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UCD students vote to leave national students’ union

UCD students vote to disaffiliate from the Union of Students in Ireland, in a major blow to the national umbrella union.

USI president John Logue. Students in Logue's alma mater, UCD, have voted to leave the national union - a major financial blow to USI.
USI president John Logue. Students in Logue's alma mater, UCD, have voted to leave the national union - a major financial blow to USI.
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STUDENTS IN UCD have voted to leave the national umbrella body of student unions, the Union of Students in Ireland.

Students voted by 64.5 per cent to 35.5 per cent to end UCD Students’ Union’s membership of USI.

The vote came despite the support of many of the union’s full-time officers for remaining affiliated to the body, and a deal struck last week between USI and UCD SU president Rachel Breslin to reform USI structures if UCD remained affiliated.

The proposed reforms had included the introduction of direct elections for the USI presidency – replacing the system where presidents are currently elected by delegates to an annual congress – and a review of the affiliation fee structure.

UCD Students’ Union will formally disaffiliate from USI a year from now.

The vote comes one day before a referendum in DCU on whether to rejoin the national union, which it has been outside of for several years.

UCD’s vote is a major blow to the national union, and particularly to its president John Logue, who himself is a former UCD student.

In a statement this afternoon Logue said he felt students were not given the opportunity to hear the full case for remaining within USI, due to referendum rules which prevented USI officers – except those who were themselves former UCD students – from campaigning on campus.

“Throughout the referendum campaign, students who favoured disaffiliation felt that UCDSU should adopt a more local focus for the foreseeable future, in light of its financial difficulties,” he said.

We recognise the unique circumstances in UCD. It’s clear that the decision taken by its students is not reflected in referendum results elsewhere and while we are disappointed to lose their voice from the national union, we respect their decision.

USI, which has had significant financial trouble throughout the last decade, will now be without a near six-figure sum in affiliation fees from the country’s largest university.

UCD Students’ Union has also encountered financial difficulties in recent years, which stood as a major motivating factor in the referendum result.

Students’ unions in member colleges pay affiliation fees to USI of €5 for each full-time student, and €2.50 for each part-time student.

The vote in DCU – which was due to be completed today, but which has been put back until tomorrow due to internet outages on its campus – could also be affected by the result in Belfield.

Another referendum on USI membership is being held in NUI Maynooth, which is a member union. Last autumn, the students’ union in Trinity College Dublin voted to remain affiliated to USI.

In a separate referendum, UCD students voted to reintroduce the position of a full-time Entertainments Officer, which was abolished last year as a result of the union’s financial turmoil. The referendum was passed by a margin of three-to-two.

However, the total poll in the Ents referendum fell just short of the 12.5 per cent turnout needed to reach a quorum, meaning the outcome is irrelevant. The USI referendum was subject to a lower 10 per cent quorum which was easily met.

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Comments (36 Comments)

  • Shocking!

    How have the global markets reacted to the news?

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  • I can’t say I have ever found the USI to be a useful organisation, whereas some individual Unions really go that extra mile for students. It brings nothing to the table in terms of finding a solution for the cash strapped government in relation to funding college/universities. They just seem to protest all the time, go on marches, have sit-ins, get arrested, and not be constructive. The whole USI/Labour love triangle during the last election was embarrassing and they were well warned on social media anyway that it was most likely an election ploy. Strong political connection, president getting arrested in the Dail, ugly protests, and so on.

    Its just not very professional and they don’t appear to offer anything to the talks on a solution to the elephant in the room. The pink elephant at that. Its embarrassing and I think the more colleges that step away from this and make the USI wakeup and become useful, the better.

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    • I can’t say that I’ve found any student union to be useful organisations. When I was in Tallaght IT they were more interested in boycotting Nestle products & protesting about Palestine than putting a gate on the bike locker.

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    • If you think that USI is unprofessional, wait until you see the sort of rubbish peddled by NO To USI (A.K.A YFG). You’d think that disaffiliation would result in a 24/7 student bar stocked with free drink, a 7 day library service that never closed even for Christmas day, and the most famous acts from all over the globe – from Justin Bieber (YUCK!) to Bono – playing at the UCD ball. Oh and the entire USI officer board was evicted from campus for the duration of the campaign, which completely hamstrung the YES side

      The pure unadulterated cynicism of that campaign wins hands down agaisnt the get ups of FG/LAB during the last election.

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    • Evicted? They shouldn’t be there in the first place. It’s a UCD referendum, it should be decided by UCD students only. The failure of the YES side to mount a successful campaign shouldn’t be masked over by allowing full-time people on campus whose sole purpose is to protect their own paid positions.

      In the Trinity referendum the USI officers were allowed on campus and yet no one from opposite camp could bring in outsiders to mount our case. It was completely unfair.

      Also let it be known that I don’t know a single YFGer who likes Justin Bieber….

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    • David, the reason why USI were allowed to campaign on Trinity campus as a specific exception to any other organisation was quite clearly stated in the election referendums – namely that the USI was (and still is obviously following the outcome of a referendum) an organisation affiliated with Trinity College whos officers students from Trinity College had voted for and elected.

      I don’t think its inappropriate that USI officers who have been elected by students meet with students. Who do you suggest the no team would have brought onto campus, Enda Kenny?

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    • In the election *regulations

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    • I suggest that only students from the college effected should be able to canvass for votes.

      Trinity students convincing other trinity students of why they should stay or leave the USI. A level playing field for both sides.

      The argument that the USI is the recognised student representative body is nonsense. It’s the very question that students are being asked to vote on. If we say that the USI heads have a mandate to canvass, then why bother with a vote in the first place?

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    • Becuase you’re acknowledging that they currently DO have a mandate under the policy of the union and you’re asking students whether they think that mandate should be removed?

      I find the argument that students who wish to inform themselves of the issues can’t ask direct questions of those who has been elected by students, and that those who are most in the know about the acitvities of an organisation can’t be on campus to inform students, to be rather uncompelling to be honest. However, we’re clearly speaking from opposite sides of the fence on this and I’m obviously not going to change your mind.

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  • What I would hope to see in Ireland would be a separate union for both undergraduates and postgraduates as I don’t think their interests align at all. E.g. campaigning for the preservation of the status quo regarding the “free fees” system for undergraduates has the knock on effect of higher tuition fees for postgraduates. As the vast majority of those in universities are undergraduates, it makes political sense for students unions to look after undergraduate interests first and foremost.

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  • €5 for membership. Would rather spend it on a pint.

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  • Hopefully this is the end of the elitist organisation that is the USI. Students need a proper voice and the USI isn’t it

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  • Where will they get training now for future political careers?

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  • I dont think the USI is great at all. The union has just aligned itself with management nothing new there really. I wonder do students really have a VOICE or are we made think we have. Whatever the instituitions or government decides happens. I hope the other colleges go against it too! IT Carlow have a very cussy students union ineffective in its dealings with student issues.

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    • Not speaking for IT Carlow SU but have you discussed your’ issues with them either in person, Facebook, e-mail or Twitter? They do interact on Social Media. There’s an issue being discussed on the IT Carlow Forum of Boards re the Library/LRC that the SU could do with dealing with.

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  • If they didnt reach Quorum, does it still stand? Or is the quorum only relevant to the internal Ents officer policy?

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  • USI lost all credibility when they failed to deal with a USI president who was investigated for sub letting a room in his own accomodation to USI had a huge mobile phone bill including phone calls on Christmas Day to Oz, the union paid the said presidents car insurance up to several months after his term expired. Said president had a clothing allowance , there was also incidents of unvouched expenses and cheques unaccounted for during this period. When a vote was held on a report implicating said president several members of USI officer board abstained from the vote. I lost all respect for USI after that.

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  • This is DCU’s second referendum on this in three years…turning into a copy of the Lisbon treaty out North Dublin’s direction…keep forcing them to vote until it passes!

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    • Is there anything wrong with asking an almost entirely new student body about their views? If it’s been three years, surely the vast majority of students who voted in the last referendum are no longer DCU students.

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  • It’s a great day anytime the power of a union takes a hit.

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  • I think that the voting in DCU is back on Gavan?

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  • Perhaps USI will take this blow as an incentive to reform but I’m not optimistic.

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  • Oh how I miss the student life! Its all go go go now. Apointments to cafes to more appointments…aaah so hectic.

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  • Whatever internal issues you guys have with USI, one thing is certain. Students need a strong united voice to challenge the government plans to pay for overpriced third level education through student loans before making third level institutions more efficient. Mr Logue was very convincing on this issue in recent media coverage.

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  • A pity as standing together is really the only way we have of fighting back

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