Rory Quinn may have honours maths but I don’t think he posses basic communication skills.

Way to go Rory alienate 70% of your workforce for no reason at all. ]]>

They offer the same points currently (if you exclude the bonus points). We should set high standards for primary education access.

Once you set them, you need to be willing to pay accordingly (for instance Maths teachers at secondary level in Finland are paid in the region of €100k p.a.) however and back the system up with adequate resources and appropriate teacher / student ratios.

Finland, South Korea and Japan light the way….

]]>James Reilly – smoking ban in cars – while dozens lie dying on trolleys

Leo Varadkar – points for phones – while roads contain craters and dangerous bends that have caused numerous deaths

Ruairi Quinn – HL Maths, too many women, religion eradication – while most schools have IT facilities from the stone age, some even without broadband, prefabs, fundraising for paper, the list goes on.

Just like what happened with the last crowd – a lopsided smile from Bertie or a glance at Auntie Mary’s favourite baby and everyone went week at the knees.

Will we ever learn?? ]]>

Higher Level Maths teaches you to regurgitate pages and pages of crap that your ‘genius’ of a teacher has predicted will come up. The same genius of a maths teacher that teaches half the class Ordinary for the majority of the two years and leaves the HL students to fend for themselves because schools don’t have the proper resources. Maybe get 2nd Level Maths in order before dictating this.

There’s people who did Ordinary Maths that would have a way better understanding and foundations in Maths than me who did higher, yet they’ll be denied entry? ]]>

I hope teachers are better than the UK

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/feb/14/primary-teachers-fail-maths-tests

“Do you know how to calculate a percentage, or the meaning of product, multiple and factor, or how to convert celsius into fahrenheit?

Those are the sort of basic maths operations that an 11-year-old should be able to cope with. But many teachers might struggle.

A test comprising “27 straightforward maths questions” carried out by 155 primary school teachers has revealed a “shocking lack of mental arithmetic ability and basic maths knowledge”.

Fewer than four out of 10 of those who sat the test – designed for 11-year-olds – could calculate 2.1% of 400, and only a third answered correctly that 1.4 divided by 0.1 was 14. Overall, four out of ten scored 40% or below, only one got all the answers correct and the average mark was 12 out of 27 or 45%.”

]]>If this rule were to be implemented, the numbers in the situation similar to my classmates and I would increase with seemingly no benefit to their future career. In order to justify these changes, we would require a radical overhaul in the primary school mathematics syllabus as it would be a downright insult to force teachers sit maths at HL only to end up teaching addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. ]]>

what has the honours irish requirement for all primary teachers got us? Nothing. This is obviously not the fault of the teachers, but of the outdated method of teaching Irish.

Same goes for Maths. yes there should be a minimum requirement of an A or B in ordinary level maths but there is no need for honours maths to teach primary school.

the curriculum needs to change. There are plenty of articles online about how primary Maths is taught in countries performing well on the ‘primary maths league table’.

our Minister would do well to do some research on those countries methods of teaching rather than coming out with highly un-researched comments (yes yes I know that un-researched isnt a word!!)

]]>Shulman (1986) differentiates between content knowledge (eg higher level maths, university level) and pedagogical subject knowledge.

Research indicates that it is pedagogical subject knowledge (the language of maths and how to teach about it) which makes a teacher a good teacher.

The ability to solve advanced equations does not mean that you will be better able to teach a child methodologies to solve word problems. It can be very difficult for any teacher to do this and what makes you good is getting the child to “see” and understand the maths they are learning.

I would compare it to being a fluent native English speaker who thinks that because it is their first language that they will be the best teacher of English. For anyone who has ever done a Tefl (teaching English as a foreign language) course they will know that English grammar is complex and complicated, for example there are 5 future tenses in English. In order for one to teach these 5 tenses correctly they need to know about how to teach the subject not just have a higher level in the subject. Even students with an A1 in HL English would struggle to teach the basic grammar rules of the 5 future tenses for example.

HL maths will not make “better” teachers, only put unnecessary pressure on students. Of course a good standard important but no need for honors. Ruairi’s idea is not backed up by res

]]>In my opinion, maths is too underrated in Ireland which at the moment the poll results reflect.

The comments here that state that being able to pass an exam is different to being able to educate are wrong. You go to university to learn to teach, you don’t learn that in school.

Maths is not a subject that you can just “learn” in the way you can English, Maths, Geography, History, etc. etc. Maths is about teaching your brain to problem solve through logical arithmetic. I think anyone teaching any level of Maths should have a high under standing of it and proven ability of being able to do this. People here saying that primary school maths is easy to teach are not giving the clear picture. Yes, the maths seems relatively easy to us but for the students this is not the case. As I mentioned, maths is about problem solving through logical arithmetic, a way of thinking, a way of breaking down a problem. This isn’t something you can just teach out of a book.

]]>From my personal experience those in my class who struggled through secondary school are now primary and secondary teachers – many scraped the points to get into Pats and strugled through their degree and others simply went to England as they didn’t ge the points. I honestly don’t think these people should be those charged with teaching children when they found the education system very difficult to understand themselves. Obviously this does not apply to all teachers but definitely 10 that I know of personally.

]]>We need children who possess logic, reasoning and critical thinking skills as par for the course. Has it never occurred to any of you that the standard of maths in this country is so poor because the teachers have a basic knowledge of maths and not a true understanding of the subject.

Less Peig and more pi please. ]]>

I would like to believe my children are being taught by someone who has a proven aptitude for the subjects they are teaching.

]]>I find a lot of teachers are institutionalised, having never actually left the education routine, and a lot of teachers come from families where their parents/grandparents/siblings are teachers, not knowing what its like to work without sick pay, 21 annual leave days per year, promotion/pay rise based on actual performance and not on years worked/grades from college.

The best teachers i have seen are usually the ones that went back to train as a teacher after years of work. ]]>

Admittedly, quadratic equations are a bad example. They start being taught pretty soon into secondary school, and aren’t really all that difficult once you get the hang of them.,but Higher Level Leaving Cert maths is a different animal altogether. Obviously, if you want to eventually end up exclusively as a Maths, Physics, Business or other kind of teacher which has maths embedded within it, then yes, I do feel that Higher Level maths is necessary for that type of career path. But I don’t think it’s necessary for primary school level.

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