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Victims could be allowed to unmask online trolls

Victims of abuse from ‘trolls’ on social networking sites would be given the power to see the anonymous people identified under proposed changes to the Defamation Law in Britain.

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THE POWER TO identify online ‘trolls’ could be given to victims of anonymous abuse in Britain.

The Telegraph reports that proposed changes to the Defamation Bill include allowing people who operate websites a defence against libel.

This defence would centre on them identifying the person/s behind the alleged defamation when asked by a complainant.

The proposals were outlined by UK Justice Secretary, Kenneth Clarke.

Sky News reports today that internet service providers would also get greater protection under the laws from being sued. The aim is to enable cases to be settled out of court through a number of means, including mediation.

The Defamation Bill is due to be debated in the House of Commons this afternoon.

The changes would also include measures to prevent people being make false claims so that certain material is removed.

The news comes after an arrest warrant was issued last week for a man who sent a malicious email to Conservative MP Louise Mensch.

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Comments (24 Comments)

  • This would only apply to sites hosted in the UK. It’s another pointless law made by people who don’t know what they are talking about.

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  • Imagine a law like this in Ireland! All the saddo journal.ie trolls would have to find alternate methods of finding joy in their sad lives. Or conversely, to stop hiding behind anonymous profiles when making provocative and disgraceful comments. Poor things..

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  • I’d love to know who this ‘David Higgins’ is…

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  • i wonder can we say Langer any more or will cork sue us?

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  • What defines a troll?
    To me, a troll is someone who adds in unnecessary and sometimes amusing comments that are totally unrelated.

    Someone using a pseudonym simply to insult others or be a pain in the you know what sometimes falls under this category.. Really they are purely trying to get a reaction, ignoring them is the best policy..

    A threat is another matter, and I believe there is already ways to deal with this in spite of Internet anonymity.

    But there is a general consensus around here that if you do not have a normal sounding name that automatically makes you a troll. This is nothing more than a circumstantial ad hominem. Some people have genuine reasons for not using their real name on a public forum. And some people use real sounding names that aren’t theirs.

    This is the Internet. There will be users from all walks of life and mental faculty. You do get some crazy people, and if you have ever been the victim of an online stalker you will understand that there are valid reasons to keep your identity private on public forums like this one. Remember, not all the visitors comment.

    Who decides whether someone is trolling or not? Or is this just a clear way to invade people’s privacy? Accuse someone of trolling to find out who they are..
    I sincerely hope that this is very strictly monitored and evaluated, otherwise it would be very open to abuse.

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    • You are right.

      I think people should actively take part in challenging ideas they disagree with. Many “serious” com-mentors depend on a fake notion of normality to peddle their own prejudices and are quick to start calling people trolls if they don’t like their views or even thief style of expression.

      If this so called “trolling” takes the form of sarcasm, lampooning, ridicule, irony , cynicism and general piss taking I am all for it, just as long it says away from overly personalised remarks.

      The journal for example has many pompous and moronic people who comment on articles; they need to be challenged.

      As for people who openly identify themselves on sites like this I personally think that is a very dumb thing to do. I can only imagine that people who do so have limited exposure to the real world.

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    • Damocles 12/06/12 #

      There’s a distinct difference between trolling as it was originally defined in and what people seem to have misappropriated it to mean.

      i.e.: http://wp.me/p1aRUP-1W

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    • That’s fair enough, I agree with your sentiments on challenging and provoking and that’s not the kind of ‘trolling’ I hate. I hate the cowardice of the people who knowingly make hurtful and disgusting remarks, such as those recently made on a suicide story on this site recently. All done from behind the convenient screen of anonymity. And it’s all well and good to say ‘loosen up, its all a game and a laugh!’ but when these remarks are there repeatedly in public and are read by people who have been deeply affected by certain issues in ways many cannot thankfully understand, then you cannot assume to tell people how they should feel or react or ignore that troll.

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    • Like I said, threats and directly insulting remarks are not acceptable. In real life or in fake Internet land.

      It’s kind of the equivalent of those people who feel justified in passing comment about your appearance simply because you are in their field of vision.. It’s difficult to shrug it off when your confidence is low, and it’s certainly irksome when some Internet person you don’t know feels they have the right to judge you or pass comment on you or your family.. But really it says a lot more about them than it does about you..

      I think that’s something we need to teach our young people (and learn for ourselves).

      However when the Internet started out it was all handles, the fact that some people choose to use their personal Facebook or twitter accounts on here is a matter of personal choice. Personally, I’ve seen a few people on this site that I would rather didn’t have access to my personal info.. I don’t try to access theirs, but I have no such guarantee that they will respect my privacy (see above comment about wanting to “uncover shinnerbots”, considering this is a guilt by association fallacy bandied about by certain posters).. I’m not sure how many times I’ve seen someone on here say “I’ve just looked at your profile and seen you are….” to me that’s overstepping a mark.. Their blogs are different as those are published for public view.

      That’s why I use a pseudonym anyway.. My comments are from me.. But the ONLY stuff on the Internet with my real name on it is my business dealings. My personal online life is conducted under a pseudonym – best advice my nerd friends ever gave me..

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  • I’d back this just to unearth the Shinnerbots on thejournal.ie & Twitter alone

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  • Considering the number of recent prosecutions carried out succesfully without the existence of this law, what is this law for?

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    • That is such a Troll thing to say

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    • It’s to make resolution easier Currently in the UK a person would have to go to the court against the website provider or the host to get the identity of the person. If passed this would make the process easier and would allow for non judicial process. It would only be used in defamation cases not where you disagree with a point of view. It would also give protection to whistleblowers.

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    • Damocles 12/06/12 #

      Garreth,

      In cases of abuse or where the offender has broken laws such as the 1988 Malicious Communications Act the matter can be reported to the police and they can do the legwork. Under existing legislation.

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