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Comment #5430388 by Ben McArthur

Ben McArthur Sep 5th 2016, 12:47 PM #

Child doesn’t get a place in a school because his parents don’t fill out the form. Within a week, the Department of Education have arranged private education.

How exactly is this like 1950s Alabama?

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School reverses decision to deny place to Traveller child

School reverses decision to deny place to Traveller child

Education Minister Richard Bruton has said his department is taking steps to assist the boy’s family.

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    Favourite Charles Williams
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    Sep 5th 2016, 11:17 AM

    Yes Geraldine there is more to this story, as the child of an Irish traveler he has the same status and standing as a negro child in 1950s Alabama, therefore now worthy of considerstion, education or basis human rights, an untermenchen in his own land.
    The irony is, the story of Cromwell will be told many times over in this school, yet this child’s story will be ignored.That’s Catholic education for you.

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    Favourite Epi Retro
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    Sep 5th 2016, 12:28 PM

    @Charles Williams. Your unbalanced and exaggerated argument will not really help matters.

    Unlike 1950s Alabama and 1930s Germany, Irish Travellers have the same legal rights as other citizens. They also have legal redress if discriminated against.

    There are certainly some Traveller families that have tough lives, but in many cases these have refused offers to be treated like non-Traveller citizens (e.g. live in houses provided by taxpayers via County Councils).

    Unfortunately, the Traveller lifestyle centres on living outside of the rest of society, and often conflicts with laws and taxes the rest of us have to comply with. Yet they tend to demand far more from the state than they contribute towards it.

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    Favourite Ben McArthur
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    Sep 5th 2016, 12:47 PM

    Child doesn’t get a place in a school because his parents don’t fill out the form. Within a week, the Department of Education have arranged private education.

    How exactly is this like 1950s Alabama?

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    Favourite Charles Williams
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    Sep 5th 2016, 12:59 PM

    Yes Epi Retro, but this travelled has applied to join the “settled club” but there is no room at the inn.(and that’s a separate story of outsiders from the Bible if you want to check it out)

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    Favourite Charles Williams
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    Sep 5th 2016, 1:09 PM

    The USA Supreme Court intervention and JFK having to deploy troops in June 1963 , finally enforced the right of negro children to attend their local school. Will it have to come to this in 2016 Ireland to get this “Irish Negro” into his local school.?

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    Favourite Hoofedup Bravo
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    Sep 5th 2016, 2:58 PM

    Charles, do you see white people at the school trying to block this kid?? Your comparing apples and oranges, trying to start some bs here??

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    Favourite Ronan Sexton
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    Sep 5th 2016, 4:55 PM

    The child is Irish, how can an Irish person be racist towards another irish person. This just in, Irish travelers are not a separate race. Hope that helps.

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    Favourite Charles Williams
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    Sep 5th 2016, 7:18 PM

    The child is a traveller and travellers have sustained ingrained, irrational discrimination in Ireland for centuries. RTE news have reported that the discrimination has been reversed and the child will be offer a place at the school along side his national school mates tomorrow. Good news for Paddy and his parents, and bad news for the bigots who no doubt will survive to discriminate another day, but still an important victory for equality in Ireland.

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    Favourite Karen Doyle
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    Sep 5th 2016, 7:57 PM

    So what do you propose Charles? When it comes to travellers we just rip up the rule book?? Rules, HA! We all are citizens in a democracy and as such we are all treated equally. They new there son was starting secondary school and just simply were not bothered to find out the date because they are above all that.

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    Favourite Tweety McTweeter
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    Sep 5th 2016, 8:03 PM

    Equality works both ways Charles.

    You can’t take, take, take from society, contribute little to it and then complain that you’re not being treated fairly

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    Favourite Michael J
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    Sep 5th 2016, 8:21 PM

    You can’t win with some people. The boy is trying to gain an education and better himself and that’s still not enough for the Journal mob who know everything but yet know nothing. Look in the mirror people.

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    Favourite villa lad
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    Sep 5th 2016, 8:21 PM

    Stop talking shite

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    Favourite Patrick Denny
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    Sep 5th 2016, 8:23 PM

    My understanding is that there was a deadline for an application which was missed because the parents of said child were illiterate. How this equates the school with 1950′s Alabama is beyond me.

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    Favourite Anne Marie Devlin
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    Sep 5th 2016, 8:37 PM

    Read that his sister had passed away from cancer during his final year in primary school which possibly contributed to the forms not being filled in on time

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    Favourite Suzie Sunshine
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    Sep 5th 2016, 8:40 PM

    Pleased for the lad . .at least he can start secondary school now with his friends

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    Mute Micheal S. O' Ceilleachair
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    Sep 5th 2016, 8:57 PM

    ….so the best strategy now to get in is to miss the deadline and claim that you didn’t know. What happens when a non traveller uses this excuse? This is a Minister for Education being populist and setting a dubious precedent either that or the school was not full, in which case the child should never have been refused in the first place. What happens if a new family moves into the school’s catchment area after the deadline for applications? No exceptions eh!!

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    Favourite Des Doran
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    Sep 5th 2016, 9:07 PM

    If it was a settled Child,
    The parents would have been brought before the court,for not sending their child to school,
    And RTE wouldn’t give a dam.
    Lots of settled children’s parents can’t
    Read and write

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    Favourite David Van-Standen
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    Sep 5th 2016, 9:11 PM

    Actually, that is a different young man, Lee Moore from Portlaoise, his parents missed the enrolment deadline due to having to deal with the death of his sister. Let’s hope that Minister Bruton will be as motivated and accommodating, in intervening in his case also. Every child in Ireland should have access to education, every effort should be made to ensure this, not prevent it.

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    Favourite Gunnarsahn
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    Sep 5th 2016, 9:15 PM

    Charles you’re alleging discrimination by the majority, and the majority of thumbers seem to agree by disagreeing

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    Favourite Geraldine O'Brien
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    Sep 5th 2016, 9:33 PM

    Well said, that’s the elephant in the room that nobody can comment on!

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    Favourite Brian
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    Sep 5th 2016, 9:42 PM

    Haha gotta be the most red thumbed comment ever on journal . Scarlett for ya Charles , idiotic comment

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    Favourite Charles Williams
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    Sep 6th 2016, 12:23 AM

    Do you think for one moment if Paddy was the child of the local doctor or dentist that we would be having this exchange on the Journal .ie ? The school would be bending over backwards to accommodate their children. That’s equality Irish style for you.! In the USA of the 1840s the no Irish, no blacks, no dogs signs appeared. Let’s do better than that in Ireland in 2016 and finally cherish all of the children equally, and that included the children of travellers and refugees and specifically Paddy who may some day do on to become a TD, Minister or President with the help of an education. If the great grandson of a poor Irish immigrant from Wexford could become President of the USA, Paddy can equally be a success and example for his ethnic group.

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    Favourite Stuart Kelly
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    Sep 6th 2016, 1:54 AM

    Charles Williams social justice warrior waiting on every corner just for the chance to be outraged about something and to speak up against faux discrimination.

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    Favourite Stuart Kelly
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    Sep 6th 2016, 1:56 AM

    And by god have we given,

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    Favourite Sarah Clifford
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    Sep 6th 2016, 6:09 AM

    Traveller privelage

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    Favourite Michael J
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    Sep 6th 2016, 8:03 AM

    You need to go back to school and learn how to spell.

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    Mute Micheal S. O' Ceilleachair
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    Sep 6th 2016, 11:03 AM

    Agreed, the child in Portlaoise clearly had extenuating circumstances. Should have been accommodated.

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    Favourite Justin Forde
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    Sep 6th 2016, 3:25 PM

    They were late getting the application in. He was excluded as any settled person would have been because of that fact. In a previous report, it said that the department of Education had gone to great lengths to help the family get him registered for secondary school. For whatever reason, the family didn’t register him on time so the department arranged for private tuition. In what way was he being discriminated against since he was treated the same (or better) than a settled kid would have been?

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