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Comment #5238021 by Oisín Ó Cuilleanáin

Oisín Ó Cuilleanáin Jul 4th 2016, 9:40 AM #

We would only have to vote twice anyway.

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Poll: Should Ireland hold a referendum on leaving the EU?

Poll: Should Ireland hold a referendum on leaving the EU?

A new campaign group wants just that – but what do you think?

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    Favourite Ron Spaghettini
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    Jul 4th 2016, 10:00 AM

    There would be no harm in scaring the crap out of Junker and Merkel though.

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    Favourite Chris Mcdonnell
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    Jul 4th 2016, 10:14 AM

    They way we vote and some of he people we vote for please god no. Or at least have a IQ test for the right to vote.

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    Favourite Ziggy722
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    Jul 4th 2016, 10:15 AM

    We would have to hold another referendum on whether we wished to vote twice. Lets have a referendum on the privatization of Irish Water ..oh wait the EU says we can’t.

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    Favourite Patrick Gough
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    Jul 4th 2016, 10:48 AM

    Yes once to leave the EU and once to leave the euro currency

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    Favourite ktsiwot
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    Jul 4th 2016, 10:49 AM

    Wait to see how it pans out for the British before doing anything rash, in a couple of years we will have a template one way or another. The British vote seems to have torn the UK apart. Scotland NI V England and Wales, Old v Young, London and a couple of the bigger cities v England, the hole political system not just party v party but inter party infighting like never seen before, no leadership, untold lies from both sides especially leave, an increase in Racism, and uncertainty about every thing apart from the fact that uncertainty prevails and an aftermath of bitterness. I have never seen the UK in a crisis as they are in now and there is no need to copy this.
    Wait a few years we can see if leaving is a disaster or success, and then we can decide, but there is no point in going for a referendum that leads to the above.

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    Favourite Patrick Gough
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    Jul 4th 2016, 10:50 AM

    junket and Merkel would not be scared if we left. We are a minnow. more American companies wouldover to Germany

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    Favourite Tensing Norgay
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    Jul 4th 2016, 11:18 AM

    This “we’d have to vote twice”, thing gets really boring , was there guns at peoples heads for the second vote , is there evidence of vote rigging ” urgh

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    Favourite OwenK74
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    Jul 4th 2016, 11:34 AM

    Gobsti-e we would have nothing without the EU .No roads ,No tourism, No nothing €10 Back for every €1 put in yeah let’s scare Germany and the EU

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    Favourite Lisa Dorothy
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    Jul 4th 2016, 12:00 PM

    Juncker and Merkel wouldn’t be scared, they aren’t in the least bit bothered about the EU leaving and they are the 6th biggest economy in the world. (They were the fifth, but ya know Brexit happened)

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    Favourite Lisa Dorothy
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    Jul 4th 2016, 12:00 PM

    That should say the UK!

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Jul 4th 2016, 12:04 PM

    The E.U is viciously anti working class and anti democratic. Time for a vote to exit the neoliberal trap.

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    Favourite tommy macdonagh
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    Jul 4th 2016, 12:11 PM

    imagine if the ye could only get the working class to vote for ye wally :D

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    Favourite tommy macdonagh
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    Jul 4th 2016, 12:12 PM

    calls something anti- democratic…. then demands a democratic vote on it, the mind boggles :D

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Jul 4th 2016, 12:44 PM

    The Greek people who have been savaged by the E.U should have a referendum on Grexit. If the result is to leave they should receive the same terms and conditions as Britain. The 2 year window under article 50 will allow and orderly exit from the monetary trap of the Euro and a return to the Drachma.

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    Favourite Oisín Ó Cuilleanáin
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    Jul 4th 2016, 12:53 PM

    You don’t get jokes to do you.

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    Favourite Rónán O'Suilleabháin
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:03 PM

    Wally I’m not sure Grexit and Brexit would be comparable from a negotiations stand point. The currency, and more specifically the euro-denominated debt would be abused during the negotiations.

    I can’t see there being debt forgiveness, and the Greeks could kiss goodbye to any negotiated trade deals if they chose to unilaterally replace euro-denominated debt with drachma denominated debt and devalue.

    In a way, we have already seen what happens if the Greeks try to give two fingers to Europe, albeit it would play out slowly over the two years, with an immediate run on their currency after the switchover.

    The British have the benefit of a hard currency which will be accepted for imports, the negative Greek balance of payments and a depreciating drachma could leave them starved of foreign currency reserves very quickly. It’s a different story for countries that would wish to trade in a soft currency.

    It would be chaos in Greece with nothing but their own central bank offering liquidity post-Grexit.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:07 PM

    Wally,

    If the EU is anti-working class, why have they been the single largest redistributor of wealth to the poorest and working class areas on the history of europe?

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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:10 PM

    Rónán, when considering the position of the Greek government it’s worth remembering that they entered the EU through fraudulent accounting and Goldman Sachs managed currency swap, there was endemic Political corruption and a society wide culture of tax evasion.

    I hate what happened in Greece but Wally’s schtick about the squeaky clean Greeks versus the bug bad EU is a propagandised version of reality.

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    Favourite james r
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:14 PM

    Ireland has been raped & pillaged by the e.u . Laid down by a banking debt . Sold everything Irish . Fisheries . Woodland air line toll bridges . Etc etc oil has everything ., fishing alone over € 600 billion . What hitler couldn’t do with a gun , Germany have with a pen

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    Favourite Mick Jordan
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:23 PM

    Wally. the Greeks had their chance when they voted in Syriza. But guess what Greece is still in.

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    Favourite Joseph Siddall
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:27 PM

    Tommy, it actually makes perfect…….. Oh, I can’t be bothered.

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    Favourite mr magoo
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:39 PM

    Why would anyone vote for us not to have a referendum ? Afraid we might get a chance at democracy ? People who want to be controlled love the EU and don’t want anyone else to have a say

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    Favourite mr magoo
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:40 PM

    Well said Wally. Bring on Eirexit

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    Favourite Stephen Brady
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:51 PM

    I voted no just because I don’t think we are ready to vote out. Even though I would vote to leave.

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    Favourite Paul Maguire
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:53 PM

    I do think we should let the irish people have a say If we want to leave the EU or not.

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    Favourite Rónán O'Suilleabháin
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    Jul 4th 2016, 1:55 PM

    I’m well aware of their history, stopit, and I don’t buy any protests of cleanliness.

    Regardless of how they got there, they don’t have a clean exit unless the whole thing goes under. Recent history shows that Europe is confident of letting a peripheral state (or their banks, or both) run out of cash without contagion. Cyprus and Greece are proof.

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    Favourite Tony Canning
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    Jul 4th 2016, 2:33 PM

    I don’t think we can take comment sections as a good indication of the will of the people. Referendums are put when there is a will to have change. I’m not seeing that in Ireland.

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    Favourite Tensing Norgay
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    Jul 4th 2016, 2:48 PM

    The want outs ! Wally represents the extreme left , JM Le Pen and the Dutch & Austrian loopers the extreme right . Does that not tell people all they need to know .

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    Favourite Greg Seymour
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    Jul 4th 2016, 2:50 PM

    The sheeple want to stay slaves to the EU! sad!!

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    Favourite Shane Nolan
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    Jul 4th 2016, 2:59 PM

    Typical negative giving up paddy mentality at play

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    Favourite shane nolan
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    Jul 4th 2016, 3:01 PM

    The typical negative paddy mentality

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    Favourite Rónán O'Suilleabháin
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    Jul 4th 2016, 3:47 PM

    Those dastardly European slave drivers with their months of parental leave for men and women, 37 hour work weeks and their 6 weeks of vacation. We must stop them before they enforce this hardship on us!

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Jul 4th 2016, 3:58 PM

    Ronan, You missed the 6 day working week they’re imposing on Greece along with the wholesale privatisation of their resources and infrastructure. The E.U. has always served capital with a thin veneer of progressive policies that disappeared in the blink of an eye when the financial system collapsed itself in 2008.

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:00 PM

    And you’re accepting above that they E.U would abuse their dominant financial position in any Grexit negotiations. Which begs the question. Is it a European union or a trap?

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    Favourite Irish Spider-Man
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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:03 PM

    Maybe an IQ test to stand for election seeing as we get self serving morally compromised short sighted Luddites as public representatives

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    Favourite Chris Mcdonnell
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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:19 PM

    Wally just because you don’t like to work the rest of would like to keep our jobs.

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    Favourite Nick Allen
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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:30 PM

    Patrick

    If we left the EU we would be turfed out of the Euro too.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:34 PM

    Ktsiwot

    We can compare us potentially leaving to anything that happens in GB in the coming years. We are hugely different economies and population sizes. It would be a seriously dangerous and naive decision to see what transpires in GB and use that as a basis for anything we should do

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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:34 PM

    TN

    Well said!

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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:40 PM

    Wally

    The elitist neoliberals, like it or not, are still part of the democratic voting process. This maybe why the AAA/PBP only managed a miserable less than 4% in the last election. Considering the incumbent government was disliked and people still don’t trust FF, this really shows how weak the support would be and in essence simply a waste of money.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:42 PM

    Wally

    And when they leave they can start printing as much Drachma and everyone would be happy. It would make you wonder why they actually voted to stay in the EU. The must be quite dim if they don’t understand the huge benefits of printing your own currency.

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:46 PM

    Nick, And which of our establishment parties do you speak for?

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Jul 4th 2016, 4:49 PM

    Nick, You also fail to understand that before Greece joined the Euro they issued their own currency at will. Like all currency issuers they can expand their money supply within the limits of the economy to produce goods & services to purchase with the addional money. This has been explained to you many times now my hard of thinking friend.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 5:17 PM

    Sure vote a third time…

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    Favourite Seán Domhnall O'Sullivan
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    Jul 4th 2016, 5:52 PM

    Remember vote Lisbon for jobs? Hey E.U. supporters? You are in the main being very very duped. The ship is sinking under German hegemony and the UK knew to get OUT!!

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    Jul 4th 2016, 6:48 PM

    Unbelievable how many people are stuck in media induced comas, programmed to believe that living under a neo-liberal bureaucratic dictatorship is the only way a country can survive. Most of the worlds nations are outside the EU and do ok without being dictated to and having the natural resources robbed from them. Even the countries in Europe who are not in the EU are some of the richest in the world and have full democratic control of their nations. The EU is an abomination when compared to the original EEC and for those that think it can somehow be changed back to what it once was and that the power hungry unelected running the show will somehow relinquish their power , are living in dreamland. The only way things are going to change at this stage is if the EU collapses and the individual nations agree to a European community based on democratic principals for trade and freedom of movement. There is a lot of scaremongering going on on both sides of this debate but in my opinion one of the scariest things about the EU is the closed nature of decision making by the unelected especially around the likes of TTIP which by all accounts will be one of the worst things to happen to Europe’s nations and its people, allowing corporations control over us all. If given the chance I would vote leave, not that Im expecting to get that chance any time soon but that wont stop me pushing for it and fighting against the media and bureaucratic elite. For anyone wanting out please check out http://www.facebook.com/eirexit and help continue to raise awareness against the EU farce supported by the media.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 7:11 PM
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    Favourite Ron Spaghettini
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    Jul 4th 2016, 8:03 PM

    Domino effect my son. Why would US company’s move to a higher corporation tax regime?

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    Favourite Chris McNamara
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    Jul 4th 2016, 8:35 PM

    You’re not allowed mention anything positive on the EU Ronan , the loopers hold sway in the comments , yet over 70% of the poll on this very article would say no to a referendum because they recognise the debate would be dominated by crazy’s on both sides, people vote on emotion and other issues

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    Jul 4th 2016, 8:45 PM

    Wally

    Unlike yourself I don’t speak for a party, I have my own mind and make my own decisions.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 8:49 PM

    Wally

    Just saying you explained something does not make it true nor your explanation correct. Your deflection from debating a point becomes quite laughable at times. I could just
    As easily say to you that I explained to you on many occasions that simply printing money doesn’t work. Maybe I should let my 14 year old son explain it, he may speak with words you find easier to understand.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 9:34 PM

    Wally.. i suppose you where born and bred in a working class area and love lecturing genuine Woking class people about socialism and capitalist inthe world. .!!!

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    Jul 4th 2016, 9:35 PM

    Even the term “printing money” betrays your macroeconomic ignorance Nick. The vast majority of money is never printed and only ever exists as electronic account entries. Hopefully your son avoids his father’s comprehension deficit.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 9:42 PM

    Looking at the poll here. There is a lot of clowns still in this country

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    Jul 4th 2016, 10:57 PM

    Boring for you Tensing but a reality for the rest of us. It took them 15 minutes to tell us that we had voted the wrong way and then during Lisbon they were complaining that Nice “had tied their hands” I will never forgive for a lot of things but especially for not telling The EU that we had voted and that was that.

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    Jul 4th 2016, 11:45 PM

    Kerry – does your comment imply you are not a clown . You know the way forward . That’s good to know, so you have all the angles covered . Tell us , how does Brexit pan out for us in the end ??

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    Favourite eastsmer #IRExit
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    Jul 5th 2016, 1:32 AM

    Monaco, Andorra, Vatican City, San Marino, Kosovo & Montnegro all use the Euro yet they are not members of the EU

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    Favourite James Delaney
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    Jul 5th 2016, 4:10 AM

    IQ Test should be compulsory in Kerry & Tipperary.

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    Favourite James Delaney
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    Jul 5th 2016, 4:16 AM

    @wally. I think Ireland was savaged much more than Greece. The Greeks don’t have a tax system – they pay sfa to run their country – Greece is hugely corrupt when it comes to tax. In Ireland on the other hand – we’re taxed to the hilt. The Eu had & has to, use the stick approach to get the Greeks take responsibility for their ongoing deficeit.

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    Jul 5th 2016, 11:18 AM

    More deflection Wally

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