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Comment #4687645 by Vinnie_the_yute

Vinnie_the_yute Jan 22nd 2016, 12:58 PM #

In fairness, if you had a pre-existing illness with a severe viral flu on top, it would be logical to head to a hospital if you were feeling so unwell. Not everyone can afford to have a GP call out. Plenty of people, myself included, at times can’t afford to go to the GP. In fact, there have been times I could afford to go to the GP, but couldn’t afford the prescription afterwards. For me it’s down to be self-employed and having January an exceptionally quiet time and so I’m normally cash strapped for the month. For many other, they have that 12 months of the year every year.

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Hospitals are also reporting a surge in people presenting with flu-like symptoms.

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    Favourite Eyepopper
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 12:57 PM

    Or maybe there are a lot of elderly people in the country who are told to attend a&e by their GP’s.

    Having had the unfortunate experience of being in A&E a few times, I don’t ever remember seeing anyone there who looked like they just had a sniffle, or who would choose to be there is they could be somewhere else.

    The health system in this country is a joke, but the crisis in A&E’s is due to too many people just rocking up there with a headcold? Seems legit.

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    Favourite Vinnie_the_yute
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 12:58 PM

    In fairness, if you had a pre-existing illness with a severe viral flu on top, it would be logical to head to a hospital if you were feeling so unwell. Not everyone can afford to have a GP call out. Plenty of people, myself included, at times can’t afford to go to the GP. In fact, there have been times I could afford to go to the GP, but couldn’t afford the prescription afterwards. For me it’s down to be self-employed and having January an exceptionally quiet time and so I’m normally cash strapped for the month. For many other, they have that 12 months of the year every year.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:03 PM

    There are also GP’s who just won’t call out to you anymore…. had an episode last year with an ill relative who the doctor wouldn’t come see, his recommendation was to call the caredoc who came by and after about 10 minutes recommended we go to the A&E.

    The issue in A&E has nothing to do with too many people attended for no reason, it has everything to do with under funding, under staffing, bloated middle management and time of year.

    3 of those something can be done about, or can’t as it seems.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:08 PM

    We need to give pharmacies more powers to help and treat people too. It’s an obvious, untapped resource right under our noses.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:08 PM

    Took the words right out my mouth. Was just about to post something very similar but saw your post first.

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    Favourite Brian Ward
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:10 PM

    Vinnie you don’t have to call out the doctor if you can make it into hospital. When you get there without your GP referral you have to fork out €100. Unless you are on your last legs you will be sent home and given the same advice that your doctor could have given you. In the mean time you will have clogged up the A&E dept for those who have had a real accident or emergency.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:11 PM

    At weekends, from what I understand through the media, beds and A&E are clogged up due to drinkers overdoing it and violence from boozing it it up and acting the maggot. I’d have no problem with such people being hit with an additional levy of some kind. Though, it would be tricky to implement I would think. You may end up targeting people who’ve had genuine accidents even though they had just a few drinks in them.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:14 PM

    @Brian. I know there’s a charge, but if you don;t have the cash for a GP and need to be seen, then you have no option. You won;t get the bill for a week or two and that may be enough time to gather up the fee in question.

    Also,separately, I’ve seen a bill from a hospital recently for A&E and it was sent by a debt collection agency on behalf of CUH with the usual intimidating language one gets on such demand letters – but no initial bill/invoice was sent in the first place.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:19 PM

    Too often doc on call will also send you to A&E. The elderly in particular are prone to complications of flu etc at this time of year. But Leo ignores, he’s very quite recently

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:33 PM

    The problem here is many older and sick people who contact the flu then go on to develop additional complication on their existing condition exacerbated by the flu.That’s why many end up in ED.The problem is being placed on those attending when the problem is under capacity in ED and hospitals.A typical Basil Faulty cop out, the guest is always wrong.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:40 PM

    Very true, we do have a chance to right this situation with the upcoming election, if we make it clear to canvassers coming to our doors, that we are demanding changes in our public services, of course that is if they have the nerve to show their faces.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:42 PM

    The government should just make it compulsory for old age pensioners to be euthanized. This does not apply to political party pensioners of course.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:48 PM

    I take it you don’t mean that comment

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    Favourite Tony Skillington
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:52 PM

    Jayaus doesn’t Joan Burton look awful in that pic

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    Favourite Paul Mc
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 1:54 PM

    Some people are more equal than others Catherine.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 2:03 PM

    Should be quiet

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 2:06 PM

    Don’t insult that poor female patient

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 2:19 PM

    According to the European Health Care Index, Ireland has the 2nd worst Health system in Europe but Leo will fix it if we vote Fine Gael back in and that’s a promise ;)

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/01/22/red-alert/

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 3:26 PM

    Welcome to the blueshirt and labour lapdog “recovery” where the health system crumbles from a lack of investment while the government fights tooth and nail so that tax dodgers Apple don’t have to pay the billions they owe the country.

    http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/apple-tax-avoidance-ireland-2076792-Apr2015/

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 3:29 PM

    Flu like symtoms ? More people got the flu jab that ever before, so lodgic tells me the flu jab is the cause … Don’t get the flu jab . It’s a live virus that can be passed on to people that didn’t get the jab…

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 3:35 PM

    Eddie, the stupid is strong with you. It’s inactivated so it does not cause flu.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 4:38 PM

    Monday nights are usually worst as all the idiots who have sobered up after the weekend suddenly discover they have suffered an injury . Anyone with alcohol related issues should be charged double..and if on a medical card have it withdrawn.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 4:48 PM

    Very sensible idea Paul, but something tells me if people didn’t turn up with drink / drug related problems there may not be that much difference in numbers turning up to A& E

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 5:09 PM

    John b … It’s a live virus … Only stupid people like you and the rest of the sheep get it… Go look at what’s in the vaccine …

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 5:13 PM

    I agree totally.

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    Favourite Paddy o'brian
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 5:41 PM

    Can’t blame David hickey for getting outta the Irish medical system, he’s now working in uk transplant unit, the scenes in our hospitals are getting worse by the day

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 5:48 PM

    The only thing that’s improved in our hospitals is that nowadays the corridors are patrolled by security crews who don’t take no shit from drunks I’ve seen them eject a drunk who got verbal with them. they threw him outside the front door a lot of these guys are polish and they accept no messing from anyone

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    Favourite Catherine Mc
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 5:52 PM

    That’s sad in itself

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 6:50 PM

    @Vinnie – and their recommendations are Free

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    Favourite Catherine Mc
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 7:03 PM

    The Ard Dheis this weekend will probably solve the crisis, better not to hold one’s breath though

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 7:08 PM

    Ard Fheis it should have read

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    Favourite Alan Scott
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 7:14 PM

    What is wrong with the people of Ireland ? This health crises is a matter of life and death . I am fed up to the bloody teeth of posts on water bills YET none or very little attention is been given to this huge problem I have seen the Minister for health clapping himself on the back just because he has seen a tiny reduction on patient s waiting for beds and the only people standing up to him are the health workers while the rest of us look on [meaning] mass protest of every man woman and child its not happening. Why.?

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 7:30 PM

    Alan, I genuinely hope we let them know at the ballot box, why are we not out protesting ? We are tired of protests, water etc because it didn’t change anything, they have beaten us into submission, but only if we let them, the election is now sooner rather than later !

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    Favourite John Joseph McDermott
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    Jan 22nd 2016, 9:22 PM

    I thought all old people over 70 have medical cards and free GP visits so who is sending them to the hospitals.?

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 9:40 PM

    Not all over 70s have medical cards there is usually a good reason why you are sent to A & E by your doctor. You have to remember hospitals in Dublin are bearing the brunt of the whole north east and midlands because a lot of hospitals have been downgraded. Break a bone in Cavan you are sent to Drogheda, must be the worst Road in ireland, to my knowledge no public transport on a regular basis either. As bad as things are in Dublin spare a thought for those living outside the pale! Don’t break a bone, don’t have cardiac arrest, you would probably be dead before it arrived the ambulance I mean. I could go on but what’s the point?

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 9:51 PM

    That’s true not all over 70s have medical cards you have to apply for one before you receive it!

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 10:11 PM

    Poor Joan hasn’t looked her best since her shipwreck recently…..

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 10:11 PM

    Do WE, Vinny, do we really? FFS

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 10:18 PM

    #eyepopper. I agree totally, if the HSE were to offload half of the administrative non clinical staff who are totally surplus to needs. Hire more front line clinical staff to replace them,it would solve an awful lot of problems within the health service without even increasing their budget.

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    Jan 22nd 2016, 10:32 PM

    Conventional “Health Care” has gone to the dogs.
    A taste of what’s coming.
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 7:27 AM

    @alpha perfectly said.

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