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Central Bank governor believes there will be ‘permanent loan modifications’

Central Bank governor Patrick Honohan was before the Oireachtas Finance committee this afternoon.

Governor of the Central Bank of Ireland Patrick Honohan (file photo)
Governor of the Central Bank of Ireland Patrick Honohan (file photo)
Image: Mark Stedman/Photocall Ireland

THE GOVERNER OF The Central Bank, Patrick Honohan went before the Oireachtas Finance committee this afternoon.

While there to discuss Ireland’s current economic outlook, talk of promissory notes were first brought up by Honohan himself in his opening address.

Referring to the “interim solution” that was applied to the promissory note payment in March 2012, he said that there had been a “very intensive process of discussion and negotiation on this matter”.

“There is considerable goodwill from all interlocutors in this process,” Honohan said, before adding:

Nevertheless, it has not been easy to find a generally acceptable solution. Taking into account both the statutory position and wider policy stance of the ECB, an initiative of this type will be novel and as such challenging.

He made the point that these discussions would need to ensure that they would not take “other decision makers too far out of their comfort zone.”

Personal Insolvency Act

Labour TD and chair of the committee, Ciarán Lynch, opened the questioning by asking how the Central Bank would monitor how banks adhered to the Personal Insolvency Act (PIA) and help people to get our of their “dead-end situation”.

Believing the act to be something of a last resort, Honohan said that banks should continue to engage with customers as early as possible before any recourse using the legislation is required.

He did say, however, that banks should not just kick the can down the road and make temporary arrangements.

Believing that cases need to be treated by banks on a case-by-case basis, Honohan said that “clear operational policies” were needed, in order to allow the banks to use the information they have about borrowers and their mortgage situation, which they should then use to help group them into one of three categories: those who were in temporary mortgage arrears; those who, were they to gain employment, could get back on track after a number of months; and those who could not now rescue the situation, regardless of how their personal situation were to change.

We can’t take anyone’s constituents and deal with them one by one. That is the job of the banks. The PIA should put more pressure on them, in addition to the pressure that we are putting on them.

In response to a question by the Sinn Féin deputy leader May Lou McDonald on the topic of the act, Honohan said that the Central Bank backed the legislation and that lenders would need to as well.

The consequences of banks not delivering on this is that they will require more capital. They will lose out on this.

Where homeowners were concerned, Honohan believed that there would be “permanent loan modifications” made by banks.

Responding to a question from Independent TD Stephen Donnelly, he said that these would most fall into two categories – a reduction in the principal or a reduction in the interest.

He added that the Central Bank would not be happy with lenders that continued to apply temporary measures to borrowers when a permanent fix was required.

Property Tax

Fianna Fáil TD for Laois/Offaly, Sean Fleming, voiced concerns about the upcoming revaluation of homes in response to the property tax, and what discussions the Central Bank had had with individual lenders about the fact that this would set in stone the fact that houses would now be valued for less than what bank had on their books.

Responding, Honohan said:

We have not allowed the banks assume that the house prices were still worth what they were when they were issued. The Revenue Commissioners will not necessarily provide new information [when they revalue] that would alter our view as to the capital required by the banks.

Fleming wondered why this knowledge had not resulted in a write-down “trickling down” to homeowners.

Honohan said that the money which banks had been given “was for bank capital adequacy” and was “not there to be handed out of individual homeowners”

Promissory Note

Fine Gael’s Kieran O’Donnell asked how important a satisfactory outcome on the promissory note was for Ireland, to which Honohan said it was “very important” and that it was the primary domestic priority for the Central Bank.

Honohan was quick to stress that what the European Central Bank would most likely do would be to change the time period or the rates. “There will be no grant element,” he said.

Pearse Doherty of Sinn Féin said that in relation to the promissory note, what Irish people really wanted was their money back. “Do you see any situation where this debt will not be paid in any shape or form?” he asked.

“Not within the Central Bank system,” Honohan responded. “I’m personally responsible to make sure that money is paid.”

On the benefits of a promissory note redesign, Honohan said it would be advantageous to Ireland. “While it won’t change the debt on day one, it will allow a better path to paying the debt going forward,” he said.

Labour TD Kevin Humphreys wondered what the consequences for Ireland would be of simply not paying.

Responding, the Central Bank governor said that the ECB could “do things that would make us uncomfortable,” before adding that the news would be taken very badly by both the ECB and the international markets. He also said:

There are large sums of money being lent by the ECB at low interest rates. All of this could change if they wanted to, not that I am saying that they would. If you wanted to go through it blow by blow, the blows would be unpleasant.

Exiting the bailout programme

Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party wondered how realistic it was that Ireland would exit the current bailout programme by the end of the year.

In response, Honohan said that “at present, it looks likely”, adding: “That is the intention. That’s the plan. I think it’s credible.”

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Comments (22 Comments)

  • Another piece of jargon: ‘permanent loan modifications’ – nPLMs, another fiscal acronym for the airwaves to the detriment of our poor ears and bemused minds.

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    • PLMs…. don’t know where that stray ‘n’ came from!

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    • Another bit of Sh!t talk to try and keep the Irish Property Pozi scheme values afloat, so as to try and con people into continuing to pay dead end, doomed to fail, miss-sold Ponzi scheme mortgages.
      In Germany (supposedly one of the most stable/strongest economies in Europe) you can buy decent family homes for a fraction of the Irish Ponzi “values”.
      Even Burton is trying to keep the rent allowance high, so as to artificially prop up this false, farcical, property illusion.

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  • All money is created out of debt until this problem is solved we will go on borrowing to pay back loans,its total madness!

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  • Can someone explain why creditors took with what seems to be little fuss , a big hit on the mess that is Greece? Yet all we hear is that negations are ongoing in our own mess.

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  • PUT PEOPLE BEFORE BANKS AND AUSTERITY PEACEFUL PROTEST
    March 16th Dáil Éireann at 4pm
    Colour green

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  • So is Honohan effectively telling us its as Angela confirmed 6 months ago “Debt Sustainability”?

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  • How nice it is to see, against the backdrop of our economic bleakdom, Enda Kenny being nominated as European Of The Year: the political equivalent of a wayward child being awarded a sweet by the teacher for not peeing on the floor! Only in this case, Ang Merkel is the teacher, Kenny is the peeing child and we’re the f—ing sweet!

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  • The residential property market from 2000 onwards was a total scam! I bought before 2000 and I do not say this out of self interest. In Ireland, supply, demand, earnings, demographics and other factors were of lesser importance than the primary factor which was capacity to borrow.

    The residential property market was severely dysfunctional and corrupt in the sense that the market served the interests of bankers, developers and an inner circle of the privileged. It did not serve the interests of he ordinary inexpert and consumer buyer.

    Anyone who bought a house between 2000 and 2007 over purchased by a considerable multiple. They over paid for the benefit of he Government in transaction taxes, developers and the banks. They were well and truly scammed.

    Now the consequences of over borrowing cannot be ignored. Many loans are wholly unsustainable through no fault of the unfortunate buyers. They deserve redress. That redress practically, necessarily, unavoidably and desirably involves mortage debt attenuation in the form of permanent loan modification, an unemotive expression.

    Many borrowers who bought at the peak are simply unable to repay within the mortgage terms. Morally, they should not be required to pay in full, even if they could barely do so by extreme sacrifice, because the reality is that the Government, the Regulators, specifically the Central Bank of Ireland, the Department of Finance, the IBF and the relevant professional bodies collectively declined to blow the whistle on the ever increasing madness.

    Unless or until the mortgage default crisis and the associated problem of massive mortgage impairments is addressed, forget about the green shoots except in the cannabis grow houses.

    The can will not be kicked much further down the road.

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  • “People can afford to pay their debts ” another quote when asked on a look into mortgage writedown..

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  • Simple solution on the Promissory note….extend the due date. The whole promissory note vehicle was a construct to bend the rules to save european banks from collapse. We can push back the due dates 100 years if we like without causing a credit event.

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  • All money is created out of debt until this problem is solved we will keep borrowing to pay back loans! Total madness!!

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  • Consideration should be given to creating a short term window, where investors can draw down on current pension fund values without penalties if used to clear mortgages. This would resolve short term problems for investor allowing them move on, help banks recoup funds and generate sales in property market. Win win I feel

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    • An ordinary referendum may take place when a proposal contained in a Bill is determined to be of such national importance that the will of the people thereon ought to be ascertained. No ordinary referendum has taken place up to the present.
      We need a say on this
      Maybe the journal could help the people out, from what i gather you need a third of the dail and half the seanad,
      you could even start a petition and see how many people would like to have a say on the matter

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    • Sorry john that should have been a stand alone comment.
      your idea is radical id like to hear more

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    • Frank thanks for your comment. simply put there are many people with mortgage difficulties be it residential or investor but who equally have money tied up in pension funds. This can’t be drawn down until they reach either 60 or 65 years of age otherwise they pay full tax on it now. I suggest they be allowed draw down pension funds now for a specific period of time, let’s say twelve months, with no penalties once it is used for mortgage purposes only. Radical yes but we need a few bold initiatives. I can’t see a down side once it is for a defined period and for a defined purpose. The outcome would allow people move on with their lives, banks recoup their loans and stimulate some property transactions. I feel this is a relatively simple measure with positive outcomes.

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    • Certainly one worth thinking about John excellent post
      Galbraith said
      “When faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.”
      we have to explore new solutions

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  • As long as he gets big euros its tough shit on the peasants

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  • Dr.fury 16/01/13 #

    I still don’t know what a tracker mortgage is

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  • We may as well just phuck all our money in the fire! I’d actually rather do that at this stage than keep giving it to the elite. Burn the revenue down!

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