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Comment #5301737 by Tom Daly

Tom Daly Jul 24th 2016, 9:04 PM #

Well written and a fair, personal commentary on our national priorities.

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Working the frontline: Here's how I live on €23,171 (before tax) a year

Working the frontline: Here's how I live on €23,171 (before tax) a year

‘My most foolhardy move?’ Leaving the private sector and joining An Garda Síochána, admits this frontline worker.

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    Favourite Greg Kelly
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    Jul 24th 2016, 9:17 PM

    What a disgrace. Almost Half of what a Luas driver gets. How is this right? Luas drivers should be fired and new ones hired at €23k and give the gardai the Luas driver rates which might inspire others to join the force.

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    Favourite John Cusack
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    Jul 24th 2016, 9:25 PM

    Doesn’t tell the full story. Don’t you go to court on your day off and get triple overtime?

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    Favourite Risteárd
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    Jul 24th 2016, 9:33 PM

    Triple overtime???!!! You might show us where you got that “fact” from please!
    Or is this another one of those “facts” that are stated at the pub counter each night like the one “a Garda can’t arrest you if he’s not wearing his hat”. Comical stuff!!!

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    Favourite Gary Jordan
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    Jul 24th 2016, 9:34 PM

    And what do u do on ur day off John? ? Relax ? See your family ?? Have time with your kids and friends ?? Or are u forced to go to work to earn a crust ??

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    Favourite Alien8
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    Jul 24th 2016, 9:41 PM

    well written? it is completely contrived and straight from the GRA press office. Over 30, a guard and hasn’t found a nurse in coppers yet… compete bull!

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    Favourite Paul Hughes
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    Jul 24th 2016, 9:59 PM

    What a complete joke. I work full time during the summer and other holidays which is around 40-45 hours a week and I earn more then the people that are tasked with an outrageously strenuous job….. I work in a deli.

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    Favourite James Gorman
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    Jul 24th 2016, 10:14 PM

    How was this article published when the most important fact is incorrect i.e. the gross earnings. A Garda works a 24 hour 7 day roster which attracts shift and premia allowances. This should add 25% to gross earnings yet the anonymous author claims to gross only the starting salary.

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    Favourite Valthebear
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    Jul 24th 2016, 10:15 PM

    Or maybe the Luas drivers are right. Even on double a trainee guards pay you could hardly afford accommodation in Dublin

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    Favourite rodrigo detriano
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    Jul 24th 2016, 10:15 PM

    Now it’s easier to understand why they’re so unhelpful and uninterested in people’s problems!

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    Favourite Ava Stapleton
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    Jul 24th 2016, 10:16 PM

    Disgraceful the way People doing dangerous Jobs are treated.

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    Favourite Karl Carroll
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    Jul 24th 2016, 10:26 PM

    No, its time and a half and its OVERTIME on your day off FFS!!!

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    Favourite Anne Quinn
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    Jul 24th 2016, 10:30 PM

    The low wage the gardai are paid is shocking but then again the government needs the extra money to pay all those advisors they are hiring as they are not capable of running the country themselves

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    Favourite sparky
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    Jul 24th 2016, 10:52 PM

    Why is it a disgrace..working in the private sector isn’t a holiday..if they don’t like it change career,I as many other people in the private sector have faced these problems..yawn.

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    Favourite D'unredactable
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    Jul 24th 2016, 11:09 PM

    Poor Greg….as if it’s in any way plausible to interfere with the hard earned and secured wages of Profit Sector employees in order to pay exploited public servants properly…..would this be the new fangled Fianna Gowl Profit-Public Partnership proposal by any chance!?!

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    Favourite Saul Goodman
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    Jul 24th 2016, 11:26 PM

    I find something completely off in this article too which leads me to think it’s fabricated. The Garda said that he was the subject to GSOC investigations which were not upheld. After less than a year of starting out? Total bs. Everyone knows they take an average of two years to conclude. It’s a fake article but with truthful tones I think. All the same stories covered before

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    Favourite Karl Carroll
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    Jul 24th 2016, 11:27 PM

    Indeed not but you dont see Gardai demanding the private sector take a wage cut do you?

    Shared the pain, now you share the gain

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    Favourite sparky
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    Jul 24th 2016, 11:32 PM

    Karl. The problem is the private sector don’t have a choice,they have suffered more..your comment was ignorance at its best.

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    Favourite Karl Alldritt
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    Jul 24th 2016, 11:36 PM

    Plenty of people earn less in the first year in a profession. Make no mistake, regardless of the pension levy they do unbelievably well from the pensions between the lump sum and high payment. I pay into my pension every month but will not retire on a Garda level. Also I, like many people, went to college for four years, 22 weeks training? Maybe you need to accept what you are worth off the back of that

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    Favourite ijlester
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    Jul 24th 2016, 11:53 PM

    Clown

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    Favourite Gary McGrath
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    Jul 24th 2016, 11:59 PM

    I believe the article is fabricated, but has more substance than your rubbish comment. You think 4 years of college is some magic entitlement to talk down on people who literally risk their lives on a daily basis to police our streets and keep ignorant yuppies like you from getting their heads cracked open after a few too many cocktails? Pure ignorance

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    Favourite Richard Cronin
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    Jul 25th 2016, 12:13 AM

    In your 20′s owning a car a few years old, that does not happen unless you come from wealth. Is this the feeble writings of some delusional FG?

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    Favourite Peter Fechter
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    Jul 25th 2016, 12:14 AM

    Gary..im inclined to agree with you…college time is often more about indoctrination and fees than critical thinking….

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    Favourite Aaron Hynes
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    Jul 25th 2016, 12:17 AM

    Many people are missing the point here. Sure, he could leave the force and get a better paying job elsewhere, however the crux of the article is that the wages offered no where near reflect the responsibility of the job.

    A minimum wage should be reflective of the amount of responsibility involved in that job. We are not talking about collecting glasses in a pub or packing shelves in a supermarket. A guard is a job with huge responsibility, same as a many other front line staff in the public sector.

    Comparing this guard with a similar entrant in the private sector is also not reflective. An accountant for example doesn’t start their career auditing corporate tax accounts, more likely they begin with low responsibility reconciling of small accounts etc and gradually with more training and experience work their way up the responsibility ladder and wage structure. A guard could step out from templemore and be stationed in Dublin and be called to a murder or a shooting on their first day. The level of responsibility on day one is the same as year 20. For this reason, anyone arguing that €23k is an adequate or fair starting salary for this level or responsibility needs their head examined.

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    Favourite Peter Fechter
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    Jul 25th 2016, 12:22 AM

    Aaron…well said.im not a garda lover….prefer to keep them at arms lenght…but very pleased to see them when i need them.imagine an Ireland without them for a day.

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    Favourite John Cusack
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    Jul 25th 2016, 12:28 AM

    I make movies!

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    Favourite Karl Carroll
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    Jul 25th 2016, 12:31 AM

    ignorance in what way? Care to enlighten me somewhat? That over 90% of private sector workers kept their jobs during the recession? That many continued to get pay increases?

    This is all tired arguements, you have a chip on your shoulder, for what I dont know or care but try and back up your arguements with some evidence please

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    Favourite Derek Trotter
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    Jul 25th 2016, 12:31 AM

    Karl Public sector workers pay into there pension too. Unlike the private sector they have a levy on theirs as it comes out at source. It works out at greater than the usc. Next time your house/car is robbed dont ring the guards. Ring a doctor who studied for 9 years in collage. Grow up ya snob.

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    Jul 25th 2016, 1:01 AM

    Should have picked Luas driving then

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    Favourite Mary McLoughlin
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    Jul 25th 2016, 1:15 AM

    Well said!

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    Favourite Peter Fechter
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    Jul 25th 2016, 1:44 AM

    Comment of the week.though some of mine were better…

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    Favourite sparky
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    Jul 25th 2016, 2:20 AM

    Aaron..your post is total nonsense. But carry on…I find it laughable.

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    Favourite ciaran
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    Jul 25th 2016, 6:33 AM

    lets get a petition going, an ad campaign would be nice, Inform these new recruits what their basic starting salary is BEFORE they apply for their dream job!
    yes I do agree they are underpaid when you compare the powers given them after a little light training in Templemore, as alan Kelly says “power is a drug”

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    Favourite Ed Magnier
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    Jul 25th 2016, 6:38 AM

    Try living in a country where the police force can’t live a decent life on their wages. Think you wouldn’t be long changing your mind.

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    Favourite Martin Buckley
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    Jul 25th 2016, 7:09 AM

    I agree. I earn almost double what he earns and I definitely couldn’t afford to live in the city even if I wanted too.

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    Favourite David Conroy
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    Jul 25th 2016, 8:09 AM

    &Rodrigo. Your comment adds insult to injury, its a national disgrace that people doing such a dangerous and demanding job are paid an insulting wage !

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    Favourite Charlie Melia
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    Jul 25th 2016, 10:22 AM

    Judging by the horrible attitude I’ve come across at checkpoints and the disgraceful behaviour of some of the force at water protests I’ve covered I don’t understand why any decent person would want to join such an organisation nowadays. Definitely not the force I remember years ago. I use to have the utmost respect for the men and women who put themselves forward to this job. But the current crop seems to attract a very obnoxious thug class of person. The decent members of the force must be disgusted with the disgraceful behaviour of a lot of their colleagues. A lot of them claim they don’t get the respect they deserve but they must realise the current method of beating respect into citizens certainly isn’t the answer. Maybe one day the decent members will stand up and deal with thug element in their midst and show a Police Force to be proud of again.

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    Favourite Lilly Passet-Nash
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    Jul 25th 2016, 10:30 AM

    @PaulHughes. Are you forced to pay health insurance and pension plan?? Health insurance costs a hefty amount and so does pension plan Maybe you should take some out and then come back and let us know how much you have left…

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    Favourite David Conroy
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    Jul 25th 2016, 1:16 PM

    @Charlie. In all my years driving I have only met one obnoxious Garda and that was in 2005. Every other Member was pleasant and respectful in their dealings with me. I find that if you give respect you will generally get it back. In the case of our Water Warriors no respect was ever shown only pure hatred. No other police force in Europe would have put up with behaviour like that !

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    Favourite Gerry Fallon
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    Jul 25th 2016, 5:48 PM

    You are talking rubbish mate.

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    Favourite Gerry Fallon
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    Jul 25th 2016, 7:42 PM

    Completely contrived?really.how do you know that?and what’s your bull about coppers?your name alien8 sums you up pal.

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    Favourite Gerry Fallon
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    Jul 25th 2016, 7:44 PM

    Rodrigo. You are not in your own country now boy! This is Ireland and the garda are sound.so be careful.

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    Favourite John Joseph McDermott
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    Jul 28th 2016, 11:43 AM

    The gardai should not have allowed themselves to be used as a proxy army of enforcers for Redacted o’Swine’s water meter installers.
    This whinge is better than the poor farmers cry from atop their new tractors.
    I have had a deduction of 20% in my contributory old age pension because they changed the rules midstream on stamp eligibility. I have no hope of getting it back to its proper level either, no strike threat weapons; no public service union either, to whisper in the ear of Brendan Howlin & co.

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    Favourite Stuart Kelly
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    Jul 30th 2016, 2:46 AM

    Your job is a dopey dead end one his well his one is not a dead end one anyway.

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