I thought Piers was a big Gunners fan?

They are a pair of flutes.

Judgemental,
Adebayo

i’d love to see Piers take him up on the boxing match….that’d be prime pay per view material….

It gets better: post interview soliloquies to camera after the interview. Screwball:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/alex-jones-insane-post-piers-morgan-selfie-videos

Can anyone actually address the points which were backed up by facts that Jones brought up? I note Moran ignored the points Jones brought up, it was clearly going to be an attempt to ambush and hijack Jones and shunt him down into answering a specific way, like the way they do in a court room, obviously Jones being a savvy media broadcaster knows the score, showed no deference to the usual Morgan bully tactics and instead turned it around and hijacked Morgans show, out-ambushing Morgan. Nice one Jones.

There’s one very fundamental objection that goes to the core of his rationale, which I posted yesterday – the comment it was attached to got downvoted like nothing I’ve ever seen, though. It goes a little something like this:

On the topic at hand, the distribution of power in the world is much more diffuse now than it was in revolutionary America – even if you could form a militia, there is no Bastille to be stormed, or central control apparatus to overthrow so as to take power. This is why the Republican party feel quite comfortable in having guns all over the place – people will only end up shooting each other, while their mates in the arms industry count the profits.

Honestly, Brian/Michael, do you really think the heavily armed citizenry of the US are any “freer” from gubbmint “tyranny” than we are here in Yurp? Really?

Jones is a spoofer, he plays it up for the cameras because he knows his audience, often rural, isolated, disenfranchised, alienated and mistrustful of urban/cosmopolitan “elites” laps it up. I don’t think he believes a word he’s saying.

Stuff like this – “The DMT Elves want the elites to kill us all”: http://dangerousminds.net/comments/alex_jones_dmt_elves_want_the_elites_to_kill_us_all

Alex Jones is honest and I would agree with his views on guns and his low estimation of Piers Morgan

Idiot. Is it any wonder America is fuc*ed up!

UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html#

I think some people might want to investigate the issues Jones brought up instead of letting your subjective ideas about America and guns cloud judgment.

Did you hear his show – I think it was the millennium – he started talking about how the tanks were coming and he could see them, he had people calling in scared – and it was all horseshit.

I wasn’t in the slightest bit surprised when I read it devolved into Alex Jones having an angry rant, it’s all the guy ever does.. Fallacious ones at that..

80mg daily of Lexapro will put a dent in that

Agreed Barry, but there are some commenters on here who quote him as a source!!

On the plus side, what he’s saying on the subject of gun control prob isn’t doing his own side any favours. Simikar to that crazy ‘youth defence’ outfit, turning more people towards the pro-choice side of things

He is a nutcake, no doubt.

Alex Jones has a habit of delegitimising anything he says.. This guy could tell you the sky was blue and there’s no way you could take him seriously – he’s too much of a loudmouth fallacy machine..

The SSRI thing is legitimate sadly. The vast majority of these horrific mass murder suicides have been carried out by someone taking these drugs. There’s a warning on the package insert for them that states the drugs side effects include an increased risk of violence and / or suicide. So even though a madman is saying it – it does deserve a little more focus than it gets.

Need I remind you, we had our own headline murder suicide directly attributed to SSRI drugs not that long ago, no guns – but kitchen knives bought in Cornelscourt.. The drugs can make people go a bit crazy – perhaps we should be looking at that?
http://www.ssristories.com is an aggregate of news stories from around the globe where someone taking these drugs went and killed a load of people, guns are merely one of the weapons used.

The drugs aren’t even all they’re cracked up to be. Why do we continue to run that risk?
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045

Is he?

Take a look at what’s going on in your own Country first.
No conspiracy with the Banks and the EU with the Irish Govt?

I think a person who shouts bang has no intent to kill people, I think a person who has the intent will do what is required to get whatever tool is necessary to kill people. So change the minds that want to kill, not the tools that can be accessed. That is the real problem, too many sick people. You will note all the gun shootings were done by people on medication and seeing psychiatrists. As jones rationally pointed out, saying he wanted to ban the mass murder inducing drugs. Jones pointed all this out, Morgan refused to address real issues.

People kill. Guns kill. Put a gun in a person’s hand and its a sure fire (pardon the pun) thing that if they want to harm or kill someone, they will use the gun to do this. The gun cannot do any harm UNLESS its in the hand of a person with the intent of maiming/killing someone.

I really think a person who shouts bang is definitely looking to cause harm… The gun makes it a lot easier is what i think Eddie Izzard means, Brian.

Shuki

going by your logic, a person who shouts bomb in an airport is looking to blow up planes? Or are they just time wasting Aholes? The gun does not make it any easier. Criminals will always get up to violence whether the gun is banned or not, we just had a guy who robbed an old lady and beat the crap out of her, I sure wish she had a gun to defend herself.

It is not the people who are law abiding who will ever commit a crime, it is the criminals and they are able to get guns and do not care what the law says. Law abiding responsible citizens should have a right to defend their family and property. In the real world, evil stuff happens, like the Indian woman who was gang raped, had an iron bar thrust into her and one of the rapists goughed out her intestines with his hands – are we going to ban his hands now? I wish that Indian woman had a gun and I wish she had shot those guys to death. In a choice between her and them, I chose that she lives and defends herself over them, anyday.

55 guns to be exact, because the gun control system is so good ….. That man is a disaster waiting to happen.

Can you explain why not?

Why would that be?

It continues after click the link that flashes up in the top right corner in the final 10 or so seconds in the video. He starts mocking his English accent and ranting and raving more about suicide pills and how 9/11 was staged by “criminal elements of the military industrial complex”. Thoroughly entertaining.

I disagree.

You can count his rage-fuelled diction as “kookie” but that doesn’t mean that he’s wrong.

As a matter of fact, there are a lot of question marks about the things he brought up. Building 7 is an unsolved mystery, and the Fast and Furious is a disaster scandal waiting to come out for the Obama administration.

Don’t write someone off because of eccentricity.

you don’t get america then. This guys anger and passion for defending America strikes a deep deep chord, many will be in support of him. The guy is right, govt can do whatever they like knowing the people are powerless to stop them, take this country for example, most of our laws now come from EUSSR. We vote, they don’t like the result, we have to vote again, until we get it right, how is that freedom?

headcase or not, the man speaks the truth.

No but the shooters in each mass shooting killing were all on various pharmaceutical drugs which explicitly stated that they may cause homocidal or suicidal episodes. Something jones was pointing out, but which nobody seems to be bothered to examine, the content rather then the style of what he was saying.

Also this:
UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

You should try watch Glenn sometime, to actually understand his message.

lahloo

There are several KKKs, maybe a Real KKK, Continuity KKK:). You can read up online it if you are bored. Vice.com covered it a bit.

I can’t believe it’s not butter KKK…..:-)

The KKK was started by democrats, just as a side note

Actually he is not. It is called anger. something the Irish have lost and are now enslaved to the international banksters and ignorance displayed by yourself as to who and why controls the world and our little island, until you get fired up and angry enough to find out what is going on and who is doing it, it will keep happening.

The southern Democrats or Dixiecrats or States Rights Democrat became Republicans almost to a man after the LBJ or civil rights era. Those Democrats founded the KKK – actually the founding was a bit complicated. Look it up on Wikipedia.

The KKK apparently tried to ban firearms for the ordinary citizen.

So getting angry is an arrestable offence now. How about Eamonn McCann then? Or how about that Green TD who said eff off in the Dail. I think you have to take those biased bigotted glasses off. Could anyone actually address some of the issues which were backed up by facts, that Jones brought up?

Btw Niall don’t you think that part of Ireland’s problem is that we are not angry enough at what the bankers like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Lehman bros have done to this country? Isn’t it precisely because we are lame doormats that they now own us?

Mary 59, are you trying to turn a debate into a boxing match? As a competitive shooter and responsible firearms owner, you need to get your facts right. Anyway name the spot. I will even tie one hand. Morgan is just trying to make a name for himself. The other tool should be committed. It was a set up for tv.

most Americans do not carry guns. Those that do, do it so that criminals do not get to beat, torture and rape them or their families as is happening here in Europe. A few months ago, some guy broke into an Americans house, the usual crime of raping a lone female occupant was about to be committed, when the 5 year old daughter got the shotgun and killed the guy. I say thank God for that little girl being trained in the use of firearms and for guns.

No matter if you ban all guns, the criminals will always have access to them, where does that leave us? Like the poor farmer in Mayo who if he did not shoot that traveller, would now be dead.

@brianflarty
most Americans do not carry guns. Those that do, do it so that criminals do not get to beat, torture and rape them or their families as is happening here in Europe.

– I don’t own a gun, and my family is beaten, tortured and raped every week …..

come on man… get a grip on yourself!

As for “when the 5 year old daughter got the shotgun and killed the guy. I say thank God for that little girl being trained in the use of firearms and for guns.”

You think she was trained in firearms? at the age of 5?? what kind of parent was that?? That gun should not have been within her reach.

How about the kid (4 or 5 years old, don’t remember) that killed her baby brother a few month ago (also in the US of Arms) – by playing with a gun she’d found under her parent;s bed… (loaded and all, probably the safety catch to ‘off’)…

ok, will leave it at this reply only, Unlink you, I do not have loads of time to waste posting comments that will not get anyone anywhere.

Jake

Oh get real, obviously what is meant is that they carry to increase the ability to defend themselves in the event of such an occurance happening. It does happen you know, people break into houses, rob, rape, murder and torture people, they also carjack. Having a weapon increases the chance of successful defence.

Yes it is responsible, to teach a 5 year old to be able to shoot under supervision. I cannot remember the exact details, she may have been 11, point is she saved her mother from being raped and possibly murdered. In S.A 3004 boer farmers have been brutally raped, tortured and murdered, in the most gruesome ways, do you think they should not have a gun, or the kids, not able to help defend themselves or their families? It is easy to say no need for guns when living removed from such realities, or never having to live near areas like downtown Detroit.

When in the house most weapons of responsible gun owners are in a gun safe under lock and key away from kids, but kids brought up knowing and using firearms are usually more responsible and do not have the mystery curious factor involved. They are also able to defend the home if needs be

Jake

The old resort to “unlike you I do not have loads of time”

My god man, how petty, nice way to try to sneakily distract from the arguments and points. It took me all of 30 mins to post a few comments. Climb out of your smug little box there.

In the wrong place

It’s really troubling how many people seem to believe in this wackjob “fre’em, rugged individualism and the American way” stuff these days, even over here.

Do you advocate a socialist society, where you are forced to pay taxes etc?

*sigh*

I think you should get a dictionary and look up what “socialism” actually entails – it’s a lot more than being “forced” to pay taxes.

Tell us how is he a nut, do nuts come out with facts and statistics, that counter Morgans attempts to divert the issues?

That’s the thing.
To us, in countries where gun ownership is quite uncommon and laws are fairly tight we see bans as solutions because they could be implemented here without that much trouble – then we are only worrying about criminals. And we always worry about them..

But in the US every citizen has a constitutional right to bear arms. It’s hard wired into their psyche, it’s a part of their culture. As is the constant fear coming from the top down, before we had the I-rack-ee terr’rists there was the Commies and the Cold War, and whoever else before that.. Someone’s always been out to get the States and they have pretty much kept their citizens on high alert full time – paranoia is a big part of the American psyche.. There’s no way in hell they will surrender their guns – Alex Jones is right about that.. And could you blame them really? The amount of guns in circulation – you would want one for protection even if you never ever wanted to use one, simply due to the fear of what may happen if you didn’t..
Sounds like hell on earth to me!

Absolutely nailed it. Most of the people on this site would do well to take heed

Shanti

In case you did not know it, the commies WERE expanding, they were spreading into SE Asia and fighting proxy wars in Africa, the ANC are communists, the commies in America like the weather underground movement whom Obama had contacts with are on record of saying they were going to have to kill about a quarter of the American population who did not get with their programme. Commies were and are a real threat in the form of cultural marxism.

if i was an American, i’d want a gun for protection too,
protection from armed loons like this Jones guy,
& there appears to be millions of em there.

two centuries of their 2nd Amendment,
that’s the peoblem !!
don’t know what’s the solution !!

Recall how the Brits gave up thief guns and became the most violent society in Europe.

Just a thought.

Their

yup UK is now the most violent society in Europe. Taking away their guns has really pacified the innocent and scaled up the criminals, go to UK if you want to be mugged, beaten, abused, raped, tortured and murdered especially in your old age, why do you think there are 100,000 Brits moving out a year. The place is something out of Robocop.

No, it’s definitely Alex Jones.

What does a psychiatrist know about gun control? Might as well say a taxi man told you.
Just over half of gun victims are suicides. Higher gun ownership states have higher rates of homicide and you’ll be amazed that the higher rate is caused by guns.

Well said.

So if a trespasser with a gun enters your property and is raping your family, what you going to do?

which proves what exactly?

Bring a gun user, you see he knows about gun use, thus would not shoot it in the air. You lefties are the real gun nuts, you get hard ons when you go to Poland and use assault rifles. You see you nutters actually want the power the strong have.

I’d be interested to hear why you think the US does not need tighter gun control after all of these shootings?

“Piers Morgan should go back to the UK”

You’d rather he was nearby than across the Atlantic?

Id rather him in the uk where he cant damage freedom any more than it already is.

The US is one of the last countries in the world that gives people the freedom to properly defend themselves , school shootings etc.. Are not a problem with guns , they are a problem with mentally unstable individuals. Had the caretaker or principal had a gun during that last school shooting , the death toll would be far lower

@ Stephen Church

USA “freedom” LMAO !!!
even the kids at school aren’t free
they need police or armed teachers to protect them from being shot by Americans

USA !!!! USA !!!!!
Land of the FEAR !!!!

Bollox, stephen.

If adam lanza was just a very mentally ill individual WITHOUT access to a semi-automatic arsenal he would NOT have been able to slaughtered 26 individuals so easily

The “it’s not the gun that kills people” argument is horsesh!t.

Why does a citizen need a semi-automatic weapon in the house?

Haha Stephen you are a douche. It’s the least free country in the world Ffs.

America took Piers Morgan, they can ruddy well kepp him.

Believe me in no america supporter, the oil wars and progressively more socialist leaders have ruined that nation, the reagan days was the pinnacle of the US.

Nobody needs a semi automatic weapon, but nobody needs a car , or fancy clothes , but we want these things.

Being free means nobody has the right to tell me i cant have a semi or fully automatic weapon, i should be allowed have any weapon i want

@Stephen “Had a caretaker or principle had a gun during the last school shooting, the death toll would be far lower” – so what you mean is that the real solution is more guns in schools…probably one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve heard in a long time. *facepalm* – Also, you say that it’s mentally unstable people who shoot and kill people – what happens if God forbid a member of staff lost it and shot out? Greater access to guns = more deaths. Simple.

What about a nuclear weapon, Stephen? Where does your la-la-cloudcuckooland have it’s borderline?

You are a clown

Reagan days the best? Tell that to the people of Central America

he’s troling

USA brainwashes its citizens with saluting the flag in school, huge military-style parades every time they celebrate (eg homecoming), hand on heart for national anthem, yadda yadda. Get them young keep them loyal. Oh. A bit like the Catholic Church.

If burgulars broke into your house with knives, and family inside, for protection what would be your weapon if choice of two, a wooden spoon or a gun?

How about they keep the guns but they ban bullets?

If the bogeyman broke in I’d choose thrice-blessed salt to throw at him. If a Jade Dragon broke into my house I’d prolly choose a broadsword.

If. If. If.

I have a dog, a loud one. He sleeps in the house. If a rat moves outside after dark, he bellows the place down. I don’t need a loaded gun in my house where my children live, play and sleep. You stick to the spook stories, Bob.

@Nigav

From previous experience, Stephen isn’t trolling, he genuinely believes this stuff.

Jones is a nutjob, but he’s only one step removed from “respectable” “libertarians”, the kinds of people who crawl all over any discussion on tax or welfare policy spouting outrage at any suggestion that taxes be raised on the ultra wealthy.

On the topic at hand, the distribution of power in the world is much more diffuse now than it was in revolutionary America – even if you could form a militia, there is no Bastille to be stormed, or central control apparatus to overthrow so as to take power. This is why the Republican party feel quite comfortable in having guns all over the place – people will only end up shooting each other, while their mates in the arms industry count the profits.

Honestly, Stephen, do you really think the heavily armed citizenry of the US are any “freer” from gubbmint “tyranny” than we are here in Yurp? Really?

Bob- I’d say, you call that a knife? This is a knife, matey and show him my machete!

Wooden spoon every time, every Irish person is scared of wooden spoons

@bob the buildr
I could do some pretty mean Steven Segal style shtuff with a wooden spoon there fella. Be realistic…. The likelihood of someone breaking into a home, when someone is in, is tiny at best so why not push tazers for home defence instead?
I can understand if you live in the woods that bears don’t just go to the toilet out there so you may need to own a rifle, but a hand gun? Or a semi automatic weapon? Come on…. Take that wooden spoon out of your ass and stop using it to stir shit!

Oops, i should really stop posting with the business twitter account, lol

You can’t have or buy a Kinder Egg in the US. Land of the free, my ass.
Kinder eggs are deemed a threat to children.
But feel free to buy a rifle in Walmart. They won’t harm kids, unlike the chocolate egg with the surprise.

Stephen your close minded attitude to guns is the reason most people here don’t take Americans seriously, red neck hillbillies there is no need for guns at all

Down below. Nivig Yeoh !

Moron

11,000 gun related deaths per year in the US compare to double digit figures in European countries. And many are child deaths. If banning the guns save a few kids lives wouldn’t it be worth it

In case the queen of England invades. You know what she’s like. Always I casing as soon as your guard is down

Sorry invading not I casing. Went over a speed bump on the bus

Hi Ted,
Please stop posting comments when you’re driving a bus :)

And you too, Ter.

A good hurley, actually.

@Stephen Church

“Nobody needs a semi automatic weapon, but nobody needs a car , or fancy clothes , but we want these things.
Being free means nobody has the right to tell me i cant have a semi or fully automatic weapon, i should be allowed have any weapon i want”"

Right, now, I don’t need a semi-automatic weapon, but I want one, and because I am a free person I should be allowed to have one. (preferably with a high-capacity magazine, because i really need to target-shoot 30 tin cans in 3 seconds!

Come on!!

if you’re truly free, you should be able to buy a rocket-launcher (for new year’s eve fireworks), dynamite (for fishing, obviously) and a nuclear bomb (just for kicks) without the need to go through any approvals process….

I’d say, you and frequent poster brianflaherty should move to the US if you like their style… or perhaps Chechnia if you like it better there…
As for the Reagan day’s being the best time… sure enough! the arms industry was stockpiling nuclear warheads by the thousands, all of which have to be decommissioned now because thermonuclear war might not be such a good idea after all… the only good thing about the Reagan presidency was that Reagan was too busy being a statesman that he didn’t have time make crap movies!

Hollywood still thanks him for that!

I agree. We all have the right to defend ourselves

Of course he did, he set up an ambush. He padded out the interview and primed it by first showing the parents or relations of people killed in the Aurora mass shooting, then he totally ignored all the points Alex made, while trying to control the content of what Alex was saying by focussing on decontextualised snippets of facts, which do not show the bigger picture, Alex would not let himself be controlled or manipulated by the smooth talking tactic.

Jones was promised 3 sections, but they renaged on that and were there to do a hatchet job and try and twist anything Jones would have said, Jones got most of his points out without being made a doormat or controlled by morgan, and bascially took the opportunity on Morgans own cesspit heartland, to tell him where to go. Morgan tried various bully tactics like lying, ignoring points made, diverting from the talker, never addressing valid points made by Jones and then finally when none of that worked, he tried to smooze and molly coddle Jones into being more deferential and agreeable to Morgan, they do this to try to disarm people who are not taking their crap, only to then attack the person and backstab them themselves. jones saw right through the sneak morgan and let him have it, well deserved.

……and back in the real word.Hes a self promoting lunatic just like Bart Siebel (who Buzz Aldrin famously punched).
If you want a cause to self destruct employ Alex Jones.

Tell us what is not real about the Patriot act or NDAA? What is not real about Obama using drones to kill 1000s of people in Pakistan and Libya? What is not real about the following?

UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

I think you are living in a world unqualified by facts.