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Comment #5082093 by Gary Guilfoyle

Gary Guilfoyle May 16th 2016, 9:33 PM #

Fact. We should look towards Canada where all ministers are qualified in their fields.

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Vincent Browne: Appointing unqualified ministers is an airhead absurdity we inherited from the British

Vincent Browne: Appointing unqualified ministers is an airhead absurdity we inherited from the British

There is no wonder ministers make cock up after cock up, writes Vincent Browne for TheJournal.ie.

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    Favourite Brinster
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    May 16th 2016, 9:37 PM

    And 50% of the Cabinet are women.

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    Favourite Daisy Chainsaw
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    May 16th 2016, 9:37 PM

    30 Ministers for Education, the rest minister for brown envelopes

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    Favourite Old Gabby Johnson
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    May 16th 2016, 9:45 PM

    To think we’ve had fergal quinn in the seanad for years.. Yet in last gov minister for small business was failed business man john perry.

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    Favourite Brinster
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    May 16th 2016, 9:48 PM

    OK so if I’m interpreting the green and red thumbs correctly, we should definitely, absolutely, positively follow Canada’s example of only appointing people who are qualified as Ministers. Unless of course, those people happen to be women.

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    Favourite Malachi
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    May 16th 2016, 9:53 PM

    What, Brinster? The most qualified politician for a certain role should get the ministry, regardless of their gender.

    The reason your comment about Canada’s 50% women ministers got bad feedback was presumably because that’s not how Trudeau picked his ministers. He pretty much used his own form of quota in order to make sure that there were as many women as men in the cabinet.

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    Favourite Eoin McDonnell
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    May 16th 2016, 9:54 PM

    What does that mean?

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    Favourite Anne Marie Devlin
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    May 16th 2016, 9:57 PM

    Gary. I don’t know what it means to be qualified n your field. But we had Seamus O’Reilly and Leo as ministers for health – both doctors and both useless if not downright harmful.
    However, this cabinet is just bizarre. As Vincent pointed out Mary Mitchell O’Connor – a primary school teacher is going to be negotiating with huge multinationals to encourage them to bring jobs here. She has had one term in the dail, Her only impact was driving down the steps. Harris – a 29 year old with a degree in journalism and just 4 years’ experience in the dail is minister for health. I suppose we can thank our lucky stars that Lowry was not made minister for corporate affairs. Katharine Zappone – first time in the dail and minister for children and youth affairs and of course our glorious primary school teacher Enda as minster for defence. He’ll be great at tackling all those paper planes directed at him.

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    Favourite Ziggy722
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    May 16th 2016, 10:06 PM

    Noonan looks like someone who should be pushing a wheelbarrow full of horse manure or digging a ditch not in a highly responsible government position.

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    Favourite Peter Fechter
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    May 16th 2016, 10:09 PM

    Classic!

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    Favourite Sinead Hanley
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    May 16th 2016, 10:16 PM

    Well put Anne Marie..

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    Favourite Brinster
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    May 16th 2016, 10:18 PM

    @ Malachi

    Trudeau had a very definite and very deliberate policy – a gender balanced cabinet.

    Gary’s comment has been very well received. And rightly so. I like the Canadian model

    I’m just pointing out that if you want to follow the Canadian model, this involves not only picking someone who is qualified, it also involves picking 50% women.

    It really, really, really shouldn’t be difficult to find several outstanding candidates for Ministries of both genders.

    They just might not all be politicians.

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    May 16th 2016, 10:18 PM

    There needs to be more problem solvers in government. Scientists, mathematicians, engineers, people who are literally trained to find answers, not rehash old ideas.

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    Favourite Malachi
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    May 16th 2016, 10:21 PM

    But Brinster, the part people like about Canada’s system isn’t the gender quotas – it’s the fact that their ministers are educated.

    I completely and utterly reject the notion that you should bypass potentially better qualified people in search of a 50/50 cabinet. That is a looney idea in my opinion and I’m fairly sure most people wouldn’t support it over here.

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    Favourite Dave cullen
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    May 16th 2016, 10:25 PM

    We allow it.Regina Doherty owes tens of thousands,business goes bust so we let her give politics a shot-our system needs changing to stop these opportunists feeding off it.

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    Favourite Tweed Cap
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    May 16th 2016, 10:33 PM

    This government does not solve problems. It subsidises them instead.
    Unless of course its housing – in that case they make an obvious exception.

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    Favourite Adrian
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    May 16th 2016, 10:49 PM

    This motley crew of a gov are only capable of doing one thing to solve all the countrys problems, which is raising taxes, and even then they still eff up and squander the taxpayers money away.

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    Favourite Brinster
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    May 16th 2016, 10:50 PM

    @ Malachi

    “I completely and utterly reject the notion that you should bypass potentially better qualified people in search of a 50/50 cabinet.”

    Agreed.

    But I’m not saying that.

    I’m saying we should look beyond the relatively small pool of elected politicians.

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    Favourite Scorpionvenomm
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    May 16th 2016, 10:54 PM

    Mr hepatitis you mean.

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    Favourite Malachi
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    May 16th 2016, 11:14 PM

    @Brinster

    Are you suggesting that unelected people should be on the cabinet? I’d greet that with an emphatic “No thanks”.

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    Favourite Cal McLaughlin
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    May 16th 2016, 11:15 PM

    Canada?
    This liberal experiment in gender politics is already starting to unravel.
    Justin Trudeau:
    ‘I’m an arms dealing feminist’
    Hilarious really.

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    Favourite Mike Brady
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    May 16th 2016, 11:25 PM

    One of those ‘qualified’ ministers, the premier of Alberta, left the largest fire fighting aircraft, and several others sitting on the ground a short flight away at Sproat Lake while McMurray was burming, including the house of a minister who questioned her in their parliament why she was not taking appropriate action in protecting the region against fire

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    May 16th 2016, 11:44 PM

    Titus, answers cost money to implement. No, the answer is not answers, its more questions, that need to be studied by committees to draw up expensive reports that do indeed contain some answers. However as these answers are contained in a report they can safely be set aside and left on a shelf in a dusty file room along with all the other similar reports, on whatever subject you may be concerned with, that have already been drawn up over the last 20, 30 or 50 years……thats how government works here. You must be new to this country not to have figured it out already. Never mind you will catch on.

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    Favourite Gareth Cooney
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    May 16th 2016, 11:48 PM

    You may need to read them articles a few more times…….

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    Favourite Dáibh Tett
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    May 16th 2016, 11:51 PM

    Incorrect Fact Gary. Been living in Canada for over 5 years now and involved in politics. The Canadians got their model from the British also and a lot of the current ministerial positions are filled with people with little to no experience in the portfolio they have. Admittedly they do try to leverage people’s experience but overall the MPs in the cabinet are the same as what we and the British have.

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    Favourite Joe Spillane
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    May 17th 2016, 12:08 AM

    Seamus O’ Reilly???

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    Favourite Joe Spillane
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    May 17th 2016, 12:12 AM

    When such people stand for election, maybe they will.

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    Favourite Darren Hallinan
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    May 17th 2016, 12:19 AM

    Sure didn’t we try that with having a doctor as minister for health . . . where did that get us :)

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    Favourite Malachi
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    May 17th 2016, 12:31 AM

    @Darren

    I’d rather a Doctor messed Health up than a Journalist mess Health up.

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    Favourite Paul O Riordan
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    May 17th 2016, 12:56 AM

    I must say he is truly some langer

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    Favourite Can't Think of One
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    May 17th 2016, 1:23 AM

    Yes. And 50% of buillding site labourers should also be women. It’s only fair.

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    Favourite Leighanna Rose Walsh
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    May 17th 2016, 1:25 AM

    you’re working off the assumption that there’s no gender biases in society. unless you’re going to push the idea that women are simply inherently worse at government/leading, then you can’t agree with that idea. so by default, you’re already not getting the best people for the job because of the various mechanisms that make it harder for women to succeed in politics.

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    Favourite Malachi
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    May 17th 2016, 1:54 AM

    Leighanna, do you think that less qualified women should be given preference over their male counterparts to implement a 50/50 cabinet/government?

    I personally have no love for the idea that perfectly well qualified men should be undercut because they happened to be born in the ‘wrong’ gender.

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    Favourite Titus Groan
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    May 17th 2016, 7:48 AM

    PS, what is wrong with a meritocratic government though? There are women far better than me, if they get the job it makes sense, right? I do understand why the 50/50 thing is being suggested though. Unlike any other type of nob, you’re representing people of which 50%… are women.

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    Favourite Kerry Gallagher
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    May 17th 2016, 8:35 AM

    Can’t think.
    There is no such a thing as a Laborers.
    How ever you can call them General Operator

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    Favourite Dave Milne
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    May 17th 2016, 8:36 AM

    It shouldn’t matter what sex they are as long as they are qualified to work in their appointed departments.

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    Favourite Chris Kirk
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    May 17th 2016, 11:20 AM

    They all should at least have a third level education and be qualified in something. Heather got her education at home in Aghabog.

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    Favourite marg fitzgerald
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    May 17th 2016, 11:24 AM

    not true

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    Favourite 1916RisingGhosts
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    May 17th 2016, 11:39 AM

    Having bloggers who self-style themselves as “journalists” is an airhead absurdity we inherited from the EU.

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    Favourite Patrick Gough
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    May 17th 2016, 12:54 PM

    and they pay for their water in canada

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    Favourite Patrick Gough
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    May 17th 2016, 12:56 PM

    Anne nobody can fix the health service. We spend more on health than France. qed

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    Favourite Patrick Gough
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    May 17th 2016, 12:57 PM

    and Canadians pay for water

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    Favourite Patrick Gough
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    May 17th 2016, 12:59 PM

    and 50% of dustmen should be women sorry dustpersons

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    Favourite Patrick James Walsh
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    May 17th 2016, 1:51 PM

    Maybe we spend more on health than France, but they don`t have vested interests like ours.

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    Favourite Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    May 17th 2016, 2:23 PM

    Just because your qualified doesn’t mean you’re any good. It also means that a significant section of society could be excluded.

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    Favourite Michael Sands
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    May 17th 2016, 6:11 PM

    But they have the dreaded NAFTA to deal with?

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    Favourite Nick Allen
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    May 18th 2016, 1:23 AM

    Gary

    How to you determine that is a fact?

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    Favourite John O'Shaughnessy
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    May 18th 2016, 1:42 PM

    Can a woman TD dig a ditch and wheel barrows of horse-s**t? What about the false fingernails and the hair-do??

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    Favourite Karen Murphy
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    May 22nd 2016, 5:20 PM

    the only reason Enda appointed all the women and its not for their qualifications but so he wouldn’t be shafted in a few months , because Leo and Simon are coming after him

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    Favourite Mike Brady
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    May 23rd 2016, 9:52 AM

    “They all should at least have a third level education and be qualified in something” why? Sounds like intellectual snobbery to me.

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