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Comment #1557115 by Clare O'Loughlin

Clare O'Loughlin Sep 4th 2013, 9:11 AM #

I can tell how these unrostered hours might happen for me. It’s 5 to 5 and I’m covering the labour ward, I get an urgent call to see a patient, the baby’s heartbeat is dangerously low and they are in distress, I examine the woman and make the decision she needs an emergency c-section to deliver the baby. There is no time to wait for the doctor coming to relieve me at 5pm so I can go home. We race to theatre. By the time I finish the c-section, speak at length to the parents, paediatric team and complete all the necessary documentation it might be 7pm. I may or may not get paid for those two hours depending in the mood of the medical manpower and salaries department. Mostly I won’t.
In middle of all this I’ve had to arrange someone to pick my child up from the creche. My husband works 250km away as we are expected to move to hospitals all around the country every 6-12 months. She’ll be in bed by the time I get home and I’ll have missed seeing her for a few precious hours yet again. Hope that answers your question.

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    Favourite Clare O'Loughlin
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    Sep 4th 2013, 9:11 AM

    I can tell how these unrostered hours might happen for me. It’s 5 to 5 and I’m covering the labour ward, I get an urgent call to see a patient, the baby’s heartbeat is dangerously low and they are in distress, I examine the woman and make the decision she needs an emergency c-section to deliver the baby. There is no time to wait for the doctor coming to relieve me at 5pm so I can go home. We race to theatre. By the time I finish the c-section, speak at length to the parents, paediatric team and complete all the necessary documentation it might be 7pm. I may or may not get paid for those two hours depending in the mood of the medical manpower and salaries department. Mostly I won’t.
    In middle of all this I’ve had to arrange someone to pick my child up from the creche. My husband works 250km away as we are expected to move to hospitals all around the country every 6-12 months. She’ll be in bed by the time I get home and I’ll have missed seeing her for a few precious hours yet again. Hope that answers your question.

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    Sep 4th 2013, 9:33 AM

    Unrostered overtime is essentially the incidental overtime which is usually unpaid regardless of the cause, rostered overtime is the rostered call shift which they may also not get paid for, depending on the mood – so to answer your question – the 36hr is forced (it’s quite literally stated in the contract).
    You should do some research before smearing a group of people. It’s shameful.

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    Sep 4th 2013, 9:46 AM

    Where is the smear wander arch? Might happen Claire? You omit the most common reason dont you?

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    Sep 4th 2013, 9:53 AM

    Most common reason being?

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    Sep 4th 2013, 10:16 AM

    James the most common reason is the people of Ireland don’t look at the clock when they decide to get ill.

    Some services are structured so that the “on call” cover has enough capacity that one can hand over even the unexpected, 5 to 5, “doctor while you’re here…” bleeps. Most are not.

    So your choice is that we do unrostered overtime, or leave you in the bed with pain/ a heart attack/ urinary retention/ sepsis/ seizure/ psychosis/ panic attack/ whatever until someone else is free to deal with it.

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    Sep 4th 2013, 10:19 AM

    The smear being Wander Arch?

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    Sep 4th 2013, 10:24 AM

    The smear being that you appear to think there’s misinformation being floated out by NCHD’s.

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    Favourite Clare O'Loughlin
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    Sep 4th 2013, 10:29 AM

    Please enlighten me I would love to know

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    Sep 4th 2013, 10:33 AM

    Where did I say that Wander Arch?

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    Sep 4th 2013, 10:37 AM

    James
    Clare’s point should really have read “one of the reasons I have to do” instead of “might” because as a theatre nurse it’s also one of the reasons I have to stay beyond my rostered shift for emergency life saving surgery that can’t be delayed until the next shift comes on duty.

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    Sep 4th 2013, 10:38 AM

    Being asked by a consultant to come in early, stay later or come in on your off day to suit their time. All totally outside the rostered service requirements. Common yes?

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    Sep 4th 2013, 11:05 AM

    You’re right James. Consultants generally work outside of normal time to suit their own greed. There’s actually no clinical need for them to be around most of the time, and in general they’re only putting in time until the weather dries up so they can get a quick round of golf in. The rostered service requirements are actually totally adequate to service the needs of the population and there’s no reason we have waiting lists other than the greed of the consultants.

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    Favourite Mary Crimmins
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    Sep 4th 2013, 11:20 AM

    @dave. I knew it. Now back to writing my column for the mail. Rabble rabble rabble.

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