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Comment #1634642 by Eric Davies

Eric Davies Sep 27th 2013, 10:57 AM #

easy way to stop non payment of road tax is to scrap it altogether and put a fixed amount on every litre of petrol instead, that way those who use the roads more, pay more. those with bigger fuel hungrey vehicles pay more, those with smaller more efficent cars pay less. either way it saves a lot of time and money, no need for all those tax offices, the people working in them could be relocated to another sector of the civil service, the money saved could then be used to equipe the garda with up to date number plate recognition units in their cars, which would warn them of any vehicle without insurence or n.c.t.

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Tax offices inundated with motorists ahead of ‘off road’ deadline

Tax offices inundated with motorists ahead of ‘off road’ deadline

Minister Phil Hogan has told vehicle owners that once the stamp of their application is prior to 30 September, they will be deemed compliant.

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    Favourite Tony Slap
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:06 AM

    I think increasing the price of petrol and scrapping road tax is a great idea – I use diesel.

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    Favourite Oliver Walker
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:08 AM

    Ah now Eric stop….you’re making too much sense there now.Stop with the silliness

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    Favourite james r
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:12 AM

    Spot on Eric

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    Favourite Joe L
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:15 AM

    Eric there is one serious problem with your suggestion. Fuel prices would have to rise and who would benefit from that? That’s right, the boys who are already making a fortune from washing and smuggling fuel!

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    Favourite Scrap Croke Park1
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:20 AM

    We spend over €500 million a year dying fuel so it can be classed as agricultural. Totally stupid. Can they not come up with a rebate system based on receipts? Even if it wasn’t a perfect system it would eliminate fuel laundering. Someone pointed out to me before we’d have to get the uk to do the same but it should be doable

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    Favourite David Kelly
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:23 AM

    You’d also disproportionately hit people in rural areas and people who have long commutes due to celtic tigre house prices forcing them out into very far flung places who are mostly already at the pin of their collar due to high fuel prices.

    Hitting commuters in particular might actually drive up unemployment as commutes might become unsustainable and public transport options don’t exist.

    At least road tax does a little bit of rebalancing.

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    Favourite Scrap Croke Park1
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:33 AM

    Take someone commuting from Navan to Dublin city centre. 50km each way. 100km a day, 500km a week, 26,000 km a year.

    Assuming 15km per litre, that’s 1,733 litres. At 10c per litre that’s €173 annually. Which is roughly car tax on a small car

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    Favourite Joe L
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:50 AM

    Do the people who red thumbed my comment not believe that washing and smuggling of diesel goes on?
    Is there anyone today who can feel 100% confident that the diesel they put in their car, van or truck is legit?

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    Favourite Harry Murray
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    Sep 27th 2013, 11:54 AM

    Put a dye in the tax compliant fuel….. Oh wait. Millionaire smugglers would proliferate if fuel prices had to cope road tax and the 6 counties didn’t. Think about it.

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    Favourite Eric Davies
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    Sep 27th 2013, 12:15 PM

    @ tony slap, ok i should have put ‘fuel’ instead of petrol, obviously meant to include diesel or bio fuel or even gas.
    @ joe .l. theres an easy solution there to joe, dont put dye in deisel, sell it as regular fuel and allow the hauliers,farmers etc to claim back a certain amount on their vat returns, that would finish the diesel laundering plants, save on millions in garda pay and resourses and cut out criminal misuse of agri deisel.
    see problems solved. but as oliver said, it makes to much sense for our political geniuses to understand.

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    Favourite Eric Davies
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    Sep 27th 2013, 12:19 PM

    but you would be saving by not paying road tax , also it might encourage some who drive big suv’s and 4×4′s to change to smaller more economical cars, not everyone who drives a jeep or 4×4 actually needs one most are used as status symbols, a left over from the ‘look how much i have’ days of the celtic tiger.

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    Favourite Ava Emc
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    Sep 27th 2013, 12:27 PM

    Scrap Croke Park1, that is incorrect. I travel 35km each way myself and it cost me 40-50 euro a week of petrol. I prefer the petrol to remain low as people drive at different km. Alot of people need the petrol prices down for work and it will actually put more people out of work. Some even use transport in jobs too and they would lose their jobs.

    The more you use your car, even though my car is eco and small, the prices seemed to have gone up this year no doubt is is way more than 173 euro. It’s actually twice than that value for motor tax.

    The problem is people drive different type of cars too giving different values to motor tax as well.

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    Favourite Joe L
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    Sep 27th 2013, 12:33 PM

    @ Eric. So because the Gardai and Customs aren’t able to sort out this laundering scam every farmer has to find more money asap to hold a more expensive product on their premises leaving them more exposed to one of rural Ireland’s most common crimes. I.e. fuel theft!

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    Favourite Derek Cullen
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    Sep 27th 2013, 1:06 PM

    In my opinion, there should also be an option of installment payments, even if it was only on a 1 year option.

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    Favourite Bill Butler
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    Sep 27th 2013, 1:10 PM

    55 million lost to the exchequer what about the amount that is given illegally to bondholders and bust banks through corrupt politicians in this police state ,remember people our government and media has become to big and to corrupt.

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    Favourite John Sheehy
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    Sep 27th 2013, 1:17 PM

    This is the way it works here in Poland. They have no road tax, you pay tax based on fuel consumption.
    The more you use the roads the more tax you pay by buying fuel, quite simple.

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    Favourite Eric Davies
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    Sep 27th 2013, 1:20 PM

    @ joe L, if diesel laundering was all but wiped out by allowing a rebate scheme and therefore eradicating the need for’agri’ diesel, the garda and customes resourses could be put to better use, such as better and quicker reaction times to crimes in progress and crime prevention, not just the theft of fuel but other thefts from farms and workplaces also. road block and checks for ilegle diesel use cost a fortune in money and resourses, remove the problem and those resourses can be better redeployed elsewhere.

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    Favourite Michael Fagan
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    Sep 27th 2013, 1:48 PM

    @david kelly, simply solved, just give a tax allowance per km. driven between work and home

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    Favourite Joe Sixtwo
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    Sep 27th 2013, 1:58 PM

    The problem here is that the Government would scrap road tax and add that to the fuel, then 12 mths later reintroduce the road tax and leave the fuel tax in place. Much the same as the property tax, water charges etc. The next step will be to privatize the water supply.

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    Favourite Rob Cahill
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    Sep 27th 2013, 2:08 PM

    Who are the 36 people that down voted this?? Seriously like how can anyone not agree?

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    Favourite Karl Coleman
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    Sep 27th 2013, 2:08 PM

    Scrap the red/green diesel. Certify all Agricultural vehicles and let them claim a rebate instead. This will cut out all the laundering of diesel.

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    Favourite Rob Cahill
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    Sep 27th 2013, 2:09 PM

    If you use something more than others no matter what the reason you should pay more than other people.

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    Favourite Ian Mac Eochagáin
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    Sep 27th 2013, 2:19 PM

    They did this in the seventies: scrapped road or motor tax (not sure which) and then reintroduced under the same or a different name a couple of years down the line.

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    Favourite Ava Emc
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    Sep 27th 2013, 3:59 PM

    This board is a joke. I gave facts of the motor tax value right now as it is actually twice the actual cost and increasing petrol does put people out of work. Alot of people are commuting long distances. Alot of people thumbed it down !!!

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    Favourite Jimmy Dunphy
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    Sep 27th 2013, 4:24 PM

    Eric … That would hardly be fair to people that work in the forestry or gardening business who have to buy petrol for their equipment !!!!!

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    Favourite Muiris Ó Cluanaigh
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    Sep 27th 2013, 4:48 PM

    That’s why the petrol is so high now! 95% goes to the government of every euro sold at pump! This was a idea from the 70′s tax petrol higher and get run of road tax! Guess what??? They kept them both!

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    Favourite Genius
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    Sep 27th 2013, 5:12 PM

    They could claim back the tax in their yearly returns,

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    Favourite Carol Devlin
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    Sep 27th 2013, 5:14 PM

    A “SLAP” for that Tony! Hehehe….seriously I gave you a thumbs up!

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    Favourite Brianán Mc Bride
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    Sep 27th 2013, 5:15 PM

    How many millions are spent on cleaning up the sludge of laundered fuel? Spot on Scrap CP 1

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    Favourite Enda Connolly
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    Sep 27th 2013, 5:29 PM

    Even better if I was driving an electric car… hmmm a nice big luxury Tesla

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    Favourite Larry Bird
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    Sep 27th 2013, 5:46 PM

    That’s a load of nonsense talk. If people want to drive SUVs etc. they will, most if not all people don’t buy cars to tell others how much they have, it’s the people who can’t buy and run those those cars, but really wish they could, who entertain such paranoia.

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    Favourite jack arse
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    Sep 27th 2013, 8:22 PM

    Somebody shoot this man,his ideas could bring down the government they make so much sense

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    Favourite Richard healy
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    Sep 28th 2013, 2:52 AM

    Phil Hogan should get a kick in the bollix the cues are out the doors and the staff are under pressure he should extend it by 2 to 3 weeks to take some of the pressure off but sure that would be the right thing to do but then again he is as tick as a ditch

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    Favourite Francis Gorman
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    Sep 28th 2013, 8:09 AM

    Eric I see your point however with road tax it’s a set amount that you can split into a number of payments. If you let these idiots in power put a road tax on fuel it will be x amount for “this year” then you can watch it climb in every budget we have.

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    Favourite Bilbo Baggins
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    Sep 28th 2013, 12:22 PM

    Short memories , we already added motor (road) tax to fuel in the 70′s we’re now payin for both

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    Favourite John Clarke
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    Sep 28th 2013, 12:33 PM

    That’s not a bad idea but the only issue there is, we already pay over inflated prices for fuel because the Govt have their dirty hands all over it.

    70% of the pump price is on excise duty.

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    Favourite John Hagin Meade
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    Sep 28th 2013, 4:27 PM

    @Eric Davies:
    You could scrap income tax, prsi etc. and simply put it on VAT as this is much easier to police. Food would remain 0% rated so those on very low incomes would not pay tax as at present. It would eliminate the “black”economy” as once the money is spent the tax is paid. A rate of something like 40% may be about right. You take ALL of your salary home. You decide how you will spend it. There would of course be other items that would need to be changed to 0% VAT to make the system fair and balanced.

    We know of course that, like Eric’s idea it will never happen because it might just work and ensure the “fat cats” actually paid their fair share of tax.

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    Favourite Emma Challacombe
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    Sep 28th 2013, 11:12 PM

    it is in practice and works in other countries!!!

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    Favourite Emma Challacombe
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    Sep 28th 2013, 11:24 PM

    Ava, you got it wrong, what was said was the total cost of the EXTRA per litre based on a 10c increase would amount to roughly 175 per year, which as you said, pretty much HALF the tax you pay, so you would infact be SAVING money, get it now? this is the practice in many European countries, inc Poland as mentioned above, and it does work, we pay the highest road/cartax in Europe (shock horror) the above mentioned idea is the best yet and would work well, I live in a rural area so probably drive more than those in cities, but yes i agree, why should someone who uses their car once a week have to pa y the same as someone who uses car 3 times a day? deals on insurance for commuters or a loyalty petrol scheme could help,

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