight “deal” falls and Hall wins his Legal Standing appeal, and his subsequent High Court case (or Supreme Court appeal)…. I guess that’s unlikely though.

I assume Vincent you can provide the link to what i said?,i can and reads nothing like what you claim.

@norman- it’s there in black & white for all to see. You don’t like having to stand over things you said, do you?

@frank- the argument was less about legality or illegality (I’m no constitutional scholar) and more to do with my contention that this case was a monumental waste of time vs Normans assertion that it was a game changer. Ordinarily I’d let something like that go, but Norman has been particularly disingenuous and a bit aggressive on this one so calling him out was the best option, I thought. I’m a petty man, Frank. A petty, petty man.

I have no problem Vincent but i say your taking pr lessons from Dr Goebbels “repeat a lie often enough it becomes truth” but then again FG has a fascist past.Still waiting on the link btw.Google it ,easy down i did.:-)

@norman- by all means paste in the link here. The floor is yours….

a waste of time
the minister admitted the notes were illegal on tv or radio

I’m waiting, Norman. You said it was easy?

Vincent here you go “Noonan still chasing ‘good deal’ in promissory note talks.” 30/1/13.Would you like the link to where i called you a liar?31/1/13 my name and yours into google easy done.
Now i’m done with you.

Thought not. It’s ok, Norman. We both knew. Now everyone does. Night now.

Again your reply idiot!

I am outraged by the out rights lies and misinformation spread by Vincent Dolan. He has intentionally misrepresented the High Court and the Supreme Court decisions. He is so devoted to Fine Gael that he tells blatant lies. Sadly, this comment will be deleted and the mistruths of Vincent Dolan will be preserved.

@Norman- I’m happy for you to call me a liar while proving yourself to be one in black & white in the very same post. There’s nothing quite like incontrovertible evidence. It does expose clowns like you. Thanks a million for the link!

But i didn’t prove myself to be a liar as you well know.Look if you want to keep repeating an untruth i will call you a liar on every thread we meet your choice.

I think the case is pretty clear Vincent. Even here you’re repeating the lie that the court has made a decision on the legality of the promissory notes when you know full well they have taken advantage of a technicality to avoid this. And then you start gloating – exactly what have you to gain from this?

Supporters listen to Frank Cluskey on this one ! …a most astute comment Mr. Cluskey ! well done sir!

@censored- can you not read? Should I break it down into one syllable words for you? Perhaps I should use sock puppets or perhaps evoke the medium of interpretative dance to explain it to you in terms simple enough for you to comprehend. My original point and the one I reemphasised here was that the case was a futile exercise. Nothing was ever going to come from it. It would change nothing. I was right. Whether it was legal or not wasn’t my point. As I said, I’m not a constitutional scholar. Sorry. I know constitutional has alot of syllables in it. That was unkind of me.

@norman- seriously. You do make me laugh. How much do you think I care what you post? I mean really. Seriously. You’re some guy with a picture of a kid on your profile patently with delusions of grandeur but lamentably of limited abilities. I’ll lose little sleep. Thanks though. That idea will give me a chuckle today and get me through the day.

Thanks Jonny
great to have you aboard, we need all hands to the pump on this one!!!
David Hall is doing a fantastic job and we as the people need to get behind him.

Another mindless FG troll.

Siobhan to make these comments you must know David Hall very well.All i see is a man willing to stand up for his fellow man.I know what he has,what have you done to help others?

When a citizen of this country reaches 18 years of age he or she has the right to vote and is also an adult in the eyes of the law…If they come through our education system they may know boyles law, they may know all the laws of geometry, they may know how to interpret shakespearian english …but they are never , never taught the law …why is that do you think …… the old addage of mushrooms being fed horseburgers (couldn’t resist apologies) and kept in the dark/ dole !
At least Marie Antoinette mentioned cake …what do we get centuries later …..horse …..we’re too educated for horse! ……….. and ironically enough we have Brian Cowen to thank for our first realisation of this ……
so; no thanks Brian , No thanks enda …we know the truth !