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Comment #5250083 by NO 2 FF/FG/LAB

NO 2 FF/FG/LAB Jul 7th 2016, 2:45 PM #

You’d think if the Rae dynasty had any understanding of anything it would be farming, this suggests otherwise…

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Healy-Rae says the people who gave the order to shoot cattle are 'a disgrace'

Healy-Rae says the people who gave the order to shoot cattle are 'a disgrace'

Kerry TD Michael Healy Rae spoke in the Dáil today about about the shooting dead of five cattle in Monaghan.

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    Favourite John Considine
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    Jul 7th 2016, 2:48 PM

    True… Not many farmers would condone TB reactor cattle being allowed to roam on the road. Somebody on Facebook said that if the army hadn’t shot them, the neighbours would have, an exaggeration perhaps but those neighbours would have been on the phone to the Dept of Ag and the gardai, be sure of it.

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    Favourite NO 2 FF/FG/LAB
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    Jul 7th 2016, 2:54 PM

    Exactly. Healy Rae is thinking there’s a dozen votes in this speech but he will loose hundreds for his lack of understanding

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    Favourite Chris Kirk
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    Jul 7th 2016, 3:03 PM

    Not being a farmer it seems a bit odd to me that a debt collector can act as a vet to determine TB in these animals, perhaps someone into farming could explain.

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    Favourite brian magee
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    Jul 7th 2016, 3:38 PM

    Chris, a vet had carried out an inspection on the cattle , you are either trolling or very naive

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    Favourite Bigus Diccus
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    Jul 7th 2016, 3:40 PM

    You´re a tricksy little Hobbit, you.

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    Favourite LITTLEONE
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    Jul 7th 2016, 3:53 PM

    . if these animals were TB reactors, it means they have already been rounded up by handlers, and were injected by a competent vet, and were then tested a few days later by the same vet

    I cannot understand why, if the animals were previously capable of capture, why they are not now capable of capture and veterinary handling. What has changed?

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    Favourite David Hanks
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    Jul 7th 2016, 4:21 PM

    If you read between the lines there’s mention of criminal activity and opening gates. If I had to guess I’d say people that were on happy opened gates and tried to herd the cattle out of the fields to make the bailiffs jobs difficult

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    Favourite Bigus Diccus
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    Jul 7th 2016, 4:28 PM

    So call in the Army then, David?

    I can´t believe people can´t see the bigger issue here.

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    Favourite Donal O'Brien
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    Jul 7th 2016, 4:42 PM

    I heard the man on the radio this morning. His herd had a clear test in November. However in February one of his animals was discovered to have lung lesions after slaughter. This is a sign of TB, this would mean the herd would be immediately be restricted and a complete herd test done within two or three weeks. The herd would continue to be restricted until it had two clear TB tests. This is what farmers call ‘being locked up’ meaning animals can only be sold for slaughter, can’t sell in the marts or privately to other farmers. The man didn’t mention any follow up tests, I assume there weren’t any.
    It was unlikely these animals that were shot had TB.
    I assume neither side of this story can be fully believed and there is obviously bad blood and no good faith between the parties and probably skullduggery involved on both sides. Selling such animals to the factory would be a complete waste as they wouldn’t reach market weight and would not have an adequate level of finish to achieve decent prices. I also assume that the sherif would not have the patience to wait for these animals to be finished to achieve maximum prices given the difficult situation with the indebted farmer and because the herd was locked up they couldn’t be sold on the hoof to people far away from Monaghan which is obviously the best solution all round.

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    Favourite M Bowe
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    Jul 7th 2016, 4:57 PM

    If a vet was able to inspect these cattle for TB how can the same cattle be describe as ‘ out of control’???

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    Favourite Anne Marie Devlin
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    Jul 7th 2016, 5:00 PM

    @bigus. Totally agree. A lot of condemnation of cruelty to animals, of killing these beautiful creatures – which incidentally probably would have ended up in the slaughter house – yet scant attention to the fact that the army is providing back up for private debt collectors. I’m stunned beyond belief that this is taking place in a so called modern European state. What can we expect next?

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    Favourite John Considine
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    Jul 7th 2016, 5:17 PM

    Neither sheriff, bailiffs nor debt collectors involved here – it was an official assignee in bankruptcy who was in charge. There’s a difference.

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    Favourite Craba
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    Jul 7th 2016, 5:26 PM

    @Anne Marie
    If these “beautiful creatures” had come into contact with the Farmer’s neighbour’s herds, and infected them, the cost to the livelihood of those farmers would have been catastrophic. The most humane way to deal with this is exactly what was done. Cattle are a food source, yes we should treat them as humanely as possible, but there only function is to provide food.

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    Favourite Inns Quay
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    Jul 7th 2016, 5:29 PM

    the OAIB has no interest in shooting cattle, unless there is a risk to the wider herd or other contamination. it is not unlikely the animals couldnt be contained (as some might do) in light of past interference with the herd and with gates after they were taken over. and who else but the army is going to shoot them, the local archery club?

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    Favourite Rebecca De Stanleigh
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    Jul 7th 2016, 5:31 PM

    Wasn’t the farm and livestock being repossessed? Something very odd about the whole thing

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    Favourite LITTLEONE
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    Jul 7th 2016, 5:56 PM

    Machinery and other assets were removed from the farm in the previous days and the receivers were there yesterday to take the cattle
    removal of the remaining 5 cattle was not possible due to security issues over persons involved in previous removals, of which An Garda Síochána are aware.”
    Seems they took the option of killing the cows rather than spend time rounding them up.
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/breaking-cattle-shot-on-monaghan-farm-after-receiver-moves-in/&ved=0ahUKEwiS1_Kg6OHNAhUiJcAKHWS5AKoQFggzMAU&usg=AFQjCNHLxXt35vV5TlO2XUVdJmxUDPTEng

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    Jul 7th 2016, 6:00 PM

    Here in London someone could be breaking into your house and kidnapping your children but the police won’t bother coming, but if someone calls a debt collector a parasite for preying on vulnerable people the police will arrive with riot vans. Happened to an elderly guy in the next street over a parking ticket. The old guy does not or never has owned a vehicle. Someone had cloned his identity.

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    Favourite Ross Stewart
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    Jul 7th 2016, 6:47 PM

    @Craba, out of interest, what’s your function?

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    Favourite Steve O'Connor
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    Jul 7th 2016, 7:27 PM

    I’d like to see proof that it was these 5 cattle out of the herd or 100 or so ( depending on what news you read ) that were the reactors. “TB present in the herd” was what I read. That does not condemn all animal in the herd to death as any farmer would know.

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    Favourite John Considine
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    Jul 7th 2016, 7:35 PM

    No, but it locks up the herd as you should know. Would you let a heifer from alocked up herd mingle with your own herd?

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    Favourite Dave Doyle
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    Jul 7th 2016, 7:44 PM

    John, are you the government spokesman, sent here to keep the TB spin going?

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    Favourite Craba
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    Jul 7th 2016, 8:25 PM

    @Ross
    A very strange question. Was that supposed to be an insult of some sort?

    @John
    You are surrounded by posters, whose knowledge of the world is through Facebook and Twitter. By people who source their news from the Journal, and similar blog type sites. A lot have difficulty understanding what is actually happening in the real world, so someone like yourself, coming in here with your actual real world knowledge of things is a threat, Hence you must be part of the great conspiracy.
    Its a little scary for the future of Ireland . But, a bit like visiting the Zoo, it can be interesting & entertaining at times.

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    Favourite John R
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    Jul 7th 2016, 8:32 PM

    Dave, talk about a storm in a teacup. Is everyone who presents an alternative and sane explanation an agent of Government. Is your capacity to hear a contrary viewpoint so limited ?

    This is official assignee for bankruptcy. Not a debt collector. If you want a system of bankruptcy that allows people to get out of debt then you have to have a system of bankruptcy. In the absence if bankruptcy you have an endless period of debt collection with the bankrupt person suffering for a long time. This is what ireland used to have. Now we have a better system. Some people are never happy.

    If you cannot pay your debts bankruptcy offers a way out that allows you to get on with your life. But apparently all debt collection or variations on coming to terms with your creditors via a bankruptcy process are wrong. What mad thinking.

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    Favourite Ross Stewart
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    Jul 7th 2016, 8:38 PM

    You stated that the cows only function is for food. Maybe in your opinion. What is any sentient creatures function? To survive, to breed, to experience life, to feel, to think, to love or be loved? Every creature had a parent who cared for them- they’re not just objects to consume.
    If I asked your boss what your function is, they might say to do your job. If I asked your mother what your function is, I’d guess she’d have a different opinion. Those cows have as much right to life as us and to state their ‘function’ is reduced to the only benefit you receive from them is crass.

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    Favourite Craba
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    Jul 7th 2016, 9:09 PM

    Ross
    Sorry. I forgot what I had written earlier. Fair question. As far as I am concerned, all farm animals have a function. Some are raised for food, some are to produce raw material. My mother would have reckoned my function was to cause her annoyance and pain. (that’s a joke btw). I don’t believe a cow has any concept of its own functionality or that of it calves. If cattle pigs or sheep weren’t raised for food, wool or milk they wouldn’t exist. I do believe though we should treat them in a humane way. But the livelihood of a Farmer and his family is much more important than the life of a cow.

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    Favourite Ross Stewart
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    Jul 7th 2016, 10:02 PM

    Again, in your opinion. You cannot state such anthropocentric viewpoints as fact. Slave owners a century ago would have had the same attitude towards their slaves. Times and attitudes change, thankfully. You have no idea what is going on in any other creatures mind- humans can only guess at this and more and more studies are showing self awareness in more and more non human animals.

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    Favourite Ross Stewart
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    Jul 7th 2016, 10:11 PM

    The idea of ‘function’ is entirely subjective. What is a mosquito’s function? What is a humans function? Nothing and everything. To exist and live. From our DNAs perspective, all of our function is simply to procreate.

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    Favourite Harry Price
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    Jul 7th 2016, 10:48 PM

    how long more will cattle have to be tested to get rid of TB ..SOME SAY ITS JOBS FOR THE BOYS and a con game…

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    Favourite Craba
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    Jul 7th 2016, 10:53 PM

    @Ross
    I quite clearly stated an opinion

    Your posts are very academic and would make great discussion points in a philosophy class. Unfortunately the world needs to function. People need to eat.

    Are you a vegetarian or vegan?

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    Favourite Anne Marie Devlin
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    Jul 7th 2016, 10:58 PM

    @craba. You’ve misunderstood my point. I was commenting on the fact that more people were outraged at the fact that the food source was shot rather than the fact the army was used to do it at the behest of a debt collector.

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    Favourite Bean Ui Mise
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:12 PM

    The Raes would probably make burgers out of the reactors and sell them in their shop.

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    Favourite Craba
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:12 PM

    Sorry Anne Marie, I did pick you up wrong.
    But on the plus side. I got to have a wonderful philosophical discussion with Ross about life, the universe and sentience

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    Favourite Donal O'Brien
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:19 PM

    So, if I understand this correctly the farmer went to the courts to declare himself bankrupt and this agent that was rounding up the cattle was doing so in the interest of clearing the farmers debts. If he was, he was doing a bloody bad job of it by killing these heifers, worth €5000 and sending cattle to the factory which would be practically worthless and not waiting 4 months for the 2 clear TB tests that would allow the herd to be sold to maximise its value.
    This whole story doesn’t add up and there are obviously factors that are not in the public domain to explain the shear madness of this situation.

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    Favourite John Considine
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:30 PM

    @Dave, sorry to piss in your hat but you held it out, I’ve no connection with government. An earlier post here says the man concerned acknowledged on radio that an animal from his herd had a lung lesion a few months ago. That’s the TB issue. That’s enough to make any neighbouring owner of cattle worried about contact.

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    Favourite John Considine
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:31 PM

    @Craba, sssssh tell no one about the great conspiracy… Judges, barristers, astronauts, Elvis Presley, Lord Lucan, Shergar…everybody is in on it….Neil Armstrong never went to the moon…

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    Favourite John Considine
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:35 PM

    @dDonal, I doubt it. My guess would be that an unsecured creditor petitioned for bankruptcy. If he had petitioned himself, he’d hardly be yowling to the media about it. If it had been a secured creditor, they wouldn’t have needed bankruptcy, they’d go to court for a well charging order and sale order, or a few other alternatives.

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    Favourite john kelly
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:39 PM

    Army under instruction from Gardai under advisement by Dept. officials. That’s the pecking order.

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    Favourite Ross Stewart
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    Jul 7th 2016, 11:45 PM

    @craba, you stated as fact that the livelihood of a farmer is more important than the life of a cow. This is opinion, not a fact. To the cow, her life is infinitely more important, as a slaves life is to a slave. In many humans opinion too, though obviously the minority. Over time minorities can become majorities and opinions change, like values and laws.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if, in 200 years time, people look at this article and consider us savages for the way these animals were shot in the field out of pure laziness and inhumanity.

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    Favourite Craba
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    Jul 8th 2016, 12:16 AM

    I have a funny feeling you just might be taking the p!ss. If you are, nice one. If not, I’ll just say I had a wonderful bit of beef this evening and I’m planning a good big fry up in the morning.
    I might count a few sheep to get me to sleep tonight, unless of course they’ve gone on a work to rule.

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    Favourite Ross Stewart
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    Jul 8th 2016, 12:26 AM

    What’s your point? You enjoy the taste of meat, so what?
    That’s like me debating exploitation of workers in 3rd world sweatshops and you saying you enjoy wearing your new Penney’s t shirt.

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    Favourite Freddie Fox
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    Jul 8th 2016, 9:54 AM

    “Commenting on the culling, a spokesperson for the Defence Forces said that its role was to assist gardaí in carrying out their work.”
    Why then not assist the gardai with their work in reclaiming the streets of dublin from criminals ! Going out and shooting animals, somebodies livelihood, is surely a deplorable act! Amazing how these backup security services are always available to assist balliffs with evictions and to quell anti-water demonstrators ie;gardai in large numbers.

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    Favourite Craba
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    Jul 8th 2016, 12:55 PM

    Penney’s t-shirt!!!! You are taking the p!ss.

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