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Teachers say Junior Cert reform plans ‘would do more damage than good’

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A TEACHERS’ UNION has warned that proposals to reform the Junior Certificate exam structure could result in major damage to the Irish education system.

The Teachers’ Union of Ireland believes the plans to reform the exams – which would include limiting students to 8 exam subjects – could be “disastrous” if the new changes are mistimed.

Teachers believe the reforms could mean a drop in student motivation, an increase in indiscipline, and the possibility that students could be ill-prepared for future challenges if the number of exam subjects is limited.

The union argues that limiting students to eight subjects could mean pupils are unable to take the subjects in which they have the most interest or ability.

The idea has been put forward in the hope of reducing exam stress among students – but the TUI believes the reduction could cause greater “collateral damage” by diminishing other aspects of the student experience.

“Furthermore, it is completely unrealistic to expect that critical and productive time would be created to focus on literacy and numeracy skills,” TUI general secretary Peter MacMenamin said.

MacMenamin added that while the union was supportive of general reform, any reforms need to be “educationally sound” and not demand more resources than were available.

The union also expressed unease that classroom allocations may mean some teachers having to set sets of students, some of whom may not be taking the subject at exam level.

“Unwittingly, the measure could deepen inequities in the system as schools with access to more resources could accommodate the students selecting in and out of examination subjects by timetabling other non-examination learning opportunities,” he said.

The rationalisation of exam classes may also mean that some schools would have to drop fringe subjects like Art, Music and Technology, which could have worrying long-term effects.

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  • Stephen G 18/10/11 #
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    Doing more then 8 subjects is counter productive and you can relieve exam stress with 2 words. Continuous Assessment. Our education system is stuck in the dark ages.

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  • Mike Reid 18/10/11 #
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    As you progress through education, your subject numbers go down, the workload jsut increases. limiting the subjects reflects later education a lot better. I also think an IT subject needs to introduced, especially considering everything we use today is some form of computer.

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  • Sean Claffey 18/10/11 #
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    I think reducing the amount of subjects is ridiculous. Children will end up knowing a lot about a select few subjects and nothing about anything else. For example, surprisingly enough I regularly use things I learned in Junior Cert science.

    We need education, not training!

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    • Mike Reid 18/10/11 #
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      After Junior cert you drop Science and then can select Biology, Chemistry or Physics, I think as well, that a fourth General Science which covers a bit of each would be good as well. I agree, of all my school subjects, maths english and science have been by far the most usefull. Also, a bigger push on learning a foreign language, french german etc, should happen. Now living in Germany, i notice how much an extra language can help, especially in opening up more job prospectives.

      If they reduce the subject numbers, they need to make the subjects more general and cover more grounds. It’s a tough one, but i think the whole education system needs to be reformed.

    • Sean Claffey 18/10/11 #
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      Yes, I remember! Again, that makes young children decide on a type of science to learn, instead of giving them a broader knowledge of each subject. It makes sense to specialise at university level, but there is no need for greater specialisation from the age of 12. Children should be educated on a wide variety of subjects before they begin training for a career.

      I don’t see any benefit from only teaching a child physics instead of general science. If a child wants to be a physicist later in life he/she will have to go through the same 3rd level education as somebody who studied biology, but both children will be lacking knowledge they could have attained from the other subjects.

    • Cormac Flanagan 18/10/11 #
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      I did biology, chemistry, French and history for my leaving. And then ended up doing a business course in college.

  • Martin Mc Cormack 18/10/11 #
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    what a surprise, teachers whinging, next they’ll have the students out marching on their behalf

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    • Martin Mc Cormack 18/10/11 #
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      they will definitly need to have teacher “training day’ on the day before the long weekend in order to deal with the stress of it all. they have been back at work since september after all. bring on the snow.

  • Pete Gibson 18/10/11 #
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    Irish teachers never noticed that 15% of the class they were teaching could not read or write.

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  • Pat Ryan 18/10/11 #
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    This is the Junior cert, the point of which is, to my mind, to give one a broad base from which to progress. Limiting subjects means students are going to be forced into restricting their future options earlier. And frankly the junior cert exams aren’t that difficult.

    Is the system perfect? No, but there are more important problems that need dealing with, such as the inadequate numbers of qualified maths teachers, the gap between pass and honours maths being too wide, the ridiculous teacher to student ratios (Which this would only make worse unless it’s fixed first), the lack of any sort of coding/programming subject, the number of schools in the country operating out of prefabs, the lack of accountability or quality standards among teachers, the high number of terrible teachers locked into high paying job-for-life positions while young and potentially better teachers subsist on part time work.

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  • Pete Gibson 18/10/11 #
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    I agree that Honours Maths in the Leaving Cert is designed for a small brainy minority.
    No harm in that.
    The easy pass course should be upped to fry the brains of the pass students a bit more.

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  • Waffler 18/10/11 #
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    should be 5 subjects max, do they think people work 3 or more different types of jobs at once? i wasted half my school life struggling with subjects i had no aptitude for

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    • John 18/10/11 #
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      Unrealistic to assume 12-15 year olds are goin to be able to make a choice of what career they are going to spend their lives in and be tied to only a few subjects as a result..what happens if they change their minds at 17 or 18 what do they do then go back an redo junior cert.??It’s not training it’s education as someone posted earlier

  • eimsley 18/10/11 #
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    Some people are just allergic to change… I dont see any helpful alternatives put forward by the teachers! Just moaning

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