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Guantanamo judge orders US to stop censoring 9/11 hearings

Judge James Pohl says the government cannot remotely censor pre-trial hearings for the suspects of the 9/11 attacks.

A courtroom sketch drawn on Monday shows five 9/11 attend a hearing on pre-trial motions at the Guantanamo Bay US Naval Base in Cuba.
A courtroom sketch drawn on Monday shows five 9/11 attend a hearing on pre-trial motions at the Guantanamo Bay US Naval Base in Cuba.
Image: Janet Hamlin/AP

A MILITARY JUDGE has ordered the US government to stop censoring September 11 pre-trial hearings from outside his courtroom.

Judge James Pohl said the government must “disconnect the outside feed or ability to suspend the broadcast” from outside his court.

Proceedings in the pre-trial hearings are broadcast to a press room, and in a room where human rights groups and victims families can observe proceedings, but only with a 40 second delay so that a security officer sitting next to the judge can block anything deemed classified.

The ruling today means censoring can go on, but it cannot be activated from outside the courtroom.

Thursday was the last day of the latest session of pre-trial hearings. The five defendants, including self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, were not present.

On Monday part of the proceedings were censored when the discussion touched on secret CIA prisons where the suspects were held and abused.

The judge said he was surprised and angry that the censoring mechanism was activated from outside the court, without his knowledge.

This must stop, Pohl said, adding that “the judge and only the judge” can decide what happens in his courtroom.

The 9/11 trial at Guantanamo Bay, on the south-eastern tip of Cuba, is not expected to start for at least a year.

The five men accused of plotting the suicide airliner attacks against the Twin Towers and the Pentagon face the death penalty if convicted. The attacks left nearly 3,000 people dead.

- © AFP, 2012

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Comments (52 Comments)

  • you swear they have something to hide

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  • Why are they censoring the pre-trials? What don’t they want us to know?

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    • That elements in the Bush administration were complicit in the 9/11 attacks. They had prior knowledge of specific attacks from jet liners and Bin Laden aand NYC. That they were warned by many Countries about in regard to the coming attacks, yet, took no preventative measures. On the contrary, they made it easier for the attacks to take place.

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    • Dave their is one word that is never used and i dare use it on here so i’l code it Nora with a D.

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    • At least they were able to find the intact passport of one of the hijackers amongst the rubble of Ground Zero.. Amazing detective work..

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    • Yes truly amazing sherlock holmes,poirot,columbo all would have been very proud !!!

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    • Dora the explorer ?

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    • Jamie, the military judge says that they can’t censor it.

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    • I wanna know what the story was with building 7..

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    • but Declan, they were censoring it before the judge became aware of it, and as the article states ” the ruling today means censoring can go on..”

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    • The third tower was where all the heating fuel for the entire complex was stored. When the first towers collapsed in flames that fuel ignited too causing the steel frame to soften and fail in the same way , when the firemen saw this was about to happen they got out ,(pulled the plug) is the term used in the building trade when you can’t do any more to fix a situation, you pull the plug turn everything off and go home for the day. Simple as that.

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    • Er, building 6 and 5 are in between the two towers and building 7. Building 7 imploded like a controlled demolition several hours after the other two fell..

      It’s not mentioned once in the official report. Where did you get that explanation John?

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    • Not to mention the fact that the BBC news reported it 20 mins before it actually happened! Search for the video and you’ll see the reporter telling us about the third building collapsing while its stood behind her. Then, conveniently the feed is lost and the anchor just carries on.

      In addition, regarding David Icke, if you take the time to listen to him 95% of what he says makes a lot of sense, but it’s only the other 5% of crap that gets remembered. Is the queen a lizard? Probably not.
      Is the world corrupt and are we lied to daily? I’d bet my life we are.

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  • Secret CIA prisons ?? I thought that was a conspiracy theory ?

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    • Julie 31/01/13 #

      A lot of these things that are labeled as conspiracy theories are in fact true, look into it, David icke etc

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    • Julie 31/01/13 #

      Check out this video on YouTube:

      http://youtu.be/gV9A2IGShuk

      Explains a lot ! WATCH

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    • Seen it. And everything else by Icke. :)

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    • David Icke. The guy who believes a race of reptiles rule the earth? And are behind everything bad in the world? Seems reasonable.

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    • Icke, is that the same guy who says the British Queen is an alien lizard?

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    • Half of Earths population believe there is a giant man living in the clouds who watches every move you make, who knows every thought in your head, who requires you to go to a church and give him money. If you dont obey him you go down to hell where you burn in fire eternally.

      But hey, just because people believe in this, does not take from any other beliefs they may have nor does it dscredit any other information they may have.

      Grow up.

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    • Barry & Leigh,

      Do you want some ointment for those burns?

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    • DublinLad, such was the severity of that burn, I fear I man never leave the burn ward.

      So David Icke’s belief that the New World Order, controlled by a race of humanoid reptiles from another planet in the 4th dimension and who were secretly behind the 9/11 attacks (via the CIA?) no way invalidates his belief that it wasn’t just a bunch of pissed of fundamentalist Islamists?

      I always find it odd how people can have such a low opinion of the people in the intelligence agencies ie prior knowledge of the attacks and and allowing it to happen whilst simultaneously believing having such a high opinion of them ie that they secretly masterminded the whole thing.

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    • David, I don’t have faith in anyone else’s beliefs because beliefs are not equatable to facts. Whether they believe in the big bearded man or in the alien lizards I judge them all as ridiculous.

      Now excuse me while I go sacrifice a bull to Odin.

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    • Cant believe you missed such an obvious point. Let me make it a little more simple for you.
      It is stupid to define people by their beliefs, weather they be ghosts, fairys, aliens, gods, little green men, the devil etc etc. More or less everyone velieves in one or the other.
      So for example when Peter said he saw a man get beat up at the shops today… I dont say “is this the same peter the one who said he saw a ghost 15 years ago ??” chuckle chuckle dont i sound clever.
      There are probably more people who believe in Reptilians, than who dont believe in any of the above, not to mention the billions who believe in the man in the sky.
      You are the odd one out Barry. So dont be such a miserable sod by judging others beliefs, certainly while you are the minority. Just makes you look weak, especialy since you had nothing else to add to the discussion.

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    • Ok, I get it. You believe the world is run by alien reptilians. Good luck with that.

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    • @David, If someone’s beliefs taint their perception of reality, their knowledge of reality is jeopardized. If Icke believes lizards are at the centre of the current world order, then his beliefs definitely taint he’s political knowledge.

      I’d advise being skeptical and thoroughly researching every political claim he makes.

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    • Wow, you really are incredibly stupid. Good luck with that.

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    • C’mon like… You’re the one who believes that alien reptilians rule the world!

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    • No I’m not. You assume that because I’m ok with others believing that, that I believe that. I’ts simply your stupidity playing tricks on you.

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    • Ha. Looking back over your comments it’s pretty plain that you do believe what Icke says and were trying to defend it. Now you look like a fool so you deny it. And resorting to ad-hominem attacks makes it seem like I’m cutting close to the bone :)

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    • Another assumtion. Looking back its clear that I choose not to judge others by their beliefs, thats all.
      Isnt is kinda hypocritical to lecture me about ad-hominem attacks while using one on me ? Lol. Gawd, you really are that stupud.

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    • So if someone believes that the Earth is ruled by reptilian aliens we should respect their belief? Should we respect the beliefs of the Sharia Law promoting Islamists? Or should we respect the beliefs of neo-Nazis?

      And I didn’t use an ad-hominem attack on you. If I had said ‘you are a fool’ because i couldn’t make a valid counterpoint from then yes I would have used an ad-hominem attack. But I said ‘what you are saying makes you look like a fool’ which is different because it’s an observation of why you changed your stance in this debate.

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    • I didnt say respect their beliefs, I suggested you shouldnt judge people based on their beliefs. Two very different things. For example, if you google “crazy people who have changed the world”. You will find many cases of presumed “crazy” based on their beliefs or actions, who have advanced the human race in many ways.
      Which brings us full circle. Dont right people off based on their beliefs. Its stupid and you could well end up with egg on your stupid face. :)

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    • Beliefs are taken on faith. Faith is illogical. Of course people are going to be judged on their beliefs. Do you not judge Islamic Militants and Nazis on their beliefs?

      And again with the ‘stupid’ insults. The moment you resort to personal attacks you lose. Debating 101. This is how you look in a discussion when you resort to personal insults:

      “hurr durr ur stoopid hurr” *drool*

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  • This is the first decent thing I’ve heard relating to the Guantanamo case to date. And the fact that the jail has not been closed is an immeasurable disgrace. I’m with Barry on this one, my love affair with the states ended long ago when seriously poor judgement, foreign policy decayed what little respect I had for the once ‘great’ US

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  • It’s only a matter of time before one of the great deceptions is brought out into the light.A judge with integrity a breath of fresh air.

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  • B Lowe 31/01/13 #

    Many major news organisations call some forms of government repressive, unrepresentative and autocratic. Yet America is called the leader of the free world and protector of human rights.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. American has committed untold of human rights abuses and abducted and killed people worldwide based on assumptions.

    It is a testament to the power of propaganda that people believe the US is a country the world can look up to.

    You wouldn’t treat a dog the way America has treated the inmates of Guantanamo Bay.

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    • At least there are toilets in gitmo. Can you say that about mount joy and the report that came out last year about slopping out?

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    • Really declan is that the best you do !! Do they have waterboarding and other forms of torture in mountjoy? Free bradley manning now!!!

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    • Declan no one hates America or Americans peoples of the world have serious issues with the regime going on there it is corrupt it is destabilizing the entire world with its empire mentality. Maurice Green said they will never allow another country become greater than America again and all industries should be pulled down leveled and given back to nature.Whacky stuff and not good for us consumer containers as they like to call us.They wont be getting rid of me without my permission no way.

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    • B Lowe, you are greatly exaggerating the conditions at Gitmo. Just the other day I was listening to a report on the radio about the prison. Obama wanted to close it down but it has become a slow process to do just that. The US wants to release the majority of those people but no country wants them. Repeat “No Country Wants Them”! The rest are seen as guilty with regards to 9/11, but of course in your mind that event did not happen- you said so yourself.
      As for the conditions inside the prison I don’t know. I do know that the US spent millions of dollars cleaning the place up before the prisoners arrived.
      I wonder what prisons look like in the Middle East, North Korea, Cuba and some of your other fave destinations.

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    • It’s a pity that such a one time great country has been reduced to a fascist imperialist state. I used to be in love with the USA as a kid. I thought it was the pinnacle of civilisation. But it’s been hijacked and destroyed from within. It’s like the transition of the Roman Empire from the Principate to the Dominate.

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    • That stuff about closing Guantanamo was Obamas equivalent of the 5 Point Plan from Fine Gael. It was pre election talk – no intentions of it actually happening..
      Obama has merely continued Bush’s policies and expanded some – for example, American soldiers have to be ready to fire on their own people as the Patriot Act has been widened to include US citizens (even Bush promised no American citizen would be detained under the Patriot Act), it was snuck in alongside a bill designed to ensure the defence forces got paid (remember that episode of the Simpsons where it explained how they sneak these things in on other more popular bills?) check out the NDAA, signed over NYE while everyone was nice and distracted.. Yeah, Obama is continuity Bush (and possibly worse), same way FG are continuity FF with some worse elements..

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    • Where would we be with out b lowe and the anti american anti jewish rant :) any topic on middle east your gonna see his poisonous comments.

      Don’t like america? Simple don’t go there, ever. I’m sure by you staying in ireland they will be so distressed forigen policy will change. I’m sure your 9/11 theories and all that fill you with that self important smuggness.

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    • Barry can I ask how old are you? Just loving america as a kid. Think we all did but remember nixon? I’m too young for that but those like him and bush always been there. Just it goes in circles. America can’t stop another country becoming as powerful or more powerful. China is example.

      Bush ran up huge debt thanks too fighting two wars. One just one holy unjust. Obama had inherited a huge mess from bush. I think he will set country on right track as their domestic economy is starting to power up.

      As for obama and stone strikes. Brilliant, more of them please. Highly effective and scares the hell out of the taliban. No difference between getting wiped out by a hellfire from drone or from f18 except no airmen in danger and the drone does,not tire. Shows those who murder schoolgirls for going to school that they can be dispatched by a joystick in america.

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    • Barry, I heard that same sentiment from someone who said that the US was not the same country she believed in.
      However there has always been criticism of the US and probably in every decade of its existence.
      So can you tell me when you loved America?

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  • There’s a reason why its taken eleven years to get this far: These blokes weren’t responsible for 911. It takes a long time to fit up some Afghanis for a crime committed by Americans and Israelis.

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