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Comment #5383420 by Laura Grimes

Laura Grimes Aug 20th 2016, 12:02 PM #

No woman wants to have an abortion but at times they are making the best choice for them. Not all ‘Pro Life’ are religious nuts, Pro Choice aren’t Baby Killers. People this a very emotive topic , stop the childish name calling as it distracts from the issue. I have no doubt that this is the hardest journey this woman, will ever make, she will be taking no joy in these tweets, she is highlighting that woman do not have access to safe abortions in Ireland. Sad day but brave women

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Two Irish women live-tweet UK abortion journey to Enda Kenny

Two Irish women live-tweet UK abortion journey to Enda Kenny

#twowomentravel is trending in Ireland and the UK this morning.

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    Favourite Damien Gavin
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    Aug 20th 2016, 2:17 PM

    people are being fooled into thinking that voting to repeal the 8th is compassionate. Hearts behind their slogan and all sorts of “It’s my body and I should have a choice” jargon. I love women, they surpass men in so many ways. This is different though. This is not an individual decision, this argument will dictate the state of humanity in Ireland going into the future. Pro-abortionists never discuss the actual heart beat of the “group of cells” they wish to kill. And the argument that abortion is carried out everywhere else and we are behind the times doesn’t wash either. Just because it is allowed elsewhere doesn’t make it right.

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    Aug 20th 2016, 2:46 PM

    Right… heartbeats. Let’s talk about them. Why you think there’s some intrinsic value to a heartbeat that goes beyond its function of pumping oxygen around a body. I’m happy to discuss this with you as a “pro-abortionist” but be warned now, “a heart eat is special” does not an argument make.

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    Favourite Gone Feisin
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    Aug 20th 2016, 3:44 PM

    Can I kill you? Is your life worthless since it currently serves no purpose? Contraception is widely available to deal with this at the start, up to 48 hrs from conception, use it and stop annoying the rest of us

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    Aug 20th 2016, 4:07 PM

    @ Gone, I must admit you’ve made me reconsider. Perhaps sentience doesn’t equal an intelligent life form. Bravo.

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    Favourite Jho Harris
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    Aug 20th 2016, 4:10 PM

    It would be great if people stayed on topic and not rant about their selfish anti abortion rubbish. These women are making a very valid point in an innovative way. They are not just highlighting that is not exclusively cattle and software we export but our problems when it comes to it. On so many levels they are also highlighting the gormless excuse for a leader we have running the country, we knew how bad he was but he has raised the bar on incompence since he weaseled his way back for a second term. The so and so has his head way down even during a crisis marring our participation in The Olympics, you can bet had we avoided such scandal and won just one gold medal he would have been all over the news but no he is in hiding. No doubt on the say so of his advisors, sipping tea chosen by his advisors, and stirred as many times as his advisors recommend. These brave women are brilliant in letting Enda know that he soon will have no place to hide. Those of you who fly the anti abortion flag really should be ashamed of what you want to put our sisters through. Women will not be dragged off the street to have their babies yanked out against their will, people just want a choice not to have to travel so you will not save one single life with your propaganda.

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    Favourite Gone Feisin
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    Aug 20th 2016, 4:30 PM

    Titus, reconsider what? You already want to euthanise sentient life because you assume you are superior to it. You aren’t, you are just in a more powerful position. Contraception is widely available for everything short of rape(though the 48 hr pill is there for that). I fully agree that abortion should be available for mothers health, cases of rape and unviable embryos.

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    Favourite Austin Rock
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    Aug 20th 2016, 5:13 PM

    A great call “It would be great if people stayed on topic….” but then fell apart with “…..and not rant about their selfish anti abortion rubbish” end of debate.

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    Favourite lavbeer
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    Aug 20th 2016, 5:38 PM

    But of course – the gormless leader as you call him Jho – it is not his decision. Whatever you think of him. A referendum to resolve the unintended consequences of the 8th – would this be a simple passable first step? I don’t believe the tweeters have said if this is a case of fatal or not?

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    Favourite lavbeer
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    Aug 20th 2016, 5:40 PM

    Is Corden the father to be ? Have they commented on this ?

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    Aug 20th 2016, 5:53 PM

    No, this is stupid and tedious as hell. There are literally at least 5 good reasons of the top of my head I can think of (excluding the fact that sentient beings are aborted in the VAST majority of cases, they are not, so you’re either trying to bluff me or you’re dumb) why saying “take a contraceptive pill” is just ill informed and myopic and I’m not engaging with that because a Google search, a simple Google search, would satisfactorily answer your question. And as a matter of fact, if you care so much about life, why is the foetus from a rape OK to abort, but not anything else? Are they physiologically different?

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    Aug 20th 2016, 5:54 PM

    *not aborted.

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    Favourite Gone Feisin
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    Aug 20th 2016, 6:49 PM

    If you can’t see the difference between rape or normal pregnancy then you are more lost than I thought. I guess you are referring to effectiveness then check the effectiveness of multiple forms at the same time.

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    Aug 20th 2016, 7:37 PM

    Oh shut up. You haven’t even answered anything. I’m talking about LOTS more than effectiveness actually. Again, if you’d bother research the point you’d see what those are. You’re on about heartbeats. If you’re arguing that in any kind of sense the heart of a rapists baby and that of a wanted baby are different then you’re deficient. They’re the same. I’m not the one talking about heartbeats, so it matters not to me but since you are and suggesting it’s some how relevant it’s YOUR job to articulate how, if a heartbeat is inherently important, then why is the same heartbeat different in two different foetuses.

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    Favourite Gone Feisin
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    Aug 20th 2016, 7:42 PM

    Are you high? Not once did I say heartbeats.

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    Aug 20th 2016, 7:58 PM

    Oh sorry, it was the other idiot. Point still stands though. Why is the life of a rapists foetus worth less than that of a non rapists foetus? Life is either sacred and abortion is wrong or it isn’t… simple as.

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    Favourite Gone Feisin
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    Aug 20th 2016, 8:23 PM

    My argument isn’t with life being sacred. My argument is that there are an endless supply of contraceptive choices available, if a man and woman can’t manage to use them then that’s their fault. Though can’t ask a rapist if he minds putting a condom on 1st

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    Favourite thejynxeffect
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    Aug 20th 2016, 8:32 PM

    Titus The difference between rape and a normal pregnancy is a violent crime has been committed. In this case the woman has been wronged and should not have to bear a pregnancy to a child that has the same genetics as a rapist. But convenience abortion should not be allowed. People need to start taking personal responsibility for their actions. This lady travelling to England just publicized the destruction of her baby’s life and acted like she was the victim because she had to get on a cheap flight. The UN and James Corden will claim we’re denying her her human rights when in reality our humanity relies on our willingness to protect increasingly vulnerable human life. The 8th will fall in Ireland soon, so you’ll get your way in the end.

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    Favourite Daisy Chainsaw
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    Aug 20th 2016, 8:48 PM

    All abortions are “convenience abortions” whether the woman or girl has been raped by a family member, partner or stranger, has a FFA diagnosis or she’s just not ready or able to be pregnant.

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    Aug 20th 2016, 8:52 PM

    I’m sorry but factually, even if used correctly contraception is not 100% effective. And not everyone has food enough sex education to know how to use it properly or access the particularly effective options. And I do not for one second advocate women taking extra birth control. “Women of any age should avoid combination hormonal birth control if they have a history of uncontrolled high blood pressure, chest pain, diabetes, severe headaches, heart or liver disease, blood clots or stroke. Cardiovascular risks increase with age, weight, family history of heart disease, and number of cigarettes smoked per day (>15)” which encapsulates an awful lot of women. And stop acting as if abortions are the new birth control. The assertion that they aren’t typically a last resort is so beyond stupid.

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    Favourite Duey Sol
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    Aug 20th 2016, 9:08 PM

    Gone Feishin,
    you do realise that most accidental pregnancies are not realised until at least a few weeks in when it’s too late to take emergency contraception? For a number of reasons, from their contraception (pill or other) failing, maybe because they had other health issues which reduced it’s effectiveness, or whatever,.. Do you think that if a woman does not want, and cannot afford to support a child, she should be forced to carry and give birth to it and hand it over to the state or a stranger? And what if she cannot afford the health care during the pregnancy, nor afford to take a few months out of her career or studies, or she does not want to put her health and life at risk? and these are just the common standard reasons for needing a termination, there are much more serious reasons, such as cultural, religious or family/partner reasons that she would be treated very bad or be in danger if she carried through with the pregnancy. What if she has some genetic defect which she does not want to make a child ever suffer through?
    But no she should sacrifice all of these things and her life for 9 months to carry and give away a child she did not want.. and how will that affect her mental and physical well-being, and that of the child who is left to the dysfunctional system.
    I am not saying that adoption isn’t right for some people. But nobody can tell somebody to just continue with the pregnancy and give the child up for adoption, knowing what we know about that system and all the implications of that act.

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    Favourite Janice Leahy
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    Aug 20th 2016, 9:58 PM

    Seriously your comment is so disgusting, I have friends that have had no other choice then to travel as there baby has been so deformed and would not live.

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    Favourite Francis Mc Carthy
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    Aug 20th 2016, 10:14 PM

    Explain this to me … Why should a woman have to go through nine months with an unwanted pregnancy & go through all of the risks that a pregnancy entails ? Risks, like death..

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    Favourite Dave O Keeffe
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    Aug 20th 2016, 10:58 PM

    Pro-lifers stop giving a shit after birth. Then they’ll happily chastise the single mother on social welfare. Well worth pointing out that there is a direct link between abortion being legal and a fall in crime rates 18 years later

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    Favourite Angie McKelvey
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    Aug 20th 2016, 11:04 PM

    Very well put. Totally agree with everything you wrote.

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    Favourite thejynxeffect
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    Aug 20th 2016, 11:14 PM

    I never said contraception was 100% effective, but if you get pregnant that’s the hand you’ve been dealt. Deal with it. If they do go ahead and have the child, after loving the child for a few years, the thought you wanted to abort him/her should disgust you.

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    Favourite Laughs @ Antis 24/7
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    Aug 20th 2016, 11:33 PM

    Jinxy I am laughing out loud at you telling a woman to ‘deal with it’ with her unwanted pregnancy ..If she wants to terminate her pregnancy ,then the earlier that she does it the better ..It has 100% nothing to do with you ..lol ..Funny guy..

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    Favourite Dave O Keeffe
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    Aug 20th 2016, 11:38 PM

    Jynxy, having seen the stories of what happens to some unwanted children in this country you should be disgusted at your own comment.

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    Favourite thejynxeffect
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    Aug 21st 2016, 12:08 AM

    Pro abortionists never consider the fact that they may not exist if the 8th didn’t exist in this country. I’m not disgusted at my own comment and nothing a pro abortionist could say would make me change my mind. Respect human life. It’s our most valuable resource

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    Favourite Francis Mc Carthy
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    Aug 21st 2016, 12:17 AM

    Just going by that last comment of yours,thejynxeffect -I would say that you’ve been spending way too much time with the likes of Cora ..Jus’ sayin’

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    Favourite James Keogh
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    Aug 21st 2016, 3:07 AM

    It is not Abortion that causes the gap between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice, the gap is caused by the Lack of actual Compassion as given to each other by both groups. So a pregnant woman cannot bring herself to give birth to a baby for a multitude of reasons and decides of her own free will to have an abortion, but where will she get the after care ? Not in her own Home Country, she becomes an alien. She has to leave Mother Ireland and go to another country for assistance. Isn’t that Mother Ireland abandoning one of her children and when you look at the statistics how many did Mother Ireland throw to the Wolves, ? ?
    Thousands ! It’s time we looked after our own honestly, fairly and without any prejudice. Pro-Help thy neighbour would make a nice change to ALL.

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