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‘Investment needed’ in frontline social welfare staff

Unemployed people’s representative body claims misinformation is being provided by some social welfare offices – while some unemployed jobseekers tell TheJournal.ie their stories of dealing with the under-pressure social system.

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WITH IRELAND’S UNEMPLOYMENT rate at 14.8 per cent Social Welfare offices are under pressure.

The Irish National Organisation for the Unemployed (INOU) is calling for more investment into frontline staff due to many jobseekers saying they are getting mixed messages when they visit their local office.

Speaking to TheJournal.ie, a spokesperson for the INOU said “it really does seem to vary depending on who they meet and how well informed they are. We would have concerns about frontline staff and the inconsistencies there. These people are dealing with the public and their questions on a daily basis and in terms of the government having a focus to encourage unemployed people to take up training courses, education as well as returning to work, that job demands a certain competency”.

Last month 460,323 people signing on the Live Register. A number of unemployed people told TheJournal.ie they had received mixed messages, misinformation and delays from their local social welfare offices. For reasons of privacy, many wished to stay anonymous.

Personal Experience

‘Joyce’ from Arklow is a Special Needs Assistant. She says that during the summer months she is entitled to seek social welfare. “I am back next week and my claim is still being processed. I will be back to work and still not have been paid for the entire summer.”

Suzanne from Dublin is a former solicitor. She recently attended the Springboard Roadshow with hopes to sign up to a new course. Speaking to TheJournal.ie she said she was told that as she had her own business she was actually ‘unemployed’ and not eligible to take up one of the courses.

When I first went to my local social welfare office, I was told a multitude of things from different people. No one seemed to be able to give me a straight answer. I had come across the Springboard programme and thought it might suit me to do a course in entrepreneurship so that I could develop my business idea. I was told that as I was previously self-employed I am not eligible to join the programme. I said I would come along today anyway, so I asked again, and it turns out I am eligible. All these mixed messages are not good.

I could have gone home and decided to just leave it and not double-check. It is very concerning that the staff who are on the front line dealing with unemployed people and advising them for that matter, do not have the facts straight.

Kathleen from Dublin, who has her own business said “it was like getting blood out of a stone” when her daughter was trying to sign on.

She had previously been employed with me in my business for a short period while she was in college. When she signed on she filled in the section that asks what her parents were employed as – she filled in directors of their own company. Due to the fact that she had a short stint working with me for a summer, the local social welfare office had issues with her claim. We called every week to see what the delay was, until eventually someone in the office said they had referred her case to an investigating officer so as to establish she was not a director of the company.

Fifteen weeks after her claim, she had still not received a penny and I was supporting her. I informed the social welfare office that if they wanted to check that she was not a director of the company all they had to do was check the Companies Registration Office. A week later the social welfare office called and asked could we fax over out company registration document. That was all it took – two minutes to send a fax over – and it was dealt with.  It was as if they had no clue how to process a claim. She was just lucky she did not have a mortgage or family to support.

John from Wexford has a college degree but has found it impossible to find work. “I decided to stop wasting my time here and to go abroad to look for work”. John said that he had heard “through the grapevine” that he might be able to get his Jobseeker’s Benefit while he was looking for employment abroad.

When I went down to the social welfare office I was told I would have to give up my social welfare if I left Ireland, but when I called in again another day and talked to another person in the office I found out you’re allowed claim your social welfare in another EU state while you look for work there. I got the feeling they didn’t particularly like me knowing that.

Under limited situations Jobseeker’s Benefit can be transferred to another EU member state for up to 13 weeks (78 days), if you are looking for work there. You must be getting Jobseeker’s Benefit for 4 weeks before you can transfer it to another member state.

Disincentive to work

Maura from Wicklow has been unemployed for over a year. She said it took her long enough to get her claim dealt with but this summer she was lucky to get some some work teaching foreign students for two weeks. She did the honorable thing and told the social welfare of her casual work. “I was told there was no problem, that I could just sign back on when it was over and there would be no delay,” she said.

When I finished up teaching I went back down, thinking that there would be no issue. They handed me a repeat claim form and I told them that I had been told that I would not have to do this all again. The week later there was no word, so I called back down again. They told me that as I was living at home with my parents I would have to be means tested. This they said could take a number of weeks as someone would have to call ou ot my house. I was furious. I could have easily just collected my dole and got paid, but I had decided to be honest.

After much kicking and screaming I remembered the name of the manager in the office and I demanded to speak to her. She processed my claim there and then stating that as I was over 25-years-old I actually didn’t need to be means tested at all. It is these kind of inconsistencies that make people cheat the system.

Maura said she was offered another two weeks’ casual work in August but said she was dubious about even telling the social welfare. “I eventually asked for the manager directly and made her promise that I would not have to wait. This is not the way things should be done,” she said.

Front line training

A spokesperson for the INOU said they receive calls regularly with people telling them that they have heard different things from different people in the social welfare system. “We had one gentleman who was told that he was not eligible to take up a training course due to a course that he had done previous some years back but it really should not have been taken into consideration. He thankfully has had it sorted out and is happy on his new course – but this is just one example.”

She added that staff need to be trained in dealing with people from different backgrounds. No longer are the unemployed one section of society or from one jobs sector. She said:

There are a variety of backgrounds to deal with and the staff need to have the capacity to assess prior skills of people and know how these skills can be used in a certain sector. There has been an issue that service is geared towards a certain set of presumptions about what people are unemployed that simply don’t stack up anymore. Reform and training is needed to ensure that they are the best people for the job and can equipped to get people back to work.
We feel if the State is pushing people  to reconsider re-training and changing careers we need a  service that ensures they can recognise people’s skill sets.

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Comments (14 Comments)

  • I would also like to hear more from the front line staff on this issue. I ‘heard’ that if you are a public servant applying to redeploy, you are nearly always invariably asked to go to social welfare. Just how understaffed are they?
    Undoubtedly, those redeployed are coming from a completely different area of experience and with no funding or time for training, this problem is unsurprising.

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  • siobeli 25/08/12 #

    In my job, I deal a lot with sw offices and to be fair it’s not front line staff fault. I recall being there with a client and the sw staff I spoke to didn’t know anything about a particular payment and they has been transferred from the pensions section a week earlier and given no training-he was so frustrated himself.
    As always those at the top make decisions without a thought for those on the ground having to deal with upset people who are in a vulnerable position in their lives.

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  • I’ve heard loads of horror stories from different individuals in regards to social welfare, but I’ve had absolutely no issues with them whatsoever. My dealings were mostly with people in the Swords office, and without exception, I found all members of staff to be fantastic to deal with. They gave me some great advice that ultimately got me back into the workforce. 10/10

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  • An Investment of 30 billion would put 400,000 people back to work tomorrow with a gross wage of €25,000 for three years, building infrastructure, hospitals, schools, public services, research, IT, manufacturing, tourism, anything we need?. Three years of work would yield taxes innovation and reinvigorate the economy. We can pay bond holders 30 billion in a day why cant (wont?) we put our country back to work??.

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  • I find one of the biggest problems is person A telling you you are entitled to something and giving you a date to go to hatch x, when you show up at hatch x person B tells you you’re not entitled to that something but person A is not held accountable for their mistake. More training is certainly needed because people are at the mercy of their whims. Fortunately I have only had to sign on once nearly 2 years ago and in relation to one part of my claim the person behind the counter suggested something and I said “Can I do that?” and her response was “It depends how nice to me you are” and she was being serious. It’s like some of them go power mad or something!

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  • When I went to sign on the website told me what to bring and I brought it all. He handed me a form and said “come back tomorrow”. I said I had everything now I would bring back tomorrow but I was told that was how it was done. So home I went , 30kms and back again the next day(lost my company car so on a bus). The same guy took the forms and said”you’ll hear from someone soon”. That was it, why they couldn’t do that day one. Oh and asking me for proof of job seeking 36hours after losing my job is a bit cheeky as well. Why you don’t get paid for the first few days is weird as well, surely a recently unemployed person needs the money so why delete the first few days.

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    • im not sure why you lose the first 3 days but it seems to be the norm on any social welfare claim like unemployment, injury benefit etc. always wondered why that was, I’m sure theres sn explanation

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  • Perhaps the best investment we could make for the unemployed, would be to recruit emigration advisors. No future emerging here.

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  • There does need to be better training for the staff that deal with the public. I do not know how the present staff cope with the volume of work they have to deal with. I have always found the staff to be extremely polite and helpful.

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    • Few social welfare officers are just brillant,the rest think your there to rob them,so they can be very nasty and control freaks….and the funny this is they only got that job cos of the huge unemployment in this country…

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    • sack them and get in New staff because to be honest if they can’t be arsed to fully understand there job by now what’s the point in keeping them wasting time and money and in a year they are back to the old ways

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    • Vinnie you obviously do not appreciate what the job entails just as you obviously do not understand the difference between ‘their’ and ‘there’.

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    • here we go such a hard job they have bla bla bla nobody cares they do sweet f**k all open 9:30-12:30 and 2-4:30 not even putting in a full day..usually when the only thing someone can say about a comment is if its written properly means they either have no real backing in their opinion or they are just a idiot…ps predictive text on a great new invention called a “smartphone” dosn always work

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  • The system is a joke, I have a friend who is unemployed since may. He went into the office and ‘signed on’ two weeks after he lost his job. THIS WAS IN MAY, it took them 5 weeks to confirm receipt of the claim, a further 3 weeks to send a letter for him to be means tested, then, up until Thursday this week to tell him his claims rejected as he cannot provide proof of means…….THE GUY IS UNEMPLOYED AND NOT ABLE TO CLAIM BENEFITS, WHAT FECKIN MEANS COULD HE POSSIBLY HAVE!!! He provided all the relevant paperwork, bank statements etc when asked. He has had to borrow money to survive since may! Also now he has a solicitors letter sent to him as a company is chasing payment of a bill that he hasn’t got the means to pay!!!! JOKE!!!! Oh and because his claims rejected, his supplementary allowance has stopped. ( received 96.50 a week ) and that’s due to be repayed!!!

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