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Comment #7342565 by Geraldine Mcnamara

Geraldine Mcnamara Jul 3rd 2018, 8:02 PM #

It’s about time that all political parties protest the occupation of Palestine by the Israelis.
It is an illegal occupation and has to be reversed giving Palestinians the right to govern their own country.

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Fianna Fáil to support trade ban with lands held by Israel, but embassy calls it 'immoral'

Fianna Fáil to support trade ban with lands held by Israel, but embassy calls it 'immoral'

The Embassy of Israel said the boycott will not facilitate Ireland’s role or influence in the Middle East.

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    Favourite Ruairi Gagarin
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:13 PM

    @Geraldine Mcnamara: Just to be clear, when you refer to Palestine are you talking about the entire State of Israel or just the areas captured by Israel in 1967?

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    Favourite Judean
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:18 PM

    @Geraldine Mcnamara: “Settlements” are not legal entity in international law. No where is the word settlement mentioned. The lack of understanding on what the Geneva convention actually says is astounding. The prohibition is on the forcible transfer of people… ie Israel would need to be forcibly transferring its civilians into the West Bank, which it doesn’t do.

    In any event the conventions only apply during war; the Oslo accords which granted Palestinian governance over 95% of the Palestinian population ended all states of war and hence ended the application of the conventions in the first instance. Of it ever applied as Palestine was never a high contracting party.

    You cannot have a peace treaty (Oslo) when it suits you to collect billions in foreign aid, but then still claim you are occupied. Area C where every single “settlement” is, was signed into treaty as Israeli administered territory by the Palestinians themselves… Whether it’s right, moral, just or otherwise is irrelevant, that is the legally binding situation on the ground and contains absolutely no provision that Israelis can’t live there, in fact it specifically states they can!!!!

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    Favourite Incognito
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:22 PM

    This is welcome news, I’m glad Senator Black’s Bill will pass, legitimising illegal settlements should not happen!

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    Favourite Mickey Fennessy
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:25 PM

    @Ruairi Gagarin: oh u so clever

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    Favourite Ron O'Keefe
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:34 PM

    @Geraldine Mcnamara: What????

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    Favourite The Risen
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:34 PM

    @Judean: “The prohibition is on the forcible transfer of people”

    Nope. The word forcible is not used. It’s deport OR TRANSFER.

    Geneva Convention IV
    Article 49, sixth paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”
    Additional Protocol I
    Article 85(4)(a) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides that “the transfer by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies” is a grave breach of the Protocol.

    Oh, and as for the oslo treaty….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5hUG6Os68

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    Favourite The Risen
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:34 PM

    ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule130

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    Favourite The Risen
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:43 PM

    Some further reading, from the Red Cross….

    https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/faq/occupation-faq-051010.htm

    ‘It is unlawful under the Fourth Geneva Convention for an occupying power to transfer parts of its own population into the territory it occupies. This means that international humanitarian law prohibits the establishment of settlements, as these are a form of population transfer into occupied territory. Any measure designed to expand or consolidate settlements is also illegal. Confiscation of land to build or expand settlements is similarly prohibited. ‘

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    Favourite Judean
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:46 PM

    @The Risen: wow clutching at straws there lol!

    Who has the Israeli government has transferred there? They haven’t transferred anyone anywhere. The conventions were written in response to German colonialism in WWII where Germans were forcibly loaded onto trains and physically transferred to places like Ukraine as to Germanise the area. Civilians going of their own accord is has noting to do with it at all as only governments can violate the conventions, not individual civilians.

    Either way there’s no debate needed as they only apply in wartime!

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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:48 PM

    @The Risen: if the Red Cross had the authority to make international law I might take that link seriously!

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    Favourite Pearse Mc Mullen
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:54 PM

    @Judean: Are you the Judean peoples front, or the peoples front of Judea???

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    Favourite Ivan Connolly
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 8:57 PM

    @Judean: I think regardless of how you are interpreting the treaties, charters, peace deals etc , and I do believe you are interpreting them in a very particular light. The reality of the situation is a clear injustice to anyone who looks at it with an objective eye. It is the occupation of, illegal land grabbing and all the other acts which reduce the lives of the Palestinians to such a state of misery that fuels Hamas and any other armed resistance. The Palestinians are not acting in a vacuum even if they are almost living in one and it is incumbent on all countries which like to call themselves civilised to follow Ireland’s lead in this matter and, as we will hopefully do, make these illegal settlements unviable for those Israelis who choose to participate in this crime against humanity

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    Favourite Ciara Ni Mhurchu
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 9:03 PM

    @Ruairi Gagarin: We’re talking about the people who have been kicked out of their homes and off their land so Zionists can build homes for Jewish people.

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    Favourite Pearse Mc Mullen
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 9:07 PM

    @The Risen: Wait for about an hour, when the call to arms will go out to manipulate this comments section by the Pro Israeli`s just like they did on the article that had the vote on whether we should boycott the next Eurovision song contest, they openly boasted about manipulating it.
    I can almost guarantee you will see the Peoples front of Judeas comments go nuts with upvotes pretty soon…
    Just keep an eye out for it

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    Jul 3rd 2018, 9:09 PM

    @Ivan Connolly: I’m not interpreting anything. I’m reading exactly what the texts actually say.

    So do you and Ciara above believe that all of the Jews expelled from the West Bank during Jordan’s actual illegal occupation be allowed to return to their homes. When Jordan took over the area it was the first time in recorded history that there were no Jews in Judea or Samaria because they completely cleansed the area of Jews. Not like when Israel commits “genocide” and “cleansing” yet millions of Palestinians remain.

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    Jul 3rd 2018, 9:19 PM

    @Pearse Mc Mullen: Sure you couldn’t be left wing and not have a conspiracy theory to explain every eventuality… You’d never have any cred down the commune!

    Yawn… I’d tell you to stop with the rubbish and argue the point but it’s evident rubbish is all you have to give.

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    Favourite Rúairí O’ Sullivan
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 9:21 PM

    @Geraldine Mcnamara: ah Israel…..let throw missiles because they throw stones. Internarional support is fading and the world sees the hypocrisy that is Israel. They throw grenades so we drop internationally banned phosphoros bombs. They fire a mortor so we run an airstirke. We steal their land and play the victim when they retaliate. The world will never accept Israel, so stop being dicks, stop annexing land and seek peace.

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    Jul 3rd 2018, 9:56 PM

    @Rúairí O’ Sullivan:

    1933: Israel accepts the peel commission plan for only 10% of mandatory Palestine (proportional to their population) for peace. Arabs reject it.

    1947: Israel accepts UN partition plan for peace. Arabs reject it.

    1967: Israel continues to allow Jordan control of the Temple Mount in a gesture of goodwill for peace. Even though Jordan destroyed 4,000 years of Jewish history during their 19 year occupation.

    1982: Israel returns the Sinai to Egypt for peace.

    1994: Israel signs peace treaty with Jordan.

    2000: Israel returns south Lebanon for peace.

    2005: Israel returns Gaza for peace.

    2008: Israel offers to return the Golan and return 98% of the West Bank for peace.

    Yet in your mind it’s Israel who needs to make “peace”?

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    Favourite The Risen
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 10:14 PM

    @Judean: you think you’re the first hasbara troll around here to copy and paste zionist propaganda?

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    Favourite Change Everything
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 10:28 PM

    @Judean: i don’t know how you reckon the risen is clutching at straws when he blew your contention out of the water like an Israeli gunboat firing on an unarmed Gazan fisherman.

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    Favourite Niall Carry
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 10:39 PM

    @Judean: Israel has built roads from west bank settlements into Jerusalem. There is public transport. Tax breaks for those in settlement. They control the bloody water system. They govern it. You’re rambling like true politician.

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    Jul 3rd 2018, 11:04 PM

    @Change Everything: Yes he was clutching at straws. He picked out one word that was incorrect but the whole argument was irrelevant since what we were discussing doesn’t even apply. If that was him blowing me away you must be his biggest fan!

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    Jul 3rd 2018, 11:05 PM

    @The Risen: once again no IPSC trolls here can actually argue the point.

    Any actual person would at least make some effort to correct the “propaganda” but you can’t even do that.

    You keep calling names there and leave the debating to the big boys

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    Favourite Native
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 11:28 PM

    @The Risen:

    Are you saying these recent historical events did not occur?

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    Favourite Martin Horan
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    Jul 3rd 2018, 11:33 PM

    @Pearse Mc Mullen: excellent. The Israelis are also selling forged Irish Passports now to help with the backlog at the Passport Office in Dublin. Thoughtful eh!

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    Favourite James Grant
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    Jul 4th 2018, 11:42 AM

    @Judean: couldnt have said it better but you are waisting your time as its so biased towards israel its a joke here

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    Favourite Paul McDonald
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    Jul 4th 2018, 3:03 PM

    @Ivan Connolly: Israel didn’t land grab, there have always been Jews in this land, its theirs for the past 3 thousand years, it was the arabs who invaded in 700ad and stole the land from them. The only ones making the living conditions unbearable for the Palestinians in the palestinians themselves, voting in terror groups to rule whos only objective is to use you and your family as human sheilds and cannon fodder and who’s aim if to wipe Israel and the Jewish people (Worldwide) off the map is what is causing them misery. There are those in Gaza who said it was better living under the Israeli occupation than under Hamas. Plus, the Jews are fighting for their very existance, what would you do to protect your family against someone who wants you all dead, regardless. Do you think the Palestinians, Hamas, palestinian authority (who were the PLO) or the Arab world care about international law? they couldn’t give a crap, their own despot countries show this, if its not sharia, it snot law in their eyes, who’s kidding who here.

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    Favourite Ibhar Mac Suibhne
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    Jul 4th 2018, 3:30 PM

    @ Pearce … yep an hour exactly ! Here’s the Hasbara trolls with all the usual stale propaganda … YAWN !

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    Favourite Denis McClean
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    Jul 5th 2018, 12:01 PM

    @Judean: Nice new Hasbara Twitter account there Dovid. How many does that make?

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