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Comment #1247739 by Jenni Hynes

Jenni Hynes May 29th 2013, 9:09 PM #

Dan, as a parent and childcare worker I can state that it is certainly possible to care for other children as you would your own. No the love, to the degree of intensity that one loves one’s own children, is not there, but there is certainly tenderness, compassion and a deep sense of caring for and enjoying the company of the children we are entrusted with. It’s not simply a matter of ‘keeping calm’ (which comment implies that all parents who love their children manage to stay calm at all times). It is a job requiring empathy, energy, organisation, understanding of the individual wants, needs and abilities of each child, and the skills to provide for these individual demands. Is this not identical to what good parents do? Just as I see good and ‘challenging’ (as we say in childcare!) in my own children, so too I have seen the good and not so good in the children I have cared for over more than a decade. I have found reason to like every one of those children and yes, reason to love many of them. Every decent childcare worker in the country could say the same. Please do not pass comment without knowledge of what we do and how we feel.

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Anger as RTE Prime Time shows mistreatment of creche children

Anger as RTE Prime Time shows mistreatment of creche children

The programme which aired last night showed staff aggressively handling children, shouting at them, and leaving them in high chairs for long periods.

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    Favourite Francis Cussen
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    May 29th 2013, 8:37 AM

    Not all crèches are like that. The reporters didn’t just pick them at random, they must of done their research. This paints a very bad picture on all the hard working, loving people who mind children every day as if they where their own.

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    Favourite Alan Lawlor
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    May 29th 2013, 8:40 AM

    Is that the excuse you will give your boss. “I had to lie in bed and comment on thejournal as I was too upset”?

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    Favourite Kay Tighe
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    May 29th 2013, 8:42 AM

    That’s very true Francis but at the same time places like this need to be exposed people need to be held accountable hard working parents are paying top money and expect their children to be look after in a safe environment and treated correctly and kindly and not manhandled and abused

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    Favourite Marian Crowe
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    May 29th 2013, 8:49 AM

    its happening in lots of creches dont be fooled francis. under 3s which is whats in creches cant verbalise whats happening to them so how will you know

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    Favourite Ciaran McCann
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    May 29th 2013, 8:54 AM

    Don’t be a dick Alan! You know what she means you clown! Leave the grown up talk to parents!!

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    Favourite Dan Yan
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    May 29th 2013, 8:57 AM

    Francis, no one will care for someone else’s child ‘as if it were their own’. Let’s be honest here at least. I’m sure many who work minding children are very good at the job and manage to keep calm throughout each day. But the love is not there.

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    Favourite Erin Smith
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    May 29th 2013, 9:23 AM

    Dan, honestly untrue. Obviously the connection with your own child is stronger than anything else but the love most certainly is there in alot of cases. I was a nanny to a baby for a year and I loved her to pieces, still do years later.

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    May 29th 2013, 9:31 AM

    Yes Alan lawlor. That’s my excuse for being late. But you know what, don’t freak out or anything, but I’m a civil servant and I have flexi time so I’m not really late. If its after 10 I’m late but I’m just there now

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    Favourite ManOnTheStreet
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    May 29th 2013, 9:31 AM

    A nanny isn’t the same as a crèche worker. You built up a personal one on one relationship with the child. Much like an aunt. Completely different to a crèche.

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    Favourite Oisin Conroy
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    May 29th 2013, 9:36 AM

    The programme made it clear they had gone undercover in crèches that there had been complaints made about.

    …Justified complaints, it appears!!

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    Favourite Erin Smith
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    May 29th 2013, 9:36 AM

    Agree MOTS it is a different situation, I’ve worked in a crèche also and the relationships are not as strong but there is definitely love or at least affection there for alot of staff.

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    Favourite Dan Yan
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    May 29th 2013, 10:36 AM

    Erin, you loved the minders you say. Did they love you? And if so, how do you know? From what I’ve heard from numerous child minder nannies from a 1-on-1 minding situation to a group 3-5 kid setup the love is not there. Sure the kids ‘love’ the minder but thats a basic instinct driven into humans, affection towards those in charge of you, not real love. And after watching that show last night the Stockholm syndrome comes to mind. It’s a job. The only attribute that sets a good childminder apart from a bad one is how patient they are with someone else’s child.

    Friends locked in cupboards in childminders when they were young, trainee childminders leaving the industry after witnessing such horrible environments in the crèches, I could go on.

    There are a lot of mistakes a person can make but to bring a child into the world only then to give it away for hours each day to these unknown quantities is genuinely worrying.

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    Favourite Erin Smith
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    May 29th 2013, 11:59 AM

    Dan, I said I loved the child I cared for and I still do. She was attached to me aswell, yes. Unless you have worked with young children you can’t comment on the bond, it’s as simple as that.

    Your finishing comment is ridiculous. I suppose children should be home schooled aswell, keeping them constantly with their parents? Have you any idea of the developmental statistics regarding children who have attended pre-school education?

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    Favourite Marian Crowe
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    May 29th 2013, 3:30 PM

    and thats also untrue dan i treated all kids as if they were my own but its creche laws they dont want you to give children cuddles if they cry look theres bad workers and bad bosses in every job and they must be taken out not the whistle blowers as is what happens

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    Favourite Nick Beard
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    May 29th 2013, 6:55 PM

    My nanny was like a surrogate grandmother to me – and yes, she still stays in touch and always wants to hear what I’m up to.

    Frankly, it’s only been in the last 60 years that there’s been this idea that children can only be cared for by parents. For centuries before, extended families had a massive part in childraising – the idea that no carer can feel connected to their charges. is a bit ridiculous.

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    Favourite Jenni Hynes
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    May 29th 2013, 9:09 PM

    Dan, as a parent and childcare worker I can state that it is certainly possible to care for other children as you would your own. No the love, to the degree of intensity that one loves one’s own children, is not there, but there is certainly tenderness, compassion and a deep sense of caring for and enjoying the company of the children we are entrusted with. It’s not simply a matter of ‘keeping calm’ (which comment implies that all parents who love their children manage to stay calm at all times). It is a job requiring empathy, energy, organisation, understanding of the individual wants, needs and abilities of each child, and the skills to provide for these individual demands. Is this not identical to what good parents do? Just as I see good and ‘challenging’ (as we say in childcare!) in my own children, so too I have seen the good and not so good in the children I have cared for over more than a decade. I have found reason to like every one of those children and yes, reason to love many of them. Every decent childcare worker in the country could say the same. Please do not pass comment without knowledge of what we do and how we feel.

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    Favourite Erin Smith
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    May 29th 2013, 9:17 PM

    +1 on all of that Jenni

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