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Comment #1812056 by Buzz Killington

Buzz Killington Nov 16th 2013, 12:10 PM #

Good God. Why is he so lenient with sex offenders!!

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Over 2,000 people have signed a petition calling for a judge to resign

Over 2,000 people have signed a petition calling for a judge to resign

Judge Martin Nolan this week gave a suspended sentence to a man found with 7,000 indecent images of children, sparking outrage, but a legal professional called the petition “ridiculous”.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:32 PM

    We also don’t know the circumstances of this case… He may have downloaded them by accident…

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    Favourite John Ryan
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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:32 PM

    He might not have harmed the child but who took the pictures he is just as guilty

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    Favourite Sinead O'Rourke
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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:34 PM

    Comparing paedophilia to homosexuality is just completely wrong. Adults can consent to sexual activity, children can NEVER do this. Watching images is not a victimless crime – each child involved was abused and is a victim. 7,000 images equates to a LOT of victims. Without demand for these images, such as from that civil servant, the industry of child porn would not exist. So this man abused up to 7,000 children Himself. A suspended sentence is an absolute disgrace and while I think judges should be protected , it’s clear this judge has a warped view of what’s right or wrong and this needs to be highlighted.

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    Favourite Dermot Mc
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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:37 PM

    _
    You do not unknowingly download 70k of images
    He may not have assaulted the children concerned but he has allowed and facilitated the assault and abuse of children by paying for them

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    Favourite Breandán O'Broin
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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:42 PM

    7000 images by accident, really?

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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:43 PM

    He downloaded 7 thousand images… Where does it say he paid for them?

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    Favourite Ian Walsh
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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:46 PM

    Jimmy I think you need to seek professional help. What has being gay to do with this?

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    Favourite Sinead O'Rourke
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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:47 PM

    It doesn’t matter whether he paid for them or not. There’s absolutely no way you can download that volume of images by accident. An accident could be 1 or two which I would imagine any right minded person would immediately delete, not save on their computer.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:47 PM

    The guy was found with 7 thousand images on his computer… we don’t know the full story of the case… did he download them? Did his son download them? Was it by accident etc… everyone here is jumping to conclusions that he’s guilty without knowing the full story…

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    Favourite Buzz Killington
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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:52 PM

    The fact is, he was found guilty in a court of law. The problem is the lenient (pretty much non existent )sentence.
    People are abusing children as there’s a demand for this sick material.
    You don’t download 7,000 images by mistake either.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 12:55 PM

    Also, these people should be named and shamed.(unless the victim requests otherwise in the case of the assault on the neighbour)
    I’d wanna know if there was a sex offender living on my street

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:01 PM

    Jimmy – what on earth does being gay have to do with this topic? It is disgraceful for you to even insert the idea that homosexuality is related to indecent images of children.

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    Favourite Mick Jordan.
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:05 PM

    jgrcb. He was found guilty. If he had “innocently” downloaded those images in one file it would have shown in the evidence and he would have been cleared. But that he was found guilty shows that he knowingly downloaded those images.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:10 PM

    impeach him and let the others see we live in a democracy and that the legal cartel is answerable to the people

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    Favourite Maggie may
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:10 PM

    That is the most ignorant comment I have ever seen on the journal. Do you realise that there is a victim for every one of those 7000 images. A rape or indecent assault has taken place on the children in those images. By buying those images he commissioned a crime. Would you think it was ok to stand around in the same room and watch a child being raped and pay as you pleasure yourself as a child is being traumatised for life. Just because the child is halfway around the world and maybe a different race does not make it less real. I think people think these images are acting etc that is not the case. Everytime someone pays for child pornography they are creating a financial incentive for a child to be exploited and raped somewhere in the world. aWhilst I agree a petition will make no different and the judiciary must be independent they need more training on child abuse and its devastating effect.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:15 PM

    @jgrcb
    Fu@k off, will ye?!

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    Favourite Jimmy
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:17 PM

    Haha loooove it completely over the top reaction. Never said anything was wronh wiyh bring gay. The pitch gork brigade are out today :) just analogy a person can’t help being gay. So a person if so inclined can’t help finding other preferences attractive. Its how they act on it. 7000 images are not by accident but alot can be cartoons as have been the case before. I don’t need any help thanks I see with perfect logic. I dont own a pitch fork.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:17 PM

    Yet moves are underway in EU and US to try to make paedophilia a sexual orientation. Welcome to the “Brave New World” of the EUSSR. The sexualisation, abuse kidnapping of our children by social services.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:24 PM

    The public have to have faith in Judges for the system to work. Lot of people have no faith in Nolan to be a Judge.

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    Favourite J. Dunn
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:26 PM

    Monetary transaction is of no consequence and I cannot fathom an argument as such. Behaviour like this is predatory in that it propagates the heinous and unforgivable exploitation of the defenseless.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:34 PM

    What 7, 000 mistakes!? The simplest explanation is usually the correct one

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    Favourite John Onslow
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:34 PM

    He was found guilty

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    Favourite GatheringYourMoney13
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:39 PM

    “However, one legal professional, who did not wish to be named, called the petition “ridiculous”.
    Sums it up doesn’t it??
    This echoes of very recent years when priests were freely allowed to rape Irish children as our “justice” system looked the other way.
    What???
    Let him keep his job?????
    Take away his salary and pension and Jail him!!!!!!!

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:44 PM

    Ah the poor fella… He has to be innocent…

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    Favourite jgrcb
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:51 PM

    He was found guilty of having indecent images on his computer… not of actually downloading the images… Maybe his friend or cousin downloaded the images..

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    Favourite Leslie Alan Rock
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:55 PM

    1 is an accident…7000 is hardly a boo boo

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    Favourite Leslie Alan Rock
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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:57 PM

    Whats actually sad is theres 12 people dumb enough that agree with you

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    Nov 16th 2013, 1:59 PM

    Its still an offence to be in possession of them

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    Favourite Luke Sullivan
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:01 PM

    @jgrcb

    You’re the one jumping to conclusions. He was caught using his work computer. Unless his son, went into his public service office and downloaded them there?Hardly.

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    Favourite Oisín Byrne
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:21 PM

    Where’s the evidence of that?

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    Favourite Paul Fahey
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:21 PM

    ElaineFogarty – ah there you are Jim Corr, I wondered what happened to you and your theories.

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    Favourite aisling doyle
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:24 PM

    What 7000 of them what you on ??? Your attitude stinks …

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    Favourite Colette Mullins
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:33 PM

    7000 of them by accident! !!!!!

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    Favourite Bill Butler
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:42 PM

    This guy is the tip of the iceberg our courts are a sham they are supposed to be the pillar of democracy where they are just and judges operate with out fear or favour ,well many of us who have been burned by the criminals who operate in our courts know they real truth and these people are still allowed to police themselves.the current system is the single biggest threat to what little democracy we have left and anybody who trumps the current system is benefiting in some way .

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    Favourite Niall Boylan
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:43 PM

    This is not the first time Judge Nolan has handed down light sentencing for theses crimes. I often wonder do judges become immune to the effects of crime when hearing it day after day. Does it become a tedious job and should they be replaced on a regular basis.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:46 PM

    @Sinead

    “Adults can consent to sexual activity, children can NEVER do this”

    That depends on what country you live in. The age of consent in Spain is 13 for example.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:52 PM

    No he didn’t, he has been seeing a psychologist for his ‘problem’

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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:53 PM

    7000 accidents. Are u for real ?

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    Favourite Dublinjonny
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:54 PM

    A dark web … facepalm

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    Favourite lornalarkin
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:54 PM

    He downloaded them on his work laptop they were found during a routine upgrade. The case has taken place already.. Hence the sentence!!!! You should read the details.

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    Favourite lornalarkin
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:56 PM

    Hahaha!! Are you serious!!? Are you really really serious!!! If that happened on my work computer as a genuine accident I’d very quickly inform someone.

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    Favourite Luke Sullivan
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:56 PM

    An individual’s outlook on life is bound to influence their decisions. We’re not computers.

    Though the sentence was very disturbing, as his previous sentences have been disturbing too, I think judges should have to justify their decisions somewhat rather than replacing them because we don’t like a sentence handed down.

    It’s not at all uncommon to see court reports in local newspapers where one guy gets a 6 month sentence for assaulting a guy and breaking his jaw, and the next day with a different judge the same scenario is presented and the guy walks away with a suspended sentence – a slap on the wrist.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:57 PM

    Downloaded by Accident lol your funny!

    7,000 images !!!

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    Favourite lornalarkin
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:57 PM

    Oh my god you must be simple.

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    Favourite Jerry Slattery
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    Nov 16th 2013, 2:58 PM

    According to the court records he did not pay for any of the images
    We do seem to be getting into into a mob mentality been driven by the frenzy of radio talk shows such as #liveline and #Neilboylantonight to name but a few.
    I know very little about this case but I do tend to leave it to the professionals who are actually in court and know the full details to decide . putting sick people like this man into prison at a cost of a couple of grand a week is not always the answer and is rarely beneficial to these type of people or the victims

    roll on the red thumbs

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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:05 PM

    I agree to some degree Jerry. He’ll also likely be targeted in prison a a sex offender – a sex offender that didn’t actually have sex in the first pace.

    I’m not going to try to justify his actions, I don’t have any justification, but it’s not as if he himself went out and sodomised a child, unlike many other offenders in this country.

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    Favourite Stiofán De Priondárgas
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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:07 PM

    In fairness, I don’t know how someone could download over 7000 images “by accident” I’m sure the images would be at least 1mb depending on res, and 7000 of them would take a fair bit of room. it would possibly take a bit of work to get them too they are hardly in the top of pirate bays list of torrents. It’s discussing to think these people are getting way with it so lightly and then you have people in jail for doing small things in comparison. Were the hell is the logic?

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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:09 PM

    It doesn’t matter if he paid for them or not. Those children suffered so he, and others like him, could feed his depravity. They’re paying for his boners, with mental and emotional scars, with physical scars, with (in some cases probably not all though) the knowledge that people out there are wanking to their childhood nightmare.

    His paying, or not, financially is irrelevant. He consumed this “product”, a product made from the suffering of children.

    THAT makes him just as wrong, just as abusive.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:15 PM

    The pornography needs a market that makes him a perpetrator

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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:24 PM

    7000 times !!!!! don’t be naive

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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:35 PM

    Amen, Becka! Absolutely disgusting.

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    Favourite Sharon Larkin
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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:51 PM

    Exactly. It’s not cartoon images he downloaded. Children had to be put in an awful situation for him to get his images.

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    Favourite Méalainí Drake
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    Nov 16th 2013, 3:53 PM

    Well, jgrcb, WHOEVER downloaded them has a serious problem. And the owner of the PC needs to take responsibility. A thing that a lot of people don’t have any more.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:20 PM

    7k photos downloaded by accident i not think so

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:24 PM

    As far as I know the owner of a pc doesn’t have to take responsibility (legally speaking) and the financial transaction aspect is actually quite important. Remember this is a criminal case, so although the balance of probability would indicate his guilt, it must be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that he downloaded the images, and not that they were downloaded on his computer by someone else. This sentence could possibly be due to the judge being worried about the safety of the conviction, but by handing down a lenient sentence a conviction is secured while the chance of the defendant pursing an appeal are reduced as his sentence could be increased on appeal.
    May be more to the story than can fit into a short journal article.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:25 PM

    jgrcb you do not download 7000 photo’s by accident

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:33 PM

    your a nobhead 7000 by accident you must like child porn you dirty b==t=rd

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    Favourite Catherine Mill
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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:37 PM

    Why protect the judge? He is clearly condoning the crime.
    Justice in Ireland always was . justice must be Seen, To be done.
    Maybe he is in favour of decriminalizing child rape/ abuse?
    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/chiesa-church-iglesia-pedofilia-pedophilia-pedofilia-7401/
    “A consultant to US bishops’ is attempting to abolish pedophilia as a crime and his colleagues are attempting its erasure from the APA Diagnostic and Statistics Manual of Mental Disorders”
    We know the courts are controlled from Rome with the Red Mass every year in Dublin celebrating this.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:37 PM

    Don’t know why everybody is shocked this country is riddled with pedophiles we have a serious issue that people try to sweep under the carpet.
    We have systematic abuse of children in their homes , in state care by people in authority and it goes right to the top remember a certain judge caught with still child porn still enjoying his huge pension,
    No Internet campaign will solve the problem we have more than our fair share of perverts

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:37 PM

    Jfreb
    He was found guilty you clown.the problem here is the lenient sentence not whether he did it or not.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:39 PM

    all pedo’s like you say it was someone else well your as bad as he is may be you have your own child images filty c==t

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:40 PM

    To use the quote
    “People are made to be loved and things are made to be used… The confusion in this world is that people are being used and things are being loved…”
    More “value” is placed on processions not life

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    Nov 16th 2013, 4:41 PM

    “it’s not as if he himself went out and sodomised a child, unlike many other offenders in this country.”

    That is where you are so wrong. We are all energy and this man gave his energy while viewing the images. He also sucked energy from the child/children in the images over and over. It is their food for goodness sake.. Therefore under Universal Law he is equally guilty.
    If you have no understanding of energy and energy suckers, then please do not make such incorrect statements .You justified the judges actions too by making excuses re jail etc.why?

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    Nov 16th 2013, 5:02 PM

    Even if he had deleted all the images, the forensic software available today could retrieve most of them unless the user new about and had used other forensic software to erase their existence on the hard disk. In this case we are not told if the images had indeed been deleted and the accused might have thought they were gone for good.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 5:32 PM

    I’d be very concerned about what you have downloaded “accidentally”

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    Nov 16th 2013, 5:38 PM

    Is your crack pipe empty yet?

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    Nov 16th 2013, 6:11 PM

    Yeah, right!

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    Nov 16th 2013, 6:23 PM

    Wha???????????????????

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    Nov 16th 2013, 6:42 PM

    That many images. Get real…

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    Nov 16th 2013, 7:49 PM

    “If you have no understanding of energy and energy suckers, then please do not make such incorrect statements”

    Jesus Christ Catherine.

    If you\re not spouting off about conspiracy theories, you spout off about the patriarchy ad nauseum.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to hear you say Gravity holds women down, therefore gravity must be the fcuking patriarchy.

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    Nov 16th 2013, 8:33 PM

    Check his computer!!

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    Nov 16th 2013, 9:09 PM

    I presume all the people on here baying for blood are the same people who in another context give out about our mental health service and complain about the lack of support for people with mental health issues

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    Nov 16th 2013, 11:34 PM

    I cant believe he may have downloaded 7,000 pic by accident he should be in jail minimum

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    Nov 17th 2013, 12:48 AM

    Yeah, 7,000 times “accidently”, are you for real troll boy!

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    Nov 17th 2013, 2:00 AM

    7000 is alot but sure what if its an archive he downloaded via a torrent site. One click just wait and 7000 images there you go. Technically someone could do it by accident some searching for regular porn its mislabelled and you think your downloading something you like but its illegal images. Now I know not in the above case but just saying its completely possible.

    Just from being tech savvy the ways they are nabbed are either going to a site with underage stuff REPEATEDLY not just once by mistake and traffic through the server is being monitored. Paying for images via card and transactions monitored. Downloading via p2p from a sting host, this one however is harder to go after as again you might not read a title and download a file by mistake. By sharing the files on p2p its easy to mistakenly download but not mistake to have them uploaded and sharing out.

    The problem is the dark web. Tor is if updated running on Linux completely uncrackable even the NSA cant crack updated tor if the traffic is not using ecit node. The hidden wiki as its called contained links to bad things from the silk road to other links that would frighten anyone. I just tend to not bother with hidden wiki as I completely disagree with lawless Internet. But it will be new battle ground to catch the people who produce this sick stuff.

    I should clarify my comments above about not sending to jail. If a person pays for this evil stuff then they are enabling and must face jail.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 2:03 AM
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    Nov 17th 2013, 2:03 AM

    But if it’s judt viewing illegal images not in anyways assisting the production of them. Then suspended sentence wnd councilling program is what’s needed

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    Nov 17th 2013, 2:12 AM

    Jimmy stop being a troll. You don’t end up with 7,000 images on your computer by accident. I don’t get why you’re so keen to defend a paedofile……….

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    Nov 17th 2013, 2:37 AM

    Judge…..resign!

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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:53 PM

    judges should be protected but not treated as omnipotent and infallible,if you are poor at your job you should be punished or sacked just like a painter,doctor or mcdonalds worker and all the more so when your job is so important,he is endangering children with his rulings and thats not hyperbole its a fact ! i dont understand the logic if he is watching child porn then eventually he will try it,people dont watch porn with a view to never trying it !!!

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    Favourite Labhrás Ó Fógartaigh
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    Nov 17th 2013, 7:48 PM

    there is an answer there somewhere buzz

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    Favourite Labhrás Ó Fógartaigh
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    Nov 17th 2013, 7:54 PM

    maybe the judge downloaded thousands ….by accident of course himself

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    Mar 1st 2015, 8:39 PM

    Is it just me that has noticed:

    This judge, Judge Martin Nolan is the same judge in the Anglo banking trial (community service), the same judge in the garlic trial (6 years jail to a farmer) and now this (as well as other questionable sexual cases), god knows what emotional damage.

    What part of messed up is not understood here?

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    Mar 1st 2015, 10:51 PM

    SOME ACCIDENT….ID SAY YOU NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED..

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    Mar 1st 2015, 10:54 PM

    jgrcb…..thinks you can……FFS

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    Mar 1st 2015, 10:56 PM

    ARE YOU FOR REAL….

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    Favourite Niall Doran
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    Mar 2nd 2015, 9:42 AM

    How could he have downloaded them by accident, and them type of images are exchanged within groups, he should be in jail.

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