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Comment #1585247 by The Cynic

The Cynic Sep 12th 2013, 11:53 AM #

Two wrongs?

What on earth is wrong with the commenters here? This guy is a drug addict and gang member, who killed another drug gang member. All involved known to gardai. She was due to marry the intended victim (another drug gang member) in a few days, and was sitting in his car with him. While she wasn’t the intended victim that day, she was not exactly walking past with no links to this criminal whatsoever.

And now someone else in a drug gang has paid to kill this man in prison.

Neither the girl, nor this guy should be dead. It is not improving matters to keep killing, one after another. What happens next, this guys family take out a hit on whoever murders him, perhaps in his daughters name? And yet another bystander gets hurt.

I fail to see how perpetuating this kind of barbarism helps our crime problem in this country.

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Inmates poured boiling water and sugar down throat of Melanie killer

Inmates poured boiling water and sugar down throat of Melanie killer

It was the second time in four weeks that Keith Hall has been targeted by inmates in Mountjoy Prison.

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    Favourite Dee Reilly
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    Sep 12th 2013, 11:57 AM

    I agree

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    Favourite James Meehan
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    Sep 12th 2013, 12:17 PM

    i know its not the exact quote but evil men prosper while good men sit idly by

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    Favourite Niall Sullivan
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    Sep 12th 2013, 12:24 PM

    According to the article there’s a 10 grand hit out on him. I wonder where that money came from?

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    Favourite yip
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    Sep 12th 2013, 12:27 PM

    Totally agree with the cynic. Spot on

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    Favourite Aaron Burns
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    Sep 12th 2013, 12:55 PM

    well maybe its just karma….. he was a shite now hes paying for it…. painfully…… you may not see it as justice but alot of people will. Myself included.

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    Favourite Paul Walsh
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    Sep 12th 2013, 12:56 PM

    You say you fail to see how ‘ Perpetuating this kind of barbarism ‘ will help out our crime problem. Currently prison is not a deterrent to crime and in fact, there’s huge investment being made to make life inside even cushier. If a person felt maybe that there would be nasty consequences to be endured should you kill someone they might be less likely to go out and do it.

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    Favourite Chuck Farrelly
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    Sep 12th 2013, 1:08 PM

    Well why are there consequences? As Niall Sullivan asked above; where is the money coming from? There’d be no such bounty if he killed someone with no criminal links so there’d be a lesser punishment. Is that just?

    And that’s before we look at the morality of torture, which is something a lot of people here seem to be ok with

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    Favourite Margin Roffee
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    Sep 12th 2013, 1:08 PM

    Prison alone does not stop killers nor kiddie fiddlers, they should all reap the reward of prison justice…

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    Favourite Graham Kavanagh
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    Sep 12th 2013, 1:16 PM

    Regardless, the life he lead, this is kharma… whether or not for killing this girl is immaterial. Its not right I know that, but he probably inflicted misery on innocent people the way he lived his life…. As for the bigger criminals? Well the bigger guys are the ones keeping the little ones in jail….

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    Favourite Chuck Farrelly
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    Sep 12th 2013, 1:17 PM

    Well you don’t hear about the ones it does deter

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    Favourite Jim Butler
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    Sep 12th 2013, 2:04 PM

    Jesus why do people keep throwing out the Karma argument, what a completely senseless argument. Even if you do want to look at this from a ‘Karma’ perspective then lets expand that line of thought. The guy was tortured in prison, karma was at work, he murdered this girl…hence Karma has dished out punishment to him. The girl was shot dead, if we believe in Karma then this dictates that Karma was punishing her for something she has done…but oh no, that doesn’t fit into my simplistic way of looking at the world!

    So in conclusion, STOP shiteing on about bloody Karma!!

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    Favourite Ger
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    Sep 12th 2013, 2:12 PM

    @ Niall the intended target of the shooting was a gang member, the girl who was killed was his girlfriend. Gang money was most likely where the 10 grand was coming from.

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    Favourite Ger
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    Sep 12th 2013, 2:14 PM

    @ Paul By that logic countries with the death penalty should have lower crime rates, right? Well thats not the case….the USA for example.

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    Favourite Richard O'Gorman
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    Sep 12th 2013, 2:46 PM

    Interesting.

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    Favourite Rob Hunt
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    Sep 12th 2013, 5:13 PM

    Agreed. Typical kneejerk response from the usual members of the Journal lynchmob.

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    Favourite Niall Walsh
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    Sep 12th 2013, 7:38 PM

    This is going to happen for the rest of this Guys life…..Every Anaversery this will happen….. Scanner’s

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    Favourite Shanti Om
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    Sep 12th 2013, 7:42 PM

    And it’s a massive misunderstanding of what karma means too..

    Karma is the law of cause and effect, that your actions create the reality you live in eg, if you are a violent thug, then chances are you will end up surrounded by other violent thugs.
    If you do something wrong then you do deserve to be punished, but with the view toward learning the lesson from the situation so that you can become a better person – not revenge which is about wanting to inflict the pain felt upon another (and is an ugly side of human nature). Which is, as the Buddhist saying goes – “holding onto hatred is like swallowing poison and expecting the other person to die”.

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    Favourite Graham Kavanagh
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    Sep 12th 2013, 10:11 PM

    Its kharma that this gets you mad… Did you do something bad? Own up…. C’mon! :)

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    Favourite johnny
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    Sep 12th 2013, 11:42 PM

    Legal aid?

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    Favourite Kate O'Connell
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    Sep 12th 2013, 11:55 PM

    All the research points to the contrary. Harsh prison regimes like hard labour, harsh sentences or three strikes dont deter offenders.

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    Favourite Laurie
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    Sep 12th 2013, 11:59 PM

    Hear hear but as this is true it will fall on deaf ears

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    Favourite Barry Fahy
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    Sep 13th 2013, 12:20 AM

    ‘kharma’ indeed

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    Favourite Daniel O'Keeffe
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    Sep 13th 2013, 1:35 AM

    Painful adolescent comment to read Aaron!

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    Favourite sheelagh quinn
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    Sep 13th 2013, 3:31 AM

    Karma , which you clearly don’t understand , keeps the world in balance , it doesn’t punish wrong no more Than it gives fish bicycles we are all accountable for our own actions

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    Favourite Maria Clery-Breen
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    Sep 13th 2013, 6:26 AM

    Well said

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    Favourite stacey
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    Sep 13th 2013, 8:22 AM

    This girl was not an innocent child as they are making out… An innocent child is playing on the street with her friends. Not in a car with her husband to be selling drugs around the estate. Although she wasn’t the intended target , being in a relationship with someone like that and helping them do their dealings is asking for trouble. Nobody in innocent in this. Keith hall did wrong but he has been given time to serve and he is doing that, should he subjected to be tortured every day? No. The people that are torturing him are probably the same people you have called dirt bags and child killers in recent months/years. Anyone related in gang land crime are not innocent. This was tragic that she was so young but she was also very very silly. What a great family she has offering money to torture someone, isn’t these the same
    People who have very high morals by tv3 standards? Pfffft.

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    Favourite John king
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    Sep 13th 2013, 11:07 AM

    Well if karma was to strike than we probably wake up one morning finding nothing more than rubble and ash left, where once places such as parts of Tallaght , some parts of Dublin northside and mountjoy prison once stood…

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