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Comment #5284671 by Derek Scanlon

Derek Scanlon Jul 19th 2016, 1:33 PM #

Always about social housing, what about doing something to help the people who work full time, but can barely afford to eat due to the high rents!! This is good for people who are getting social welfare and entitled to social housing but not the average worker who gets r***d on the daily.

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Rebuilding Ireland: The long-anticipated housing plan is out - here's what's in it

Rebuilding Ireland: The long-anticipated housing plan is out - here's what's in it

The Taoiseach and ministers are announcing the long-anticipated housing plan today.

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    Favourite John Burke
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:37 PM

    I know, it’s a flooking joke.

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    Favourite Oleksandr Savitskyy
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:41 PM

    100% Derek. After paying 1500 for rent plus bills it is not much left to save for 70000 deposit to by more or less normal house in North Wicklow.

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    Favourite Micheal OLainn
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:43 PM

    Social housing is also required for lower income working households which are being priced out of the private rental market and desperately need accommodation at a reasonable cost and proportionate to income.

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:44 PM

    Social housing will help drive down rents. Private landlords are able to profiteer on the back of a gross housing supply shortage. And social housing should be available to workers as well as those who can’t find a job.

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    Favourite John Burke
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:49 PM

    Billy wants everyone to be poor together.

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    Favourite David Murphey
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:55 PM

    Has Wally been banned again?

    What did you do this time, Wally?

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:56 PM

    The government which John speaks for has made the majority poor together. They even gave it a fancy name- Austerity

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    Favourite tommy macdonagh
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:58 PM

    austerity finished years ago you clown, why did ya get banned?

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 1:58 PM

    Wally’s eating Cornettos and sunning himself in Bundoran on the money he saved on the water charges (banker tax).

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    Favourite john
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:00 PM

    Why do the government insist on mixing social with privately owned houses? I live in a housing estate which is mixed due to the building regs and it’s causing lots of problems, the first is resentment. Most of us have a mortgage and paid over 300k for our house while beside us there are families that paid nothing and made no sacrifices to get the house and they live in the exact same or in many cases, bigger houses – mines a 3 bed and there are 3,4 and 5 bed social houses. You can spot the social houses a mile away because they are unkept, toys, bicycles strewn across the unkept gardens, some have broken windows (it’s a new estate!) their kids are up till all hours out in the street, there is a lot of anti-social behaviour because their kids are much older then the regular people (because we waited to have kids). It’s a disaster and puts a massive stain on us buying our first houses to live immediately beside social housing.

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    Favourite tommy macdonagh
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:01 PM

    diving the capitalist system, good on him :)

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    Favourite John Judd
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:02 PM

    If more social housing units are built this will free up property in the private rental sector hopefully meaning house prices & rents will drop supply/demand .

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    Favourite Fred Johnson
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:05 PM

    Exactly Derek – what they really mean by social housing is when a single mother on the dole with two kids finds herself pregnant yet again, she clearly needs to be “provided” with housing by the sugardaddy state. Meanwhile us taxpayers who actually pay for her accommodation cannot for the life of us get a mortgage in this market. What a country.

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    Favourite Tim
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:11 PM

    Billy I’m glad to know Wally paid her water charge. As you said she’s saving money now

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:19 PM

    Hat’s off to you john! You’ve really packed in the stereotypes into your little imaginary story there.

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    Favourite Chris Kirk
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:22 PM

    Was in Bundoran just a couple of weeks ago, sad to see all the business properties boarded up and remaining ghost housing estates. Even the bank building has a ‘for sale’s sign on it, evidence of a town in serious decline.

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    Favourite Old Gabby Johnson
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    Jul 19th 2016, 2:33 PM

    Bundoran? is that still a thing. I thought it went the way of the do do years ago.

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    Favourite David Murphey
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    Jul 19th 2016, 3:16 PM

    “…..imaginary story……”

    Good to see you are carrying on Wally’s habit of hurling insults at people who disagree with you.

    Will you also be calling them “Blueshirt morons”?

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    Favourite Shaner Mac
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    Jul 19th 2016, 3:23 PM

    That’s a good point Derek and is the elephant in the room. A simple solution would be to open up public housing to a much great amount of the population. If you earn 50k you should still be able to avail of public housing; just pay the appropriate amount of rent based on your income.

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 3:25 PM

    If the cap fits Murphey………..

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 3:29 PM

    The absence of NAMA is this plan speaks volumes. NAMA presides over a vast firesale of land and property assets at knockdown prices to the international vultures while a domestic homeless epidemic rages and a terminally ill child sleeps in a car. It’s a feeding frenzy for the speculative sharks and the blood in the water as ever is that of the working class while the paid cheerleaders squawk their approval from the sidelines.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/housing-crisis-2679373-Mar2016/

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    Favourite Max Power
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    Jul 19th 2016, 3:59 PM

    You do realise you are entitled to social housing once u earn less than 38k. If u earn more than this then u ain’t struggling unless you are in a rented house that’s far beyond your means

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    Favourite Kevin Carter
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:15 PM

    It’s literally included as one of the Pillars of the plan.

    To improve the rental sector.

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    Favourite Shaner Mac
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:19 PM

    It’s capped at 35k and it’s only in theory. In reality if you earn that much, especially as a single person, the likelihood of getting a social house is slim to none.

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    Favourite stevenocarroll
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:21 PM

    @AAA

    “Social housing will help drive down rents”

    What if a lot of the social housing goes to “immigrants or refugees”. Take just one group of “refugees” for example the “Syrians” we are taking in. They automatically are bumped up any social housing queue, are they not? I know for a fact that in past years immigrants got social housing ahead of Irish people who were on the list for years. So how does immigration in general affect social housing and separately the housing market when more and more immigrants eventually add to the competition for houses?

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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:22 PM

    If you earn more than 38k your aren’t struggling? What part of this over taxes, overpriced country do you live in? You’d need 100k to have a decent quality of life in this country.

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    Favourite Anne Marie Devlin
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:23 PM

    @John. I live in an estate that is 100% private. The problem we have is that almost half the houses are owned by landlords. We have had huge problems with a few of them. The landlords have rented to people openly dealing drugs; there have been up to 10 people in a 3 bed house all working shifts; rubbish has been left festering in front of the houses for weeks between tenants;drunken brawls in the middle of the street as houses have been let to groups of lads working in town on short contracts and perhaps the worst for me has been the constant turnover of tenants. You never know for certain who is living next door – there’s no sense of community, landlords aren’t maintaining their properties to the same extent as long term occupants and you can complain to no one as in general we don’t know who the landlords are. I’ve been living here since the houses were built 15 years ago and the experience has left me certain that long term occupants regardless of what they pay are much more preferable to the constant turnover of tenants and the undiscerning letting of houses by unknown entities that we have experienced here.

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:31 PM

    Steven,
    Are you claiming that refugees and immigrants are the cause of the housing crisis? Should we send all those British people home for example? Might they not send Irish people back from the U.K and create a worse housing crisis?

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    Favourite stevenocarroll
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:34 PM

    @AAA

    Can you read English? Is that what I said, or are you more interested in addressing the issue and fact, Mr. Soros and Sutherland lackey.

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    Favourite stevenocarroll
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:38 PM

    @AAA

    And immigration that we had back in the 80′s frm western Europe, peoples with similar ancestral and cultural heritage which hardly resulted in any but a few 100 a year coming into the country and did not change the nature or threaten Irish ethnicity or culture, is clearly not the same as the 100s of 1000s from Africa, Eastern Europe, M. East and Asia. Get a grip Soros and Sutherland mass-immigration policy puppet.

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    Favourite Nick Allen
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:44 PM

    Wally

    I thought the working class were the majority, is it now the poor?
    I was of the belief that as my company exploits my labour and makes a profit out of me that I was working class. On that basis should I be entitled to one of these houses?

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    Favourite Nick Allen
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:47 PM

    Wally,

    The money you saved on the water charges. That means that previously you didn’t save this money which would mean you paid your water tax? Nice one, I would of expected you to be a non payer. So much so for solidarity with the working class or poor or whatever you are now calling it

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    Favourite Nick Allen
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:48 PM

    Fred

    We could always send her in holidays while she waits for an appropriate house. After all we need to cater to all of their needs re location and bedrooms etc

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    Favourite Nick Allen
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:51 PM

    Wally / Billy or whatever you want to call yourself.

    You say that John packs in the stereotype of social housing. Have you thought why this is the stereotypical image?

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    Favourite Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    Jul 19th 2016, 4:54 PM

    Sad thing is I have a better shot of getting a house by not trying to find a job. If be better off claiming social welfare. Id even a medical card.

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    Favourite nifty50
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:05 PM

    Go on the dole then

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    Favourite stevenocarroll
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:10 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin

    I am sorry but this is what globalisation is all about. Ireland is becoming nothing more than a warehouse for human beings an airport terminal. Instead of it being a home for the ethnic people of Ireland where we have steady and settled Irish communities based on generational bonds of family. We are creating conditions whereby the Irish can no longer live in their own country, where the Irish family is being broken up, and family memberrs exiled and flung to be cheap labour for other countries and where European ethnicities are seen by the business class and their Open-borders stooges like AAA as contemptible, something to be destroyed and replaced with the cheap labour of eastern Europe, Africa and Asia.

    Make no mistake, this is the goal, this is a deliberate plan. Look who is funding these policies and ideas, people like Billionaire George Soros, Chuck Feeney, look who supports it, Goldman Sachs, Peter Sutherland, their ex Euro chairman, IBEC, they are all licking their lips at the prospect of a globalised world, and the so-called social humanitarians pro multicult, are their street level puppet muscle to enforce these policies and stop dissent.

    There is going to be an increasing number of imported transient cheap worker population, and like you said, they can pack into rented accommdation have cheaper overheads, live cheaper, thus undercutting the Irish worker and family. This is invasion by other means, overseen by the business class, supported and enforced by all multicult open-borders fundamentalists, like AAA, who say they are against the capitalists, but in practically end up enforcing their business cheap labour goals by censoring nationalists and anti-immigrationists, and as with their behaviour against Identity Ireland for example, by using violence to stop them expressing what is going on and in other cases trying to use emotional blackmail phoning employers if a person is anti multiculturalism in order to get them fired and their ability to get a job destroyed because of being labelled “racist” etc.

    This is globalisation, this is what the authors of multiculturalism set out to achieve, these some of the milder real life consequences you are experiencing, worse is to come. Only those who support the sustainable living that settled communities through secure ethnic territory, can stop this destruction of nations and peoples lives, you have been warned, and you have been warned about this by nationalists since the beginning of mass-immigration scam.

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    Favourite Cian O Donoghue
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:10 PM

    “The Housing Agency will be funded to acquire suitable portfolios of properties for social housing directly from financial institutions and investors – the planned investment of €70 million is likely to yield acquisitions of the order of 1,600 vacant properties”

    Did you actually read it Billy??

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    Favourite rodrigo detriano
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:13 PM

    €100,000 after tax and all that other nonsense would just about tempt me to rejoin the work force!!! I’d never work full time again though!

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    Favourite Anne Marie Devlin
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:39 PM

    @ stevencarroll. The vast majority of tenants passing through our estate have been Irish including the drug dealers and groups of lads working on short term building projects – granted most shift workers we’ve had were either Portuguese or Slovak

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    Favourite James Delaney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:39 PM

    @tommy macdonagh – Really. Do u pay household bills or if living at home, do you contribute to your household. Austerity over, my arse. You must be a high flyer or a freeloader.

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    Favourite James Delaney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:43 PM

    @john. Yes unfortunately these Entitled Freeloaders people get away with everything. The condition of the property & gardens should be assessed every 3mths & if not up ti scratch- evict them. These bleeding hearts rides good decent people at every turn. Time to get real with this s(um.

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    Favourite James Delaney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:46 PM

    @fred johnson – Yes they open their legs & think of Ireland & their future freeloading lifestyle – everything free from a home, nappies even a toothbrush.

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    Favourite stevenocarroll
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    Jul 19th 2016, 5:51 PM

    @AnneMarie Devlin

    The vast majority of transient workers in the state are not Irish though. And seeing as you you mention drugs we now have an increasing foreign imported drugs and crime problem. Multiculturalism is negative and destructive to all ethnicities worldwide, you have been warned.

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    Favourite Michael O'Reilly
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    Jul 19th 2016, 7:42 PM

    If that was the case 95% of pensioners would all be entitled to social housing!

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 8:19 PM

    Stephen, There are hundreds of thousands of British emigrants in Ireland you twit.

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    Favourite Billy Mooney
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    Jul 19th 2016, 8:22 PM

    Nick, You can’t be generating much profit for yourself multinational employer as you spend most of the day trotting around after me on the Journal like an obedient hound. Just tell the truth. You’re a blueshirt mouthpiece.

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    Favourite Max Power
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    Jul 19th 2016, 10:19 PM

    Shaner they changed it. It’s not based on points anymore. It doesn’t matter if u work or not or if u homeless it’s all based on your number on the list

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    Favourite Max Power
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    Jul 19th 2016, 10:22 PM

    John I get 33k have wife and two kids and car and pay 1250 per month rent and I’m not struggling.

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    Favourite Peter McMahon
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    Jul 19th 2016, 10:42 PM

    Would give this a thousand green thumbs, well said! Impossible to buy a house on my own, would be better off not working.

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    Jul 20th 2016, 12:41 AM

    @Max – if we put bills & your car at 400 a month, that pretty much leaves you on 200 a week for food, clothes, education costs, save, etc.

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    Favourite LogicalSarah
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    Jul 20th 2016, 4:52 AM

    Well said, I’m sick working and paying taxes for layabouts to get “a free gaff”. I have a mortgage and bills and we both work and we are skint. There is no news in this for us. Where is the poxy AAA AND People before profit to shout for working people. All they are about is the wasters!!

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    Favourite Robert Ward
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    Jul 20th 2016, 11:14 AM

    Sorry Tommy but it has not for a lot more people out there

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    Favourite John Walsh
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    Jul 20th 2016, 1:03 PM

    In my area during the tiger the local authority bought houses in a private estates to house asylum seekers . I wonder who is top of the queue for these houses ?

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