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33% of households have an income of less than €30,000 – NERI

New NERI research shows that 62 per cent of households across the country have a gross income below the mean.

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A THIRD OF Irish households have a gross annual income of less than €30,000, according to new research by the Nevin Economic Research Institute (NERI).

The research, which focused on the nature of Ireland’s income distribution, found that 56 per cent of households have a gross income of less than €50,000 – and that 62 per cent have a gross income below the mean household income.

Around 34,000 households record an income of less than €10,000 per annum. The NERI says that – in general – these comprise of single-person households, households with low self-employment income and unemployed households.

However, the top 20 per cent of households have a gross income of more than €80,000 per annum; 14 per cent of households have a gross income above €100,000 per annum; and 2 per cent of households have gross incomes above €200,000 per annum.

The income data for those living in institutions – for example, asylum centres, prisons, hospitals and care homes – is not included in the report.

‘Gross income’ is defined as cash and non-cash income from employee earnings, self-employment earnings, pensions, property income, investment income and all forms of welfare entitlement – including child benefit.

Predictions

The NERI said that, over the next three years, it projects an annual GDP growth of less than 1 per cent for 2013 and 2014 and 1.8 per cent in 2015.

A further contraction of the domestic economy following Budget 2013 and a further increase in unemployment in 2013 and 2014 should also be expected, it said.

Overall, the NERI’s assessment of the Irish economy were pessimistic – and highlighted ongoing economic stagnation as a result of continued contractions in domestic demand, sustained uncertainty at a European level, and the slow recovery of the international economy. It also highlighted “stubbornly high” levels of youth unemployment and long-term unemployment.

“The prospect of higher budgetary deficits, larger numbers unemployed, further austerity measures and the contracting domestic economy leads us to question the Government’s capacity to reach its fiscal targets in 2015 and to limit the increase in the national debt without significant changes in policy approach as well as improvement in international conditions,” it stated.

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  • It’s a pisser bein skint.. :-(

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  • “A further contraction of the domestic economy following Budget 2013 and a further increase in unemployment in 2013 and 2014 should also be expected, it said.”

    Proving that austerity doesn’t and can’t work, those on the left and and us on the right are demanding a stimulus package but all we are going to get is more taxation, reduced services for those taxes couple with more social problems and higher emigration.

    Enda et al, get your finger out please and do something.

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    • Conor 18/01/13 #

      There’s no money to be a stimuli!

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    • Scarr 18/01/13 #

      *cough* leaders allowance. *cough* taxpayers money into aib pension pot *cough* tens of thousands paid to TDs for a few months commitee work *cough*

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    • Conor 18/01/13 #

      A stimuli costs billions and would have to be borrowed…. I somehow don’t think the aib pension pot will cover it

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    • Conor, there are a hundred revenue neutral things that could be done, for instance allowing childcare to tax deductible this would enable more parents to return to the workforce, lower employers PRSI allowing further employment, there are plenty more examples if you need. Getting people back to work is the most important thing this government can do.

      I think the AIB 1 billion for it’s private pension could have gone along way, this is a bit lefty of me but the HSE says the cost of a public hospital bed is 909 Euro a day. So spend that money on primary health care, letting people stay at home

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    • “Proving that austerity doesn’t and can’t work”.

      For the results you’ve suggested to be taken as proof that austerity doesn’t work, they would have to be the goals by which it is measured.

      They are not.

      The goal of austerity is not:
      - more jobs
      - an increase in the domestic economy
      - flat or increased services for the public
      - less social problems
      - less emigration

      The goal of austerity is:
      - Reducing the deficit with the goal of balancing the budget, through increased taxation and reduced spending without killing the economy

      Has austerity worked for the country?
      - Not yet anyway, but we are running less of a deficit than when we started
      - GDP has pretty much flat-lined

      Has austerity worked for you and me?
      - It wasn’t meant to. That’s why politicians speak of painful corrections, tough budgets.
      - Austerity isn’t meant to put money in your pocket. It’s meant to take take money from you in taxes and services, hopefully cutting fat along the way

      Can austerity work?
      - Possibly, if we get rid of the notion that we can protect some sacred cows in government spending
      - It will need a debt write down, but I don’t see that coming until we reach our targets. Why would the paymasters give us a deal now, when we’ve not yet shown the maturity to balance the books?

      I don’t like austerity any more than you do. But based on the actual wider goals of austerity (not the false ones you measure it against, when that’s not the purpose of it), it’s actually working – if a little inefficiently

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    • Conor 18/01/13 #

      Making childcare tax deductible and lowering employers PRSI are not revenue neutral at all. They will reduce the tax take.

      You can’t legally raid the pension pots of any company, even one that is state owned.

      Austerity is a process of reducing the budget deficit. Not a way of bringing unsklilled labourers back into the workforce.

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    • Rónán,

      Fair points one and all,

      The goal of austerity is not:
      - more jobs
      - an increase in the domestic economy
      - flat or increased services for the public
      - less social problems
      - less emigration

      These should be the goals for the government and by continuing on this route they will never be achievable.

      We can talk about bank bailouts, senior bondholders, nationalised private debt etc….. I think that none of this should have happened but we are where we are and it’s time to get the economy moving again. I would like to government to get it’s foot off of the neck of the domestic economy, get people back to work, lead instead of follow.

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    • Conor

      “Making childcare tax deductible and lowering employers PRSI are not revenue neutral at all. They will reduce the tax take.”

      Incorrect the tax lost on the parents income goes into paying the creche ( who pay it in direct and indirect taxes ), the parent goes back to work, no loss for the state. PRSI should be a no brainer, pay someone on the dole or reduce the costs of employing them by the same amount.

      “You can’t legally raid the pension pots of any company, even one that is state owned.”

      A. You can, there was a levy on private 0.6% introduced recently
      B. It should have never been given in the first place, that money was to cover bad debts not to cover an underfunded pension

      Your last point is odd, there are many highly skilled people on the dole queues

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    • Conor 18/01/13 #

      Pierce, there are numerous problems in Ireland most of them are in no area of control by the government.

      1) Ireland is a small island nation with an open economy. There is huge economic difficulties in our three major trading partners. I.e the Uk,US and the E.U.

      2) Ireland has little human capital outside the major cities. From the pobal survey we can see that the amount of people with higher education is very small outside the urban centres. Companies won’t want to locate anywhere that they cannot get qualified staff and the government can’t force people to get an education. These areas will stay like this for the foreseeable future as the youths migrate to the urban centres for college followed by employment.

      3) There is no money for a stimulus like you say. Any major infrastructure projects will only bring a short term boost to an area with no long term tangible improvements bar the folly that was built.

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    • I agree Pierce,

      The economy at some point will need stimulus, but it’s not coming any time soon. When the books are balanced we’ll re-structure our debt and we’ll be given targetted stimulus through Europe.

      They’re not going to give us the tools to stimulate anymore, because they know our elected representatives are too likely to blow it on jobs for the boys and get rich schemes like property bubbles.

      By the time we’re out of austerity (I reckon another 3-4 years), we’ll hopefully (if we’re smart) be growing indigenous export companies (not subsidizing more multinationals) via approved (by Europe) stimulus measures. I reckon direct government capital expenditure will be via (and partnered with) Europe and the EIB. This will be more down to the profligacy of Spanish regional governments rather than our own white elephants.

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    • Conor,

      1. I would have thought being a small open country would be make our economy easier to turn around, the difficulties in our trading partners are bad, but increasing market share should be an achievable goal.

      2. Ireland is a small country, no where is more than a hour or so from a city, are you saying there aren’t thousands of highly qualified people on the dole?

      3. Who mentioned follies, I’m talking about supporting business and stimulating the economy. I don’t want to build a bridge from Dublin to Holyhead.

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    • Rónán,

      Agree 100%, I think it will have to happen earlier though, roughly around the time people go door knocking looking for votes.

      It’s time to support businesses now who will be able to hit the ground running whenever it happens.

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    • Isn’t “stimuli” a plural? As such, doesn’t “a stimuli” make no sense?

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  • Cost of living here is totally out of sync with peoples incomes. Doctors, Dentists, accountants, Lawyers, senior managers etc are all living in a fairy bubble land and need to bring their fees down substantially. They are riding the economy for all its worth. There are HR managers looking for 70k WTF? One thing that these wage surveys show is that Property is still over priced for most of the populace.

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  • The septic tiger was the cause of the stupid prices we pay here. Wish it never happened to be honest.

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  • I had to leave Dublin, took a pay cut and all that but where were we going with the prospect of a 1500 a month mortgage and the same again for 2 kids in child care and a third on the way. Between childcare costs, Mortgage, etc it was 3000 of net income a month out before anything else and when you have that much going out of a couples after tax income, it knocks the crap out of it. Screw that and we’re a lot better off financially because of it.

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  • Why is this even news? Huge proportions of the populations have eeked by on very low incomes for decades.
    Add to that those on very insecure incomes and those with high overheads and you’ve a lot of strugglers – that said, can we please stop pretending that nobody struggled during the so-called “celtic tiger”? I know I struggled to survive in the onslaught of soaring prices and high costs.

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    • Well said Laura.. Myself & my partner never saw anything of the Celtic tiger either.. Lots didn’t .. I earn €25000 per year and its only going down, not up.. My partner is now unemployed but looking… Hoping NOT to get sick any time soon…

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  • Without contrasting income to cost of living…such figures are pointless !
    No recovery is possible unless extra cash is put into all our pockets !!!

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  • These facts seem to escape the government. And when the other charges and taxes kick in are we supposed to do a Harry Potter with those bills?

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  • AND THE OTHER 67% WORK IN GOVERNMENT

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  • So I suspect that many people MUST have undeclared incomes also ?

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  • dont forgetthe single parent is only getting barely over 11,000 per annum

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  • So 67% of households have a income of €30,000. Any nation would take those stats.

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  • MBas 18/01/13 #

    Well the report only covers “recorded income”. I’m sure a large percentage of these lower income households have other income which isn’t recorded.

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    • What makes you so sure,have you carried out your own research?or did you hear from someone who’s friend does a few nixers on the side?

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    • One of the oldest urban myths.

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    • MBas 18/01/13 #

      I am merely saying that it is much more likely for income at the lower end to be under reported than over reported.
      From personal experience I would say that there are two things which are reasonably common in Ireland: those claiming sizeable benefits who also have an undeclared source of income, and those who are self employed who under report income to keep within a certain tax bracket.
      Of course, I could be mixing in the wrong circles and have no idea what I’m talking about.

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    • Exacty MBas. It is the working poor that are hiding all the money, they have the country broke with their 10 year old cars and holidays in Monte Carlo.

      Will you ever grow the feck up.

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    • MBas 18/01/13 #

      At what point did I say the working poor had the country broke?

      One thing I can say is that all people in this country can make a contribution towards improving the economy rather than blaming everything on the bankers/politicians/whatever.

      I’m not Irish, but have Irish children. I’m not entitled to any benefits and I have to survive without the safety net of social welfare. I find a way.

      You might not agree with me, but no need to insult me.

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  • I heard today about a job in the 20% section. BI style job

    DM me if you’re interested, and on twitter and following me and I’m following you … otherwise DMs don’t work.

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  • I suspect 70% of people posting here know someone fiddling the social welfare system or not paying their fair share of tax. And I’d say 99% of them do nothing about it. The state bill is wrongfully high and it is too comfy to be a social welfare scrounger. Only genuine cases should receive it.

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