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Comment #7288413 by Ennui Kenny

Ennui Kenny Jun 13th 2018, 2:40 PM #

Well that’s fair enough. If the majority of the party deny the motion for a conscience vote then anyone who objects can leave the party. Democracy in action.

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Sinn Féin motion calls for conscience vote to be allowed on abortion

Sinn Féin motion calls for conscience vote to be allowed on abortion

Sinn Féin’s Pearse Doherty said he believes the motion will be defeated at this weekend’s Ard Fheis in Belfast.

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    Favourite Jack McGready
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    Jun 13th 2018, 2:48 PM

    @Ennui Kenny:
    Sinn Fein is not a one is a single issue party. TDs have been elected on a myriad of other platforms. Expelling members on grounds of conscientious objection is dictatorial and totalitarian. The last thing the 6 counties needs right now is more fundamentalist politics.

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    Favourite Barry Somers
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    Jun 13th 2018, 2:50 PM

    @Ennui Kenny: I agree and this goes for any party.

    If you don’t agree with the party on something nobody is forcing you to remain a member of the party. Go join another party or become an independent.

    I hear Renua are looking for new members….. Sure it was founded back in 2013 when FG members and others were unhappy with the protection of life during pregnancy bill (the bill the same people said was fine during the ref… You can’t make this stuff up)

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    Favourite The Risen
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    Jun 13th 2018, 2:56 PM

    @Jack McGready: ‘ Expelling members on grounds of conscientious objection is dictatorial and totalitarian.’

    Expelling members on grounds of breaking party rules you mean.

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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:02 PM

    @The Risen:
    Granted, all parties have rules but in this instance which involves an issue of morality, ethics and conscience tolerance and respect for other member’s philosophical position should be adopted.

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    Favourite Ennui Kenny
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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:03 PM

    @Jack McGready: If you are a member of a political party you know what you are signing up for, its policies and rules. If you don’t like them you can leave. If you break the rules or ignore the will of the majority of its members then you can be asked to leave. Nobody made these 2 TD’s join SF, SF paid their election expenses and provided them with all of the support to get them elected so don’t you think that the 2 TD’s should reciprocate by following the ruling policies of the party?

    If they don’t like it then they can leave and trying running in the next election with another party or as an independent.

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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:03 PM

    not a party worth belonging to or voting for. Complicity in the willful and deliberate destruction of the unborn child, the most vulnerable part of humanity. I wonder.

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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:05 PM

    @Nnajiofor: If it’s unborn, it’s not a child.

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    Favourite Barry Somers
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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:05 PM

    @Jack McGready: nonsense, you could claim it would be wrong to kick a member out because they hate gay people if that’s the case.

    After all they could hate gay people based on their religious beliefs.

    If you don’t line the party line then leave the party, it’s very simple.

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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:10 PM

    @Nnajiofor: so you’ll be voting for no major party then? After all they all backed a repeal.

    Why single out SF?

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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:15 PM

    @Ennui Kenny:
    Conversely one might argue that political parties accepting candidates who have fundamentally different views on important issues such as abortion essentially because that candidate has political potential for party purposes is both hypocritical and exploitative if they are then expelled when expressing an honest and principled position.

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    Favourite CrabaRev
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    Jun 13th 2018, 3:29 PM

    @Jack McGready: The whole point of a political party is that they vote in an agreed block. The individual members can express their opinions and try to influence the opinions of others. But when the party decides to vote on that issue, the individual votes with the party or are sanctioned. Its politics 101.

    There are many issues facing this country that are much more important than the details of legislation for abortion services.

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    Favourite Mary King
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    Jun 13th 2018, 4:00 PM

    @Ennui Kenny:
    Uno duce, uno voce ?

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    Jun 13th 2018, 4:02 PM

    @Jack McGready: I would presume that before a candidate is picked that there is a sit down and various policies and issues are discussed beforehand. If everyone is on the same page then all is well and good. If however the position of one side or the other changes then to such an extent that the views or policies of both are incompatible with each other then either its either leave the party or be expelled. It’s an everyday occurance in life. If I work for a company selling teddy bears for example and they shift focus to selling guns and I have a problem with that and refuse to carry out company policy then I can either leave the job or get fired not not carrying out my duties.

    There is nothing stopping these TD’s seeking election the next time round and following all of SF policies except for the one’s on abortion. It’s then up to the electorate to decide if they want the TD’s elected or not.

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    Jun 13th 2018, 4:45 PM

    @Mary King: Surely una duca now!!

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    Jun 13th 2018, 7:56 PM

    @CrabaRev: there is clear precedent for free votes on con issues. Both fg and ff have given a free vote. Why won’t sf??

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