FAGS

………………………..are awful expensive nowadays!!

Or Uganda.

…Or in Ireland just back to the 90′s.

Oh thank you for granting me less than equal rights John. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Forever grateful.

@John Treating people no different from me and you like second class citizens is discrimination and unfair, whether you want to admit it or not.

Jim, you missed my point. There’s not much left to keep marriage from becoming a joke of an institution. It’s been going down hill since divorce was legalised. This could be the final nail in the marriage coffin.

I know John, can’t they just be “thankful” that their not flogged anymore or executed……

“these people”

@John intolerant “people” should be satisfied with freedom of speech instead of desiring to impose their archaic ignorance on others.

@ John Duggan, either your tongue is firmly in cheek or else you hate gay people. I know which inference I am taking.

@John Oh, and gay people being allowed to marry will make marriage so much worse. Kim Kardashian got divorced after a few months. If you don’t want to get married to another man, then don’t, but some people do.

Well, regardless of your disenfranchised view, the whole of society would never allow this in Ireland. Marriage still means something to us, and is not some bargaining chip to be used for political gain in the appeasement of some special interest group.

Ah john fuggof and keep out of people sex lives

@John. Jim didnt miss your point, or anyone else. They just don’t care as it’s a minority piece of crap view.

John aren’t you a supporter of Sinn Fein? They support gay marriage from my understanding while the DUP and UUP don’t…..

@John Stop being a count. A huge majority of people under 50 support gay marriage here. It’s only a matter of time.

I’d suggest that you yourself are a member of a special interest group, John Duggan, one that has caused more damage then any other to this country and its people and that has an increasingly poor grasp on reality, especially if they honestly believe that most Irish people are against marriage equality.
Marriage is an institution about protecting families and couples and when Ireland introduces marriage equality, it will be an insititution that protects all families and couples.
If you believe that homosexuality is wrong John, then don’t have a sexual relationship with another man, and if you believe that same sex marriage is wrong then don’t marry another man but these families, some of the most loving and devoted in Ireland deserve for their partners and children to be protected by the rights and privilages of the institute of civil marriage.

A minority view is a piece of crap? I’m sure the blacks thought as much when they were enslaved and again when they couldn’t vote. Their views were pieces of crap? Quite the ignorant comment.

I’m not opposed to the concept of LBGT, but when such a relationship is placed, legally, on an equal footing as the one I cherish with my beloved wife, I have a problem. They are intrinsically different.

You being full of crap was clearly the implication John, not even remotely convincing trolling.

Well, John. If you have kids and one of them is gay, I hope you can explain to him or her why they deserve to be afforded less rights than you.

@ Sean – Check my previous comments, for the most part they are well received. I am no troll, I just deviate in opinion from the majority of commentators are certain issued, this being case and point.

And your attempts to discredit my arguments and opinions by insinuating they are designed to be inflammatory and provocative are pathetic.

So basically John, you’re a straight supremacist.
You believe that the love for have for your wife and the love you have for your children is superior to the love a gay man has for his husband and for this children.
Seems you have no problem with LGBT people as long as we stay in our place, OK, I’m sure no other group has ever held such views towards a minority, no “Klan” of people so to speak.

Graham the problem is John thinks people “become” or “convert” to become LGBT.

You would have preferred two people who hate each other to stay together ?? Make their lives and the lives of the people around them hell ?? Jesus dude your a piece of work !!

@ Graham – Not less rights, just different, special ones. And quite frankly I couldn’t care if they were all gay, once they were happy. That doesn’t mean I support marriage equality – they can’t be equal as the parts and capabilities are not equal.

You’ll soon get nippy swimming against that tide John – best of luck!

@John, curious to know which capabilities you’re talking about?

John your twitter updates reveal that you are actually trolling.

So many anti-marriage equality arguments remind me of ‘The Help’. Do you remember when a particularly pleasant white woman proclaimed that white people and black people were “equal, but different”?

So it equal with condition’s John ?

John, how do you know the relationship between two people of the same gender is different from the relationship that you and your wife have. For that matter, how do you know the relationship you and your wife have is the same as the relationship that any other husband and wife have?

And what capabilities do gay couples lack? If you’re going to say it’s being able to raise a family, I hate to tell you, but gay couples have been managing to do that without your approval for some time now.

Gay couples can be every bit the equal of any husband and wife in terms of being committed spouses and dedicated parents. Why want to deny them the opportunity to have the proper legal protections that only marriage can bring those families?

That’s fooking brilliant

Don’t bother replying to him. He needs to wean himself of trolling for his own welfare. I think we all know who I’m on about.

“Different” rights? How does that work? Like “different” gravity and “different” laws of physics? Rights and rights, that’s the whole bloody point.

Rights ARE rights, not “and”. Angry typing….

John, I think quickie marriages in las Vegas are doing that just fine. Along with heterosexuals cheating on their respective others.

Don’t bother replying to John Duggan, he’s simply trolling for a reaction. As you can see from his twitter a/c:

“John Duggan ‏@JohnDug16686182
@G******G****** Your a disgrace! Sleeping till 5 or whatever. Check out this, trolling the gays http://www.thejournal.ie/britain-vote-same-sex-marriage-784046-Feb2013/#comment-913836 ….”

Also…

“John Duggan ‏@JohnDug16686182
@G******G****** Also the magdalenes ppl, http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-magdalene-laundries-apology-783527-Feb2013/#comments …”

John, I understand where ur coming from, but I personally am more worried about gay couples adopting children to be honest. Thats where I draw the line. Give them a cookie abd theyl want a glass of milk with it. Still though defo support gay marriage. Why not.

First you say marriage is becoming a joke then you value it. What is it John make up your mind

We will have to export our gays to England, its the only answer lol

Yu’p John just like we do with our women who need abortion even for medical reasons, ah ya gotta love our little island!

Karolyn I couldn’t have said it better myself !!!

Actually more Tories voted against the bill than for it. Cameron failed to get his own party to back it. Thankfully all the other parties (apart from the DUP) saw sense and voted in favour.

His government still passed it. Though it doesn’t look great for the Torries. Sometimes they really just should realise when they are on the wrong side of a debate and amend their position accordingly.

Speaking of Labour Parties, when is our own going to live up to their election promises and extend the rights and protects of marriage to LGBT people and their families?

When is our Labour party going to fulfil any of the promises they made prior to the election?

You get what you want and you still whinge.

No we just want credit where it’s due, whole supportive of the legislation but congratulating a party where the majority voted against the provision and attacking one who almost universally supported it on the sole reason that one is a partner of the government is ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is that Labour had 13 long years of power in which they could have presented this legislation and they utterly failed to do so.

Mr Cameron has been there less than 3 years.

Maybe you could get over your hatwed of the howwible Towies for 10 minutes.

I’m sorry but maybe you could get past your rose tinted glasses and hatred of labour!! In 1997 this was not even on the agenda!! When labour repealed section 28 the majority of which party opposed? When labour brought in civil partnership the same? This is the inevitable and right progression on from this.

I wouldn’t hold your breath on that one! Nothing happens in the Theocracy of Ireland without the Ayatollahs of the catholic taleban say so, at the moment their busy spinning the Magdalenes report whitewash, then there’s the abortion mis-information campaign to run but i’m sure they will get around to instructing th evarious puppets in the ‘Pope’s own stormtroopers party’ ie Fine Gael into rejecting any similar moves to the British parliament where it comes to gay marriage after all this is Ireland we are talking about.

Haha brilliant,in stiched laughin at that.funny cos its so true

John Waters is the worst by far. He is the most self-righteous, holier-than-thou, hypocritical pathetic excuse for a writer I’ve ever come across.

He writes for I don’t know how many papers, is always on the telly as though if he’s some renowned expert, and then has the audacity to complain about the lack of media plurality in Ireland, and how those who disagree with the liberals are silenced. If only… if only…!

A large minority of Conservatives supported the bill. Def. better than Conservatives in other Western countries when it comes to gay marriage.

True enough – took a lot of courage from Cameron to push this bill on. I’m not a fan of him, but it is certainly a step forward.

I agree. A lot of people although forget how many anti-LGBT people are on the far-left. A number of the anti-LGBT posters on this site, I know are very left-wing; having seen their comments on other articles.

“Opposition to gay marriage is intrinsically disordered.”

I’m robbing that! :)

Valera gave us Roman tyrants once we got rid of the ones across these isles. A lot of people forget the Roman Catholic Church ordered the English Crown in the 12th century to invade Ireland due to the rise of Celtic Christianity. The Irish at the time of the Protestant Reformation should have rejected the Roman Catholic Church along with the Church of England. They should have formed their own church like the Scots.

I wouldn’t be so sure. The young generation are liberal. You can’t help but be in favour of others’ rights when the Internet has gotten rid of the last bit of ignorance.

@ KEVIN.N: ‘They should have formed their own church like the Scots.’
You mean like when they formed their own government in 1922?
Yes, what a great success that’s been. Jobs for the boys, brown envelopes, incompetence and gombeenism equalling ninety years of stagnation culminating in a loss of independence once again.

Lol the internet is one of the best ways to make people extremely ignorant, while making them think they are the complete opposite. Goes both ways. We’re all ignorant to some extent anyway, some just more than others. Stupid is a better way to describe such people; as ignorant is simply just not knowing something.

John, let’s not overly dissect my point. My point was we shouldn’t trade one tyranny for another. British rule in Ireland was because of Celtic Christianity’s continuing distance of Roman Catholic doctrine/rule. I myself would have rather us never become Christian in the first place and retain are Celtic Paganism instead. The overall problem is clearly religion itself.

@Daniel R Damn right we are liberal! When it comes to the referendum on same sex marriages I shall vote yes with all my heart!! Unfortunately not all young people are open minded and liberal *cough YOUTH DEFENSE cough&

No one is homophobic, they are not afraid, they are just being kuntz

The one thing we can be sure of is that Labour won’t act until the pensions clear.
I’m sorry to say I voted for Labour and frankly I feel that they stabbed the LGBT community in the back when they allied with Fine Geal, they can talk the talk in Labour but when push comes to shove, they suffer from a distintive lack of courage.
I won’t be making the same mistake at the next general election.

To be honest, it would have been more palatable if they had said right at the start “We are not going to introduce SSM”. Obviously all the better were that statement in the affirmative.

This nonsense, of “Oh well we might, but it depends on what a selection of the population that wouldn’t be considered valid for a newspaper survey think first! So we’ll spend nearly half the life of the government before they get around to it, then if they say so, we’ll THINK about having a referendum. One which may not even be necessary and may fail since one coalition partner will, at best not even support it, at worst campaign against it.” That’s what gets me.

Well done UK. Now Enda & Eamon get cracking. The majority of Irish people support marriage equality. It costs nothing so no excuses.

You go girl

How many people have been beheaded, stoned to death, put on fire, shot in the head, castrated, mutilated, put in concentration camps, or had their throat slit for being heterosexual?

Enda is a gay dictator?!

You can express whatever opinion you want BP. But when you spout claptrap like same sex marriage attacks family and marriage (as you did in another comments section), expect to be challenged on it.

BTW, do you know how you can spot a homophobe? They’ll be the first to use the word. Usually in some kind of pre-emptive strike to make themselves look persecuted and demonised. I guess they know their arguments against same sex marriage don’t stand up to scrutiny, so they have to use strawman arguments.

@ Denis Lacey, just based on your remarks. By the way, it is not your fault that you suffer from this. You did ask and I merely answered. If you have taken offence that is regrettable and sadly may have derived from your own action.

Ter, you know you’re right, we should all follow the Bible because it’s the word of god.

The Bible says being gay is an abomination as such it must be wrong.

Of course it also says that anyone that works on a sunday should be put to death.

Oh, and it also says if my wife lied and she wasn’t a virgin she should also be put to death.

All in all the Bible makes loads of sense and very clearly we should lead our lives by it.

Also we can’t pick and choose the word of God, it’s all or nothing! So you can’t say putting someone to death is silly but then saying being gay is right.

Sadly ill be up for murder this Sunday when I start my killing spree for anyone I catch working!

/sarcasm

Great step forward for England, now can Ireland move forward please!

So are you.
You should reverse, the road you’re on is a cul-de-sac.

You obliviously know little about the Bible and if I wanted you to comment on what I put up I would ask you.Anyway an atheist would know this type of union isn’t right or anyone with one brain cell would,as far as the UK goes it’s not marriage that’s a sacrament.So a country who prides itself on the English language they don’t even know what the word marriage means.

@Ter. Why would that be? Are you scared of catching the gay?

Ter, you know the way there’s a ‘reply’ button underneath your comment? That means anyone is free to reply to your comment. Anyone. So why is this type of union ‘not right’?

You will find the relevant bible verses to back up that statement on here:
http://www.freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/74-barbara-g-walker/649-bible-morality-or-depravity.html

The Bible is no more credible than Harry Potter. You also learn more in reading Harry Potter.

Ter, marriage and unions have existed long before the Christian faith was even invented and long before the Bible was written, rewritten and rewritten again to suite the “modern” version you so know and love.

What I stated in my last post were nothing more the facts taken from the Bible, you should be well aware of them already I’m sure.

You can of course try belittle my comment, but you and I know I’m right.

The Bible is seen as the word of god, you can’t just pick and choose what words you choose to believe.

Your book has major flaws, just like the leadership of the church, you can try ignore them but they’ll never go away….

You either need to change with society or watch the faith you love so much die,

So your a Biblical scholar now I never realised so many intellectuals use the journal.

So now your a Biblical scholar never new so many intellectuals were on the journal

Scholar and Bible just don’t go together….the irony.

Blah blah bible blah.

“Hey Abraham”
“Yes God”
“Go kill your son”
“OK”
“C’mere Isaac”
“Daaaaaddddy!!”
“Woooooaaaahh there Abe, I was f***ing about with you, dude”
“Ah, God, yer such a kidder.”
“Can I get back to my lego now Dad?”
“Sure Isaac. Don’t tell your Mum about this”

Ter, are you somehow suggesting what I’ve stated is not in the Bible?

That’s upsetting that you’d question its contents, I think you just choose to pick what suits you.

Personally ill stick with the good book, the book that says cross dressers such as women that wear pants are an abomination……..

Oh, That must mean women wearing pants are as bad as those big bad evil gays.

Oh what a silly silly book, I suggest you go read it properly so you can learn just how silly it is.

Tell you what is very silly same sex marriage and if you cannot see that this is not right your not really in any position to extract or interpret anything because you don’t know what is just and right.

Tell you what is very silly same sex marriage and if you can not see that this is not right your not really in any position to extract or interpret anything because you don’t know what is just and right.

Ter, keep posting that comedy gold.

Personally I’m not a fan of that backward 1950s Catholic Ireland kind of feel, it’s not to my taste.

But hey its very retro and it seems to work for you,

I tell you what doesn’t go together two men and two women.

I tell you what doesn’t go together two men and two women

“Just and right”.
Oh the hilarity of it all.

I tell you what never should go together two men and two women

Barry that was one fine comment right there. Couldn’t have said it better.

http://www.alternet.org/story/155118/was_jesus_gay_probably/

Ter you don’t have to be a biblical scholar to know that eating shellfish is a sin according to the book on which you base your life. The book. On which you base your life!

Ter you are one step away from “Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve.” Comedy gold, my friend.

Ter, considering you think Ireland is also on a road to nowhere anytime this topic comes up, we’ll at least have company on the road.

But you needn’t worry. The sacrament of marriage is unchanged, as religions in England and Wales aren’t obliged to perform same sex marriages if they don’t want to. This legislation will only apply to civil marriages, which already differs from the religious definition.

I can lend a video that disproves your point. Two women and two men going together very well. I’ll wrap it brown paper so it doesn’t embarrass you in front to the neighbours…

I’d be very surprised if Ud get anyone to go with you full stop

Ter I’ll tell ya what doesn’t go together – you and spelling!

No, you’re most definitely a homophobe. Bigot too! I’ll quote a comment I noted on an earlier article, and suggest that when you say “gay marriage”, replace the ‘gay’ with ‘mixed-race’ and say what you wrote out above again. Shame will come to you in a few years when you realise that you were on the side that had a major deficiency of compassion towards your fellow man.

Has marriage always been between a man and a woman?
I think if you actually looked into it you would find that it has not..

Spot on Gareth, you’ve said all I was going to, to show just what a bigot this guy is

@ Denis Lacey, you asked if you are a homophobe. Yes, you are homophobe and a rather nasty one.

Semantics is not definition.

Homophobe because I disagree with you, Gareth? Don’t you really mean non-conformist? As I have pointed out before, the new-age flat-earthers are people like you who can only see their own point of view and are intolerant, disparaging and insulting toward any view that they consider incorrect. What if I’m right and you’re wrong? Are you a heterophobe and a bigot? How ridiculous does that sound? Disagreement wtih your view is not bigotry.As I’m in a modern minority, I rather feel I am ploughing a lonely furrow in standing up for my beliefs. This is how the gay rights campaigners must have felt 20 years ago.
Without the ridiculous agenda of redefining words and institutions that have stood the test of millennia.

Denis. Bigot: “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance” This is what you are.

The only thing that I am intolerant of is intolerance.

Peter maybe you would be so kind as to give us a true history of how the word homophobe came about
I.e george weinberg and the gay psychologist gregory herek.

How dare you compare yourself to the giants that earned us some of our most basic rights.
Harvey Milk took two rounds to the head from a Catholic bigot for fighting for his people to be free, my people were beaten in the streets protesting for their rights, our youth the victims of violence, bullying and emotional abuse for just being themselves, what is the worst any of you have had to sacrifice? Being called bigot and homophobe.
Your not a homophobe because you disagree with us, your a homophobe because you believe that our partners and families deserve less rights and protections then your own.

You probably are a homophobe Denis. You are definitely a bigot.

@ Sean Ryan, from Classical Greek. Homos or homoios, like or same. Phobe is fear. The combination, a coinage, is an irrational fear and dislike of gay people. It’s a well known phenomenon. No doubt you will find a more specialised meaning. Since Denis Lacey posed the question, you should ask him. I am sure he is very well acquainted with the meaning based on his personal condition.

Denis, just because something has always been done a certain way, doesn’t mean we can’t change it. By that thinking, we would never have used planes, because boats were how we always travelled. Or never have used computers, because pen and paper was how we always communicated.

Society changes and adapts, and this is one of those changes. If you have valid reasons for objecting to same sex marriage, then put them forward. But you can’t expect people to put equality on hold just because you’d prefer things stayed the way you liked them.

Heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual paedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.
The incidence of child sexual abuse by homosexuals in relation to their numbers in the general population is massively more than the incidence of child sexual abuse by heterosexual paedophiles.
Homosexual unions do not naturally produce offspring.
There are no historical records showing homosexual “marriage” was ever widely accepted anywhere.
Most of the world outside Europe & USA condemns homosexuality – most of the world has not been corrupted, sexualised and desensitised by mass media and agenda-driven campaigns.
The above point indicates that most of the world has not had its collective conscience calloused by relentless campaigning, sexualisation of children, constant image-blasting of sex and nudity in all media forms, undermining of traditional roles (men & women are equal and different), feminisation of boys, promotion of sex-without-consequences, to name but a few influences.
The consequences of our brave new Ireland? Highest suicide rate in Europe. Family breakdown on a massive scale. Civic unrest. Lack of respect for authority. Government (taxpayer) dependency from generation to generation …covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded…