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Comment #4840690 by trashbaby

trashbaby Mar 2nd 2016, 1:08 PM #

Taking the piss at this stage. Haven’t met a single person who believes they deserve the pay hike they’re demanding.

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Luas drivers will strike on Easter Sunday and Monday

Luas drivers will strike on Easter Sunday and Monday

It comes in addition to St Patrick’s Day.

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    Favourite Joe Smith
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:13 PM

    People before profit supports them

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    Favourite Declan O'Flaherty
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:15 PM

    They’ll be for anything as long as they don’t have to actually make a decision

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    Favourite Justin Kearney
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:28 PM

    Lol Joe. Of course people before profit support them. That makes total sense.

    The Luas is not making any profit !

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    Favourite Richard Cynical
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:30 PM

    I don’t see why it can’t be run remotely

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:33 PM

    And the Green Religion and the lefties want us to abandon our cars for public transport. They can fuk off.

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    Favourite Larissa Caroline Nikolaus
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:46 PM

    @Richard, I think the problem is that because it runs level with other traffic, unlike for instance the DLR in London, which doesn’t interact with any other traffic and can therefore run driverless

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    Favourite ellis
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:48 PM

    They should be given an ultimatum. Call of the strike or be sacked with immediate effect. I guarantee some of the driver s will buckle. And if they don’t? The city can cope for 2 or 3 month s without a Luas whilst new drivers are trained up.

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    Favourite Alan Cooke
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:50 PM

    What dope wrote that article.
    Paddy’s day is on Thursday not Tuesday.
    Maybe the “Shinners” paddy’s day is on Tuesday.

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    Favourite Peter Browne
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:56 PM

    What dope read that article? Read it again. They’re going on strike on Tuesday and on Paddy’s Day.

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    Favourite Ciaran McCann
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 1:58 PM

    Read the article again you gimp!! Next Tuesday, THEN St Patricks day!!

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    Favourite Brendan Greene
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:03 PM

    Ellis, that would be illegal and unconstitutional if the industrial action is taken in accordance with the correct procedures. This action is perfectly legal.

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    Favourite jane
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:12 PM

    Is there anything the company can do apart from giving in to these demands?

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    Favourite Tom Kelly
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:12 PM

    Dirtbirds

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:17 PM

    Solidarity with the drivers. The same people who are apoplectic with outrage at the very notion of tram drivers earning €60k hardly bat an eyelid when senior bank executives earn 10, 20 or 100 times that figure.

    The bankers produce nothing of value and their financial institutions are parasitic on the real economy and the workers and when they fail we get to pick up the monstrous bill. The Luas drivers in contrast provide a valuable service bring tens of thousands into and out of the city every day.

    The bankers’ huge wealth is hoarded and the vast majority of it will never circulate in the domestic economy. In contrast, the drivers will spend most or all of their €60 (less tax) into the local economy which pays other worker’s wages and supports other families as the macro economy is circular.

    Solidarity with the drivers and all workers struggling to obtain a greater share of the wealth which we create. The great and largely unspoken divide in society is the one between capital and labour and the vast majority of us are on the labour side though many don’t seem to understand this.

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    Favourite ellis
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:19 PM

    I know dozens of people in this city who would jump at the chance to do this piece of pi $$ job for that kind of generous wage and good conditions. Everybody using the Luas should let these ingrates know how Dubs feel about them.

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    Favourite Eel Knack Mole
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:26 PM

    Fire one worker every hour until they give in. Pick the names out of hat. That’ll sort ‘em.

    Shame that this would be illegal.

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    Favourite Justin Kearney
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:27 PM

    @Wally, whats wrong with a Senior Banker earning 10,20,100 , times the salary of somebody that pushes a lever forward and back and waves at other people pushing a lever forward and back for a living.

    Seems fine to me.

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    Favourite Paul Hughes
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:28 PM

    Wally these paddys day and Easter Sunday are going to be arguably the two biggest days for tourism this year. They’re holding so much to ransom by striking then. I honestly hope transdev crush them. Walk down to the dole office and ask anyone there to do their job for the wage their earning now, I’d say you could fill those jobs ten fold

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    Favourite Decky Morgan
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:32 PM

    Why do you compare the kuas drivers to any other job….their output does not justify the current pay theybare in never mind the pay rise…..if they want he big bucks like a banker or train driver then tell them to do what everyone else does and apply for those jobs

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 2:46 PM

    You’re a right wally alright. Communism doesn’t work. The idea that bankers produce nothing is a farcical comment. Organizing finance, giving loans and investing underpin property purchases, business expansion and even such trivial businesses like the billion euro car business. Top bankers earn millions and even billions for their companies by creating wealth and deserve and are rightly incentivized by a cut of that profit.

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    Favourite Paul Dunne
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 3:12 PM

    ah jasis alan that’s just careless.

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 3:29 PM

    Clearly it’s Mr. Grogan who requires the economics lesson.

    As stated, bankers produce nothing of real value. What they do produce in vast quantities is new money by the simple act of pressing a computer keyboard each and every time they issue a loan:
    “By far the largest role in creating broad money is played by the banking sector…when banks make loans they create additional deposits for those that have borrowed.”

    http://www.neweconomics.org/publications/entry/where-does-money-come-from

    They use this enormous privilege to fuel the periodic property bubbles that wreak economic havoc across the globe including the recent U.S and Irish ones.

    The finance sector is just one part of the wider capitalist support infrastructure including academia and the media which peddles the illusion that money is a scare resource. That is utter nonsense. Our fiat floating currency and money is created (and deleted) at will on the computer keyboards of the world’s commercial and central banks.

    It’s important to differentiate between money and real wealth/ resources. Money is how we measure wealth and also a claim on that wealth which society creates but it has no intrinsic value in itself. Money primarily exists as digits on a computer screens in the finance sector which at its core is just the vast sand rigged scoreboard of capitalism.

    At a macro/government level, there can always be as much (or as little) money circulating in the economy as there needs to be to create full employment and control inflation. Governments (except the ones in the monetary trap of the euro) spend their own currency into existence at will and then tax it back out of circulation in a continuous flow. Fundamentally, money is just a tool to measure and allocate resources.

    In contrast, the real wealth of goods and services that we all depend on is created by the labour and skill of the working class from the raw material of the planet. . Everything from the food in our bellies to the clothes on our backs right up to the most sophisticated technology is made by the workers.

    Money is a claim on that real wealth produced by the working class and this is where money derives it’s power. The capitalist system peddles the illusion that there is a shortage of money (balance the books, reduce the deficit, live within your means etc) in order to oppress and control the working class who are the real creators of wealth

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    Favourite Shane Cal
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 3:34 PM

    They’ll be delighted to know that the company makes zero profit so.

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    Favourite buzzbaron
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 3:51 PM

    What are blabbering on about you eejit Waddler. These clowns already get paid more then Garda, Nurses, Teachers and they want more. Your support is the exact reason why I didn’t give you lot a vote.

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 4:05 PM

    Buzz,

    Our graduate nurses and teacher salaries are an insult. They’ve been savaged to pay for other’s debts along with the rest of our public services after the supposedly “efficient” private sector banking sector collapsed into an insolvent heap in its entirety in 2008.The problem is not that the Luas drivers are paid too much but that the professionals holding our social supports together are paid far far too little.

    Solidarity with the drivers and all workers struggling to obtain a greater share of the wealth which we create. As the data clearly shows, the trend over the past few decades has been overwhelmingly in the opposite direction with greater and greater wealth accumulating to capital owners and less and less to the workers. This has disastrous consequences for society and it’s long past time we stopped the rot.

    https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2016-01-18/62-people-own-same-half-world-reveals-oxfam-davos-report

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    Favourite Derek Walsh
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 4:09 PM

    Wally, the drivers aren’t creating wealth, they’re destroying it. Wealth creators produce a profit, whereas the Luas is running at a loss.

    Transdev have no reason to give into the drivers’ demands. They save money by not running the service.

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    Favourite Gordon Hughes
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 4:09 PM

    Wally How many seats Did the AAA gain in the election , Do not include the PBP seats thanks you …

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    Favourite buzzbaron
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 4:11 PM

    I agree, teacher, nurses, garda etc wages are an insult but come on now, these jokers looking for a 54% increase in their wages for I may add quite an effortless job is a far bigger insult. Who do you think will be paying for said wage increases if they get it?

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    Favourite Wally Mooney
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 4:15 PM

    Derek,
    Transdev is a private company which has no business operating the state owned light rail network. This allows private capital to profit from the collectively owned infrastructure. The private sector maximizes profits by increasing prices, downgrading the service or diminishing wages and working conditions We’ve multiple examples of this. The service should be run by the state with the twin objectives of providing an efficient service to the public and decent jobs for the workers. If profits are generated then these can be returned to the exchequer or be reflected in reduced fares to collectively benefit everyone.

    P.S. There are many ways to create wealth without producing a profit. The health service for example is a huge store of society’s real wealth which will never generate a profit, nor should it.

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    Favourite Termaz Fx
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 4:55 PM

    Wally, just stop it, ok? Simply stop.
    You are already over the threshold line with the lefty bs and you clearly have no clue on how the banks or the economy works.
    Soviet type whataboutism also looks extremely poor.

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    Favourite Gordon Hughes
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 5:36 PM

    Wally and the AAA have zero ability to deal with real world issues outside of saying no to water charges . This was reflected in the AAA gaining Zero additional seats in the Election .

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    Favourite Owen.K74
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 6:11 PM

    @ellis fu-k them all out I’ll do the job for 20%less than they get now and I’d still be better off than I am now .and i have a full time driving job

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    Favourite Owen.K74
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 6:13 PM

    @wally Your a di-k head 58% PAY RISE my BOLL-X THEY GET ENOUGH

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    Mute Anthony Healy Poroloniczak
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 6:15 PM

    You Wally

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    Favourite Lucy Legacy
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 6:55 PM

    Ok I am never voting for AAA after that comment.

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    Favourite Juan Venegas
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 7:22 PM

    Hey Wally, Let’s say that you’re right and you’re whinging because the Luas is private and it should be public. I don’t want my tax money to pay €60K for a lever pusher. Transdev is at lost which means that the Luas in the state hands will be at loss and I don;t want my tax money to over pay some moaner level pusher to go into an ever deeper loss. If there is a job which should be paid the bear minimum is a Luas “driver” A cleaner has much more merits to get paid more than them.

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    Favourite Helen Thornbury
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 7:36 PM

    Wally – please don’t put our newly qualified nurses and teacher’s salaries in the same context as the Luas drivers. Those professionals have spent 4 plus years studying at University after working hard throughout school to gain entry. Their entry level salaries are an insult to the work they do. The Luas drivers demanding 60k have trained for 6 months. Probably about the same amount of time it would take to learn to drive a car and certainly significantly less time than it takes to qualify as a nurse or teacher

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    Favourite jonathon stone
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 7:49 PM

    I think they deserve it, so now you have one

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    Favourite Seosamh B
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:02 PM

    If the drivers can’t reach an agreement they should quit and seek employment elsewhere for the salary they desire!!

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    Favourite A Guy
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:21 PM

    I don’t think it would take 2 to 3 months to train them.

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    Favourite Eamonom
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:23 PM

    Wally boy – “He who shall not work, neither shall he work” VL Lenin (by way of Thesselonians)
    Also: “From each according to his ability, To each according to his need” Karl Marx.
    Neither of with your fraternal brothers on the alias seemed to have heard

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    Favourite Eamonom
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:24 PM

    *Luas

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    Favourite Eamonom
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:25 PM

    Lol Made a balls of that first quote. ” He who does not work, neither shall he eat”.
    Ah well at least you know I didn’t copy and paste

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    Favourite A Guy
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:30 PM

    I imagine the copy and paste shortcut keys on your keyboard are worn through at this stage.

    All those evil bankers funding government borrowing and managing the pension pots of ordinary workers and the db pension plans of the public sector workers.

    How’s your version of economics working out for Venezuela? I can grab you a screenshot of the 2 year cds if you like?

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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:46 PM

    What’s scary is there are people that share wally’s view of the world in the Dail

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    Favourite James Darby
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 8:49 PM

    Wally by name

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    Favourite Eamonom
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 9:11 PM

    Oh my goodness what a sharp wit you are. Venezuela a basket case due to the unprecedented drop in oil prices. And people can be point out the obvious high handedness of the Luas driver negotiation position with being Neo-thermedorians

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    Favourite John
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 10:10 PM

    @ellis

    “The city can cope for 2 or 3 month s without a Luas whilst new drivers are trained up.” ???/

    The Luas only goes forward or stops. 2 or 3 hours should surely do it.

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    Mar 2nd 2016, 11:31 PM

    Check out Venezuelan inflation rates prior to collapse in oil, the looney left always blames everything expect the system, give me one example of a hard left economic system that has worked??

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    Favourite Jarrett moon
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 11:43 PM

    Get furked wally. Wally by name wally by nature

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    Favourite Alan Røøney
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    Mar 2nd 2016, 11:57 PM

    Wally, what a ridiculous comment! This is exactly why I don’t favour AAA/Sinn Fein etc. Social egalitarianism is nonsense, what’s wrong with somebody earning a higher salary for a more specialist job? If somebody wants to be paid more then go and earn it, nothing falls on anyone’s lap, and, as far as I’m concerned, that’s how it should always be. Those who want, should earn for it, otherwise be happy with what you’ve settled for. “Because somebody else has it” isn’t a valid claim. There’d be no incentive whatsoever for anybody to pursue education or better themselves if we lived in a society where it was mandatory for everybody to be on the same social footing.

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    Favourite Owen Merne
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 1:47 AM

    Yes they do provide a valuable service but you know their pay currently already reflects that, bus eireann, iarnrod eireann, Dublin bus all provide valuable public services and I don’t see them on the picket line looking for an absurd amount of money 60k a year, and using it to hold the general public to ransom, that’s almost as much as a junior doctor and 30k more than starting pay for a teacher or nurse, which I’ll think you’ll find is at least 4 years in university without internships ect. I think I read somewhere that you don’t need a leaving cert to do the job (that may be wrong and I apologise if it is). So it’s the age old problem in this country people who work hard, put the effort in get limited financial reward and those who do very little think they have an entitlement to the gravy train. You accuse banks of greed. essentially, what is this if not greed. Plus I’m pretty sure that the big executives you say don’t spend their money, apparently don’t eat, fill their cars with fuel or have families or contribute to society in anyway. Your arguments would be better if they were impartial or if they made sense

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    Favourite Brendan Hughes
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 1:51 AM

    They should do it anyway and test it in court.

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    Favourite Donal O'Carroll
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:06 AM

    Shut up Wally

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    Favourite Ronan McDermott
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:33 AM

    Bankers this bankers that , common man blah blah . You’re outta your mind if you think this strike is reasonable or their demands are reasonable either

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    Favourite Billy@Rangers
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 9:15 AM

    I’ve met loads of people who support this strike

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    Favourite David J Delaney
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 9:26 AM

    Hire new drivers. I’d push a lever, turn three twist nobs and open and close a door for their money.

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    Favourite David J Delaney
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 9:32 AM

    Most people despise greed. Luas drivers are looking for way too much. If you want to get behind members of the public get behind Gardai, nurses, teachers and workers that will make a difference, not the bloody tram drivers. People on the street hate what they are trying because it’s simply greed.

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    Favourite Joseph Siddall
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 9:35 AM

    A Guy…an example of a hard-left economic system that has worked? How about….? Or…? There again, there is…..? Nope, can’t think of a single one. Ever.

    However, Wally and his mates will tell you that all those that tried have failed due to external influences, never their own incompetence. The Left are always right. Everyone else conspires to defeat them. I think they actually suffer from a clinical illness. Or they are just stupid and/or cynical and trying for a place on the Socialist Gravy Train.

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    Favourite James Maloney
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 10:57 AM

    Yes… look at Venezuela. Look at how Socialism destroyed a fabulous country. Look at their crime rates. Look at their production output. Look at their unemployment rate. Look at their currency controls. Their people are virtually trapped within the country due to constant devaluing Bolivar (currency). Talk to Venezuelan people here. Ask them about Socialism. Ask them what happens when you turn too far left.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:57 PM

    Look at Ireland after successive right wing governments,a lawless banana republic

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    Favourite Billy@Rangers
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 6:59 PM

    Ellis try driving with junkies shitting and pissing and fighting on tram,cars and buses blocking the yellow boxes no police force to police traffic,no transport police to arrest thugs,the wages would be good in Germany because everything works properly,let’s face it these drivers are working in a lawless banana republic

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    Favourite James Maloney
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    Mar 4th 2016, 4:33 PM

    “Lawless banana republic” is an extreme exaggeration! Accuracy, truth & balance is often difficult to find on The Journal comments from left wing groups

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    Favourite jason o shea
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    Mar 4th 2016, 11:38 PM

    You must never of been on it then

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    Favourite jason o shea
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    Mar 4th 2016, 11:42 PM

    The city was bedlam for the 4 days of their strlke

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