People elected that pig with lipstick in a poke.

You will NEVER remove the corrupt parasites from power and stop unconstitutional inevitably catastrophic practices just by the using the ballot box that they stuff with votes purchased with your earnings. You are going to have to get dirty if you want to fix this mess. This is a social, economic, political and governmental cancer – ending it requires surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy – not wishful thinking, placebo meds, and “let’s wait and see what happens” therapy.

That’s aside from the matter. She should not be calling for legislation without the true facts around the halapannavar case being known! Its unprofessional.

Conor, this legislation existed before Ms Halapannavar’s case.

@Conor . This is not about one case ! It’s about the right to make a free choice without being forced to travel abroad!

Have you noticed that Enda appears to stop and think in between each word when talking.. so frustrating to listen to, and he still ends up talking nonsense.

Its as though he has only recently leaned the language..

Oh Creamy, are you only coming to this realisation now?

@Creamy well the majority of Irish people disagreed with you when they elected them in a landslide. Democracy at work.

@James if legislation was already in before Savita’s death then why is everyone banging on about bringing in legislation now?

@The Oracle elected in a landslide, maybe.. but when you have a choice between chimps and orang utans why would that matter?

You voted for them

If people didn’t want Fine Gael (or labour) in power they shouldn’t have voted for them in their droves (which they did). There are always other options independents etc or you can go and spoil your vote.

@ Oracle the legislation from Daly was voted down by government in April of this year. Who knows if it had been passed we would never have heard of Savita….

It’s been 20 years waiting, and people were ‘banging on’ about this legislation in April. Kindly inform yourself before making statements.

That was my reaction too. They were either absent or couldn’t make up their minds (which is what they’re paid to do). Disgrace of the highest order.

People gave too much power to the conservatives (FG & FF). Now women’s rights are stifled by these same neo-cons in power. A lesson needs to be learned by the voters next time…

Everyone needs to grab a conservative and throw them of a cliff. This will solve two problems. We will help the conservatives to reduce their carbon foot print to “0″ and we will also be rid of them !

So Joe the looney left is now advocating the murder of conservatives for holding a different opinion to your crew? Suppose it makes a change from wanting innocent babies murdered.

Hey Joe, this ain’t the USA

Conservatives = Retards

re·tard 1 (r-tärd)
v. re·tard·ed, re·tard·ing, re·tards
v.tr.
To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede.
v.intr.
To be delayed.
n.
1. A slowing down or hindering of progress; a delay.

Terrible Mary. Its shameful we cant look after our own citizens in this country. We really are an export country. We even export our reponsibilities. We need to mature as a nation. I have 2 daughters & this lack of maturity makes me concerned about their future.

So Mary if the legislation had been voted in would all 4,000 of those women been able to abort their babies here? I don’t think so because their lives obviously weren’t at risk, they were traveling to avail of abortion on demand because the child they were carrying was an inconvenience.

It must be great Oracle to be so sure of your facts. Do you know what a non viable pregnancy is? Do you think couples who find out that their wished for baby has a huge defect and will not live beyond birth or may die in the womb should be forced to go full term or should they be allowed the option to terminate or abort (if you prefer that term) in their own country? Sweeping statement to claim all 4000 who travelled to England did so because being pregnant “was an inconvenience” unless you have access to all 4000 medical notes on the possible outcomes for the foetus, which I doubt.

Catholic control over the masses, fear is a stick to keep the sheep in their place!! it will take the next generation to make the changes which allows Ireland to be part of the World in which most of us live.
the people of Ireland should never ever give up fighting for their rights.
I love my country but at times I find it hard to understand.

People don’t love this country anymore. Kenny has made sure of that. Time to riot.

My the kick the Catholic Church brigade are having a ball,the pro-abortionists got a kick in the nuts and about time,calling for the death sentence of the unborn. Strange that some living folk can not see the the unborn have THEIR rights to a life. Do any of them cry tears for the thousands of women in India who die every year in dirty hospitals! i doubt not. Stranger that these lefties are always crying equal rights but prepared to deny the unborn theirs.

We voted the FG/Lab coalition in with the “Pencil Revolution” and when their time comes up again, the voter’s mark will send them out. Have to admit, totally dis-illusioned with this government…so much was promised to change but so little has changed.

i accept some of d blame,i voted them n thinkin they might b different…turns out no matter what party they’re n,they’re all d same…only interested n their own paycheck and staying n long enough to get their pension…they are all a disgrace!

But who do you vote for next? FF again? SF? More ineffectual independents?

that’s exactly my point,damned if we do,damned if we don’t!!! up shit creak with no viable improved option n sight…it’s effin depressing!

They are named – go to next article!

Reasons? simple, some people still believe that abortion is murder plain and simple.No matter how the pro- abortionists wrap it up it is an attack on the unborn. What a sad wee Island we are becoming when the Living believe that to have rights equates to murdering the unborn,Sad.

Sums her up quiet nicely buddy .

Democratic country my a**e.
We only get to exercise democracy during elections and referendum and even then we’re asked to vote for the most appealing liar.
Once we “democratically” elect these superstitious old men our involvement is finished, they become immune to scrutiny, answerable to no-one and we become invisible.

What has devout Catholic got to do with it Veronica? in these strange days the vast majority of people still value the life of the unborn. As for the Catholic Church ruining this great country i find this comment very strange, when our English masters denied us education it was the Church who provided education. Coming from up North i find some of these remarks very childish ,come in to the 21st century and fight for all rights especially the unborn.

I know my comment won’t be popular, but I do feel that if we need to step back and all try and really educate ourselves on the surrounding facts. It isn’t a simple topic, and all the information in the media recently has been very emotive and has largely come from family members as opposed to medical professionals. I also feel that the idea of pro choice is very valuable, but the current “pro-choice” argument ignores the choice of the unborn child. There is no medical certainty on when the fetus actually becomes sentient, so the state does have an obligation to protect the rights of those who do not have a voice. If we can prove that before a certain stage of development, beyond doubt, the fetus has no ability to experience pain, or anything at all, then perhaps it’s plausible to say that the choice that’s relevant is only the mother’s, but until that stage we cannot have a debate on outright abortion. We have legislation relating to cases where the mother’s life is in danger, and this is all ethical, but the practicalities of this legislation means that medical practitioners feel that it’s too difficult to make a decision to terminate without potentially losing their ability to practice their chosen profession if they have made a minor error in judgement. This is the legislation that needs to be amended. We don’t need anything beyond this. We don’t need anything more. We don’t need to follow the example of the US, UK or otherwise. We just need to make it real and practical.

Mike El. You’re right, your comment is not popular.

Should I not express it knowing that it won’t be popular? I’m sure the fact that I’m male and I’m expressing an opinion on this doesn’t help my popularity. :)

Mike El,
Perhaps it would interest you to know that the relevant parts of the foetus’ brain to accommodate the processing of pain or to become conscious do not link up until around week 20. Prior to this the foetus is neither sentient nor able to feel pain.

Complete rubbish http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp#What%20of%20The%20Silent%20Scream?

Read them both and don’t assume I am anti abortion I just hate people who Jump into a conversation with complete tripe. Read the facts.

What, like these ones?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

Maybe you should read that one yourself

I guess the point I’m making is that there’s no real proof either way as to when the being becomes sentient. There are medical opinions based on empirical observations from a limited perspective. If we chose to gather enough opinion for one side or the other and then legislate based on medical opinion and no real knowledge, then we are only really weighing up opinion based on which side we prefer as opposed to really wanting to know what the reality truly is. If this is what people want in society, no doubt this is what will come about, but I think I would prefer to live in a society where we make decisions based on the truth of the matter and until we really know the truth of the matter, ie when sentience occurs, it would be humane to air on the side of caution. That’s just my opinion though, and I’m just one person.

@ Mike El the original bill as put forward by Daly was last April so considering the “exception” as you call it was not even pregnant at that time I’d say you have the wrong end of the stick. Consider this if Daly’s bill had been passed in April none of us would have heard of the “exception”…..

You’re right Dee, that paper concluded that the pathways were not formed until later than I stated, they were putting forth 23-26 weeks. They also argued that the true experience of “pain” might not truly exist until after birth.. I got my numbers mixed up, but I did put it at an earlier point (out of regard for the one baby delivered at 21.5weeks that survived, albeit with a LOT of help).

I’m sorry, I don’t follow. Could you expand?

@ Kerry. Sorry Kerry, that was directed at you. I’m not sure I follow your point? I don’t disagree with legislation being refined to make it more practical for doctors etc, so that things like this are prevented, if possible. I’m not sure this bill was actually proposing this. That said, I have not read the details of the bills. I am assuming that it was not passed as the proposed legislation was not prepared in conjunction with all the various stakeholders, ie no attempt was made to involve all parties in the formulation of such. It being voted against was no doubt a political move in some instances to allow the ruling party to have more control over the content of such, which believe it or not, is actually their obligation as they have a mandate from us the people. Of course, this is just speculation on my behalf, and we are really getting into the realm of conjecture and assumption, as we don’t actually know the facts of the most recent case.

@magoo short sighted , Yes !!

Easy on the old red thumb button Aoife,hardly that many people read the article,

Short sighted would be voting for a bill on protecting the life of a mother during pregnancy before the facts of an expert report on the topic is published and debated.

I’m not sure what you’re suggesting Paul, but I haven’t pressed the red thumb button – and if I had, I would only have been able to once, not 150 times, just like the rest of the commenters.
Thanks
Aoife

Magoo by name and nature!

Paul Darby – STFU.

Thats soooo not true Aoife,everyone knows that you can red thumb more than once and delete comments for no good reason.

Go back to back to bed wayne,what a lame name. : )

It’s quite easy to knock up the red thumbs with a little cache clearing. That’s the only reason half of these comments are thumbed down. Most people in this country are against abortion in any shape or form.

Waterford Hotels- the majority of the citizens in this country for FOR abortion in the case of the life of the mother being in jeopardy, we had a referendum 20 years ago. We voted to legislate for it. We said yes.

The government are the ones holding things up all this time.