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Explainer: Does Dublin need a directly-elected mayor and how likely is it?

It has been suggested for years, it even came close to happening two years ago but what chance a Boris Johnson or a Micheal Bloomberg for Dublin and Ireland’s other cities. TheJournal.ie investigates…

FOR MANY YEARS it has been suggested the Dublin needs an elected mayor.

Just as London has Boris Johnson and New York has Michael Bloomberg, our own capital should have a figurehead who could have control over the city’s affairs.

“It is required. All great cities have a mayor,” environment minister John Gormley declared in early 2010, promising an election for a mayor of Dublin in the autumn of that year. But come the autumn, and then the winter of 2010, Ireland had far bigger concerns than an elected mayor for its capital. A bailout was on the cards.

Though legislation got before the Dáil and indeed all the way to committee stage in November of 2010 – the same month that the bailout was agreed – the Local Government (Mayor and Regional Authority of Dublin) Bill 2010 was scrapped by the current government when it came to power in March 2011 and since then we have heard little of the possibility of it happening.

But does Dublin need an elected mayor? If it does, what kind of powers would one have? Could Ireland’s other cities have such a figurehead? And what hope for any legislation that would provide for one being resurrected? TheJournal.ie explores…

Why does Dublin need an elected mayor?

Various public figures including the last environment minister and former Green Party leader John Gormley believed it was an idea that would have a very practical benefit for the people of Dublin if it were to happen.

Back when the legislation was in the offing in early 2010, the government at the time felt that schemes that Dubliners enjoy now, such as Bike to Work or Dublin Bikes, would have come on-stream – to use the jargon – more quickly had there been an elected mayor.

Systems such as the Dublin Bus app or the Real Time Information Service at bus stops would also have been more quickly and more efficiently set up. Rather than such issues being controlled by central government they would be the responsibility of a directly-elected mayor who would have the power to prioritise funding and push an agenda for the benefit of the city.

Current Lord Mayor of Dublin and prominent supporter of the elected mayor idea, Andrew Montague, explains: “Our current system is so cumbersome that people disengage from local politics, it’s very hard for them to influence what’s going on.

Councillors have very little executive power. They have influence but no executive power and city managers aren’t elected so it’s very difficult for public to have an influence. It’s poor democracy. At the moment the vast majority of people don’t have a clue who I am, they don’t know who they’re city manager is either.

“With a new system, you would have a directly-elected mayor every five years and if the public don’t like him or her they can vote him or her out of office or they can vote to keep him in if he or she is doing a good job.”

Montague believes that if the city had a figurehead – a Boris or a Bloomberg – it would also be beneficial in areas such as planning across the Dublin region, not just at a local council level where decisions can be taken to the detriment of other areas of the city. He cited the construction of Dundrum Town Centre as being detrimental to the city centre, particularly areas like Grafton Street.

An elected-mayor could also promote the city to outside organisations who want to host events in the city or to promote the city to tourists, Montague believes. A mayor needs to be in place for longer than the current one-year term, argues the Labour Party councillor: “You need to build up relationships. We’re not getting maximum value in terms of promoting our city.”

What kind of powers would they have?

The current programme for government makes no specific commitment to establishing an elected mayoral system in Dublin but does include a pledge to reform and develop local government which includes the merging of authorities in Limerick and Tipperary, and the merging of Waterford City and County councils – proposals that are both well under way.

The only solid proposal to actually establish the office of an elected mayor in Dublin was contained in the Fianna Fáil/Green Party programme for government hammered out in 2007 which committed to holding an election for such an office. This commitment was maintained in the renewed programme for government in October 2009 which said that an election would be held the following year.

The idea was seen as a particular pet project of Gormley who eventually brought forward legislation to provide for an elected mayor in the capital in 2010. The law as drafted provides the clearest indication of what kind of powers the office would have. The mayor would hold some executive powers in areas such as housing, waste management and water services, they would also chair the Dublin Transport Authority.

In January 2010, Environment Minister John Gormley said that the mayoral election would take place within six months, a measure which would “raise the profile of Dublin, enhance local democracy and accountability, and lead the provision of a more effective and integrated public service across the city and region”.

The Labour Party councillor Dermot Looney has done an excellent job in summarising just what an elected mayor for Dublin would do in this post on DublinObserver.com in September 2010, a recommended read for anyone who is really interested in the nitty gritty of the role.

But broadly, the law provided for the establishment of a Regional Authority of Dublin (RAD) which would have 16 members including the Mayor who would act as its chair. Also on the authority would be the four chairs of the local authorities i.e. the Lord Mayor of Dublin City Council, the Mayors of South Dublin and Fingal County Councils, and the Cathaoirleach of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council. There would be five other members of the RAD who would be appointed from Dublin City Council, and two each from South Dublin, Fingal and Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County councils.

The RAD and therefore its chair, the elected mayor, would have influence in five main areas including the general functions of the office, planning guidelines, waste management services, water services and housing. There would also be some control over aspects of transport and enterprise in the region.

Unlike, for example the Mayor of London, there was no provision for the mayor’s involvement in areas such as policing, health, and education and there would be no independent budget. A mayor would operate under existing budgets that current councils operate under but it was envisioned that the overall budget would be increased with the implementation of property and water charges. Most important, it was the belief that an elected mayor could prioritise funding where it was needed.

As well as this, a chief executive would be appointed who would act as a ‘super manager’ that could be hired and, if necessary, fired by the mayor. But this would only be with the consent of the Minister of Environment.

What about our other cities? Limerick, Galway, Waterford and Cork?

Though the proposed legislation only provided for a mayor in Dublin, it was Gormley’s hope that such an idea could also work in Limerick, his party colleague Dan Boyle went further in 2009 suggesting that such an office could be set up in the country’s four other cities.

“I am open to contesting any future elections that might happen in the cities of Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford, which will follow under subsequent legislation,” he told the Seanad, appearing to throw his hat in the ring for any future elections in other parts of the country. What chance that now, we wonder?

It’s unlikely we’d have a mayor in Limerick for example before there would be one in Dublin. Ultimately, it would most likely be a case of seeing whether the experiment worked in the capital before allowing for it to set up in other cities.

Lord Mayor Montague believes that the issue of planning in and around cities makes an elected mayor just as appropriate in other parts of the country: “There is a need for stronger regional planning, he said. “Limerick would be a great example of where a mayor could have a powerful role and work well.”

But, presumably not everyone thinks this is a great idea?

Certainly not. The specific legislation came at time when the country was in great economic turmoil in the aftermath of the bank guarantee and austerity budgets. It’s fair to say the vocal Fine Gael and Labour opposition did not think that the unpopular government of the day should be prioritising the election of a mayor in Dublin when there were more pressing matters.

“This Bill is a sham and a distraction brought into the House at this time to distract people from other issues and direct them to something which they can say is wonderful and could be good for the country,” Fine Gael TD Bernard Durkan told the Dáil in November 2010 as the legislation was being debated.

“It is not good if this Bill is going to be railroaded through just to keep the Green Party in the Government and at the expense of local democracy,” Joanna Tuffy, Labour, said during the same debate.

Legitimate concerns were raised about the bill, it was not just obstructed because of the unpopularity of the government. On the face of it some would say this proposed law did not go far enough in giving real power to a mayor, equally at the other end of the spectrum some argued that it was just another layer of bureaucracy in already bloated local authority.

Fundamentally, it would have been another politician and politicians aren’t popular. This was about creating another position for a politician and that undoubtedly was one barrier to it happening particularly at that time when the government’s popularity was as low as it was.

Speaking to TheJournal.ie former environment minister John Gormley outlined another reason: “I don’t think they (Labour and Fine Gael) were enthusiastic about. It wasn’t going to cost the money they claimed. It was about €5 million or €6 million, so it was a relatively small amount of money but they had already made out that this was going to cost the taxpayer a fortune.”

There were also indications that Fianna Fáil were not full on board with the idea. This was very much a Green Party proposal, a concession perhaps to the junior coalition partner. Polls apparently showed no Fianna Fáil candidate could win any election leading the party to never really consider the idea before it went into government with the Greens.

Gormley’s bill got to committee stage but in the same month as it was being debated in the Dáil, the government was dealing with the ongoing talk that the country would need a bailout and so it transpired before the month was out. The Bill was put on hold as the Greens pulled out of government and the current administration scrapped it when they came to power in March 2011.

So what hope for having an elected mayor now?

As mentioned, there are no firm proposals for a law to bring about an elected mayor in Dublin or any other city at present. Last month, Environment Minister Phil Hogan told the Dáil that directly elected mayors would be considered in the context of the reform of local government but no conclusions had yet been reached.

Montague hopes that the Minister will make his intentions clear before the summer recess in mid-July: “I hope directly elected mayors is part of what he is proposing but it remains to be seen,” he said, adding that he would be “very interested” in running for the position.

For Gormley, he is in no doubt that one is needed and thinks that eventually the city of Dublin and possibly the country’s other cities will have a directly-elected mayor.

“Cities that work well have got mayors,” he told TheJournal.ie this week. “This city is just lacking coordination in so many areas. It is just mind boggling at times, the two Luas lines are not connected, the sewage treatment plant debacle, the incinerator contract debacle…

“There is no political oversight in this city. The way it is structured you’ve got a city manager who is accountable to nobody. We’ve got a major problem. Until the whole issue of accountability and responsibility is sorted we’re going to have a city that doesn’t work.”

Poll: Do you want to have directly-elected mayors in Ireland?


Poll Results:

No, not at all (155)
Yes, in all Ireland's cities (150)
Yes, in Dublin only (131)
Don't know (23)

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    Mar 17th 2017, 8:33 AM

    Were the Americans not spying on Merkel and other European leaders quite recently, but we are to believe they would not spy on each other. And if he does have the Russian connections the Democrats claim, then why were they not keeping a tab on his conversations?

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    Mar 17th 2017, 8:46 AM

    @Paul Fahey: True, but should there not be some semblance of proof (or at least someone inside or outside the administration who agrees) before an accusation is made?

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    Mar 17th 2017, 8:53 AM

    @Kevin McDonnell: I agree, but the greatest indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour and the US and the UK have a history of keeping very close tabs on business men with political inclinations. The US even kept tabs on Lennon and Dylan, because of paranoia about Russia and communists so why not Trump. Ultimately, I don’t care if they did or didn’t, but I am one to the idea that they would.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:06 AM

    Can’t spy on your own without a fisa warrant which must be got from a judge. Anyway the almost daily lies told has seriously damaged the credibility of that office.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:11 AM

    I feel greatly comforted that the opinion of the new US administration is so reliant on Fox News.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:04 AM

    So let’s get this straight – the same White House that is continually going on about ‘fake news’ is now citing a random Fox News report as “evidence”. Bizarre times indeed….

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:16 AM

    To summarize: When the Trump administration says British spies were involved in spying on Trump it is ridiculous. When Buzfeed and CNN run with a story from work by a former British spy it is credulous. When the MSM were attacking Trump it was useful to say there were wiretaps on Trump. When the MSM are attacking Trump it is useful to say there is no evidence for wiretaps.

    MSM have no credibility. They are partisan. They are biased. Reporting is selective to push agendas. Thejournal is very much up to it’s eyeballs like the rest of the MSM in this. Attack article after attack article on Trump and right wingers.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:44 AM

    Zzzzz you would be in favour of trump pulling your healthcare and giving billionaires massive tax cuts and destroying environmental agency’s tasked with keeping your country and air clean. You have it nice sitting in your little Irish pedestal cacooned from this man’s ridiculous decisions spurred on by your ultra white wing tendencies . Well done you.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 10:28 AM

    @Mike: I would myself and many on here would consider me a “Right of Center Conservative”. I have no love for the Political Left. But Trump has gone beyond Left-Right Politics and has entered the realm of insanity. He makes wild and unsubstantiated claims that the Security Services are out to get him. It was he began the war with the media. It is he that thinks the Office Of President sets him above the Law and gives him the powers of an absolute Monarch to govern as he sees fit. His underlings like himself have been caught lying multiple times. And when taken to task for those lies have referred to them as “Alternative Facts”. He has made open and undisputed promises to the American People and then turned around and told them he didn’t mean it. Prime example is the Wall with Mexico. He said they would pay for it. Now he say the American Taxpayer has to pay. He said about the Oil Pipeline. It would be built with from Pipes made of American Steel. Now he says he didn’t mean that Pipeline (which will use pipes from China). He said he would stop Islamic Terrorism coming to America by Banning certain countries. And he can’t even get that right (Twice). He claimed he would unite all Americans. It hasn’t been this divided since the civil war. He has insulted practically all the US’s allies and praised many of its enemies.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 10:39 AM

    @Mick Jordan: I find myself on the opposite side of the political spectrum to you. Despite this, I absolutely agree with all you just said. Trump is a nut and is bloody dangerous no matter which way you approach it. The Republicans are slowly beginning to realise they’ve got a tiger by the tail with no safe way to let go.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 12:29 PM

    @scoop delivery: Looks like you choose to miss my point. This article is calling Trumps accusations of spying on him as ridiculous. Seeing as you don’t challenge my assertions I say you concede their merits.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 12:47 PM

    @Mick Jordan: It feels a bit condescending for me to say but you seem to have missed my point. The MSM are saying that it is ridiculous for Trump to claim that he was under state surveillance while also saying earlier that he was under surveillance. There are dozens or articles in the MSM with writing about intercepted communications with Trump and his associates, intelligence services investigating Trump and his associates etc. Here is an example on nytimes.com

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

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    Mar 17th 2017, 1:31 PM

    @Mike: But yet when pressed to produce any evidence to back up his claim we get “Well I didn’t mean they literally eavesdropped on me” And when pressed even more he comes out with an even more outrageous claim that it was the US allies that were spying on him on the Democrat’s behalf. He complains about the MSM using “unverified sources” but yet praises Breitbart and Fox and takes stories from them as gospel. The nature of a Free Media is to ask awkward questions. To push and probe a governments/political leaders actions. With Trumps narcissistic tenancies, he can’t abide having his actions or his motives questioned by anyone. He needs the constant adoration that these media outlets seem to provide. He looks a Putin and his total and unquestioned control of the Media, Judiciary and Parliament and like a spoilt child wants it too.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 2:00 PM

    And now we see the White House making a formal apology to the UK Government of the accusation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/

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    Mar 17th 2017, 4:54 PM

    @Mick Jordan: WTF? Do you not get that you are hardly alone in hating Trump? I get it, I hear it day in day out. I’m talking about the media trying to have it both ways, that is all. Do you understand that? You don’t have to educate everyone to what a narcissistic moron Trump is, at every opportunity.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:02 AM

    GCHQ great bunch of lads spying on every form of communication, and every individual available communication since the 1840s! They have had numerous rebranding over the years!

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:04 AM

    This is getting utterly ridiculous now. With no evidence to prove his allegation against US Intelligence he is now trying to blame Allied Intelligence Agencies but again without a single shred of evidence to the contrary. A Paranoid Narcissist.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 8:48 AM

    As he was President Elect this accusation would mean GCHQ were neddling in the American election. So why, anyway, did Trump blame Obama? Obama was in cahoots with the British to frustrate his election…..?……which never happened or failed?! Can The Donald get any more bizarre in his twittering? What a dope!

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    Mar 17th 2017, 8:45 AM

    Trump is a bozo and he makes things up he is dangerous

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:08 AM

    True. I’m starting to think he is incredibly smart. Well to make billions even as a millionaire is smart going but he must know what he can and can’t be sued on. I’ll throw this out there and see if it sticks gecause it can have zero legal comeback on me and my idiot supporters will gelieve anything.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:11 AM

    Also interesting I saw a friend post to Facebook about an encounter yesterday in ny state. Store employee was saying the news of a big snowstorm to last was a mainstream media lie and because it didn’t last the media were trying to cover up their first lie. Seriously, that country is in bother.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 10:31 AM

    We have the journal issuing “weather alerts” and scary storm stories every week of winter, most of which just resembles wintry weather. Sensationalising the banal is also fake news

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    Mar 17th 2017, 8:39 AM

    Wonder when the movie comes out

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:55 AM

    He’s really starting to reach a Howard Hughes level of irrationality and paranoia ain’t he…

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    Mar 17th 2017, 9:10 AM

    Why is their building the shape of an eye ?

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    Mar 17th 2017, 10:34 AM

    I’m seeing doughnut

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    Mar 17th 2017, 10:34 AM

    It’s based in Skye, the architect liked puns so it’s the eye in the Skye, it can see everything

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    Mar 17th 2017, 11:31 AM

    MSM are no longer ‘news’ agencies! They are propaganda vehicles for the dissemination of skewed and slanted views solely dependant on the political/ economic of the controlling owners of those vehicles.
    Just have a look at who really controls our MSM!!!!

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    Mar 17th 2017, 2:31 PM

    @M Bowe: Trump and Murdoch are very good friends apparently that’s why he’s so fond of Fox News.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 10:32 AM

    It’s official, A lunatic has taken over the asylum and his patients follow him.

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    Mar 17th 2017, 10:44 AM

    Well if they did, They certainly wouldn’t admit it…

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    Mar 17th 2017, 2:05 PM

    trump is a loony, plain and simple

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