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Comment #6609295 by Simon O'Connor

Simon O'Connor Oct 22nd 2017, 7:55 PM #

The issue I have with the #Me too which went viral is that it doesn’t differentiate between checking the person out, cat calling, groping, or in the worst case scenario, rape. I personally don’t see an issue with checking a person out, even the most decent people will do it, men and women – albeit subtly. However, anything beyond that is unacceptable. For me the problem is that by categorising all of these together devalues the harm and hurt caused by physical abuse. Somebody telling a female to smile cannot fall into the same bracket as physical violation of someone’s body.

I really hope this will empower people to speak out, but not at the price of chivalry whereby a guy holds a door open for a lady, or compliments her. As I’m sure the majority of decent people will do regularly.

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#MeToo: 'I have been drugged twice by men I knew'

#MeToo: 'I have been drugged twice by men I knew'

#MeToo was spawned by the Harvey Weinstein revelations and is where women are detailing incidences of sexual assault and harassment online.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 8:35 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: Checking someone out is not the same as leering. If you are unable to understand scales you appear to have had no experience of someone deliberately choosing to behave in a manner that makes another uncomfortable. And those who choose to engage in forms of extreme sexual violence. Someone deciding to shout from a vehicle that they should smile is not the same as rape. Doesn’t mean they should do it though. It isn’t pleasant, and can be quite unnerving.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 8:59 PM

    @Felicity Hensen: You’ve just reinforced my point Felicity. The author seems to suggest that somebody checking her out is committing an act of sexual harassment. Most people do this passively without even noticing – it is not predatory, it is human nature. My point, again, is that it’s completely bogus to link all of these together, especially as laws are beginning to change. My city in the UK has just introduced new legislation which criminalises cat calling – fine, no harm in these additional measures once they are SPECIFIC.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 9:08 PM

    @Felicity Hensen: Let’s say that hypothetically 2,000 women trend #Me too as a result of the fallout from Harvey Wankstain and many others. These 2,000 women have been physically abused or raped.

    Now let’s say that an additional 200,000 women use the same hashtag for instances such as cat calling, or some sort of verbal comment. This seriously undermines the real victims, and puts all instances into the same category which in reality are worlds apart. The voices of the 2,000 women become lost in the noise, and all of a sudden the true statistics of physical abuse are grossly inaccurate.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 9:47 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: Checking someone out is *not* the same as leering. A passing glance would not be reasonably comsidered harrassment. And these are not the incidents that are being provided as behavioural examples for legislation.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 9:57 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: Again, there are levels. You have decided that victims of serious sexual violence have their experiences diminished because other people have not been quite so seriously assaulted, yet they are also victim to sexual violence. They’re not worlds apart, they’re at varying points on the sexual violence spectrum. Belittling the experiences of what you appear to view as trivial encounters are what leads people to do this across the spectrum. By viewing all forms of this behaviour as sexual violence, while appreciating that there are degrees – because you can subcategorise statistics – you help create an understanding that none of it is appropriate behaviour.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 9:58 PM

    @Felicity Hensen: Great, then let’s not make a song and dance of it.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 10:07 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: A song and dance out of what? The sheer volume of sexual violence?

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 10:13 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: You’re the one virtue signalling with your big essays on the topic above.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 10:34 PM

    @Felicity Hensen: Of course not, I was suggesting not to make a song and dance about passing glances, as per your previous comment – not sexual violence. Look, we’re going around in circles here and based on all of your other comments it looks like you’re just out for a debate here. I am not.
    We’re digressing here. My point is that we cannot categorise them all as sexual violence. Violence by definition relates to physical abuse. Fine, refer to cat-calling as harassment. But if thousands of people cry foul for less serious instances, then we’ll have a real misrepresentation of the truth, and it will cause division and stereotyping

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 10:36 PM

    @Cultural Marxist: Get f**ked

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 10:48 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: No one is suggesting passing glances should be considered a form of sexual violence. However, leering at someone can be considered a form of sexual violence. Violence does not only cover physical assaults, hence psychological violence. Some people consider street harassment/cat-calling a non-serious issue.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 10:51 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: Stop acting like a triggered little Snowflake and go to your safe space, either put on your big boy pants or leave.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 11:01 PM

    @Cultural Marxist: When have you ever seen a conservative requiring a safe space? Safe spaces are demanded only by the weak leftie loonies like you. I’ve seen your comments on numerous articles, I can spot your type a mile away.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 11:15 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: You’re the one shrieking like a scared little puppy about the big bad bogeyman.

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 11:19 PM

    @Cultural Marxist: How exactly, you little rebel you? Do you like to give your men pet names?

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 11:26 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: ‘Ooh you should read about Malmo, it’s soooo scary, eeeek!’

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 11:30 PM
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    Oct 22nd 2017, 11:34 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: Did you even read the article you posted?! The police have said it was criminals fighting over each others patches who had a gripe with the police. Thanks for debunking your own scare-mongering!

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    Oct 22nd 2017, 11:45 PM

    @Cultural Marxist: Yes I did actually. It’s an ongoing investigation linked to gangland crime. The prominent gang in Malmo is known as Black Cobra.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cobra_(gang)

    I wonder what ethnicity they are?!

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 12:01 AM

    @Simon O’Connor: At the end of the Wiki article ‘In 2010 Black Cobra stole 120 cakes’, LOL! I really hope they don’t come to Ireland and steal our cakes too, frightening carry on! You should just stay under your bed and make sure your cakes are locked away in a safe! https://www.thelocal.se/20100312/25498

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 12:24 AM

    @Cultural Marxist: Whatever dude, I figured you’d click on that link. Anyway, you keep doing what you’re doing, I’m done for the night – some of us have work in the morning. I suggest you wake up around noon and pop one off before you prepare for a busy afternoon of being a cultural Marxist – it must be exhausting.

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 12:44 AM

    @Simon O’Connor: He made you show your true reactionary colours all the same. Didn’t he…

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 1:01 AM

    @neilo: He got what he came for. There was plenty of healthy debate until he poked his nose in looking for an argument. Take a look at every other comment he’s made. Hiding behind a Twitter account which is a few weeks old. If he wants to have a go then I’ll engage.

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 8:00 AM

    @Simon O’Connor: Healthy debate? You once again turned an article on a completely different topic into a Muslim-bashing session.

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 8:35 AM

    @Cultural Marxist: yawn why are you so dull and boring

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 9:41 AM

    @Cultural Marxist: You’re up early mate – well done! I never changed the subject. Felicity and I were having good discussion until you came in and called me a snowflake. Interestingly, here’s a list of your other helpful comments on this thread:
    “Get an early night in your single bed John, that’s enough twaddle for one evening.” “He’s too busy making jokes about rape victims to read the article.” “I’d say a bloke like you has never even been kissed by a girl!” “I think your brain is segregated from your spinal cord.” “No. But Muslims in Sweden are actually lizard people from the star system Haxlon-Z, I read it on Breitbart and it has been verified on a Neo Nazi blog I read.” “Do you think we should start building underground bunkers for the invasion? Yourself and Simon can hide in them while the real men take action.”

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 9:41 AM

    @Cultural Marxist: “KingBen and all the other good Catholic boys on here are clearly sexually repressed from adhering to no sex before marriage, then when they can’t get anyone to marry them their only outlet for their frustration is shrieking on The Journal with a box of Kleenex about feminists.” “Rape is serious”. (my favourite)

    Same BS that you post on almost every other article. You are a useless and braindead individual. Nothing but a troll.

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 11:33 AM

    @Simon O’Connor: Thought you were at work!

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 11:56 AM

    @Cultural Marxist: I preferred your Atheos account or even Open Borders to this new one. I don’t get it man.. you’re obviously a pretty “woke” individual so why do you pretend not to be sometimes? I just don’t see what you get out of it… Are the lulz really that good? Is it something I should engage in too do you think?

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 1:14 PM

    @Rob Poonmeister: It takes a special kind of guy to open new Twitter accounts on a fortnightly basis, so lacking in self confidence that he has to conceal his identity on left-leaning website. The dude must have dozens of email addresses. Full time job perhaps, but being paid by the tax payer?

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    Oct 23rd 2017, 1:32 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: I hope he is paid by the journal to come on here and post arguments from opposing sides and stimulate debate, if not, then he does it for fun. All day and every day for years. That is probably the saddest thing I have ever heard of in my life.

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