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Mali Islamists stone unmarried couple to death

Makli’s interim president is calling for decisive action to to be taken against the extremists that are dividing the country.

Traore says decisive action must be taken against jihadists
Traore says decisive action must be taken against jihadists
Image: Harouna Traore/AP/Press Association Images

ISLAMISTS IN NORTHERN Mali have stoned an unmarried couple to death, the first reported sharia killing since they occupied the area, ratcheting up pressure on an embattled interim government.

The execution came as interim President Dioncounda Traore finalised a unity government which foreign partners have demanded be formed by Tuesday to take decisive action against the jihadists who have cleaved the nation in two.

As politicians grappled for solutions in Bamako and west African capitals, the Al-Qaeda linked Islamists grew bolder, dragging a rural couple to the centre of the town of Aguelhok Sunday for a public stoning.

Couple had two children

“I was there. The Islamists took the unmarried couple to the centre of Aguelhok. The couple was placed in two holes and the Islamists stoned them to death,” said a local government official on condition of anonymity.

“The woman fainted after the first few blows,” he said, adding that the man had shouted out once and then fallen silent.

A second official confirmed the information, saying the couple had two children the youngest of which was six months old.

“They were living in the bush, they were brought to town by the Islamists who stoned them to death. People came out to watch, there were witnesses,” he said, also not wishing to be identified.

The small town in the region of Kidal near the Algerian border was one of the first to be captured by Tuareg separatist rebels on 24 January.

Some 82 civilians and soldiers were summarily executed during the attack, France said earlier this year, accusing the rebels of using Al-Qaeda style tactics.

Ancient World Heritage sites destroyed

The Tuareg rebellion sparked a March coup by angry and overwhelmed soldiers, but the chaos only allowed the desert nomads and Islamists fighting on their flanks to seize the country’s north, an area larger than France.

The Islamist groups, which experts say are acting under the aegis of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) have since chased out the Tuareg separatists and are firmly in control.

In Timbuktu, they have also implemented strict Islamic law and destroyed ancient World Heritage sites which they consider idolatrous.

Once one of the region’s stable democracies, Mali has crumbled into despair in half a year and the interim government which took over from the junta has been powerless in the face of the jihadist occupation.

The Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) wants to send a 3,000-strong military force to Mali but is waiting for United Nations approval and a formal request from a more inclusive government.

Traore on Sunday announced the creation of new bodies tasked with ending the crisis.

In a televised address to the nation, he announced he would be in charge of a High Council of State, lead talks for a unity government himself and create a committee to negotiate with the Islamists.

“Mali will not collapse,” Traore said several times during his speech.

Unity government

ECOWAS had ordered the authorities to form a unity government by 31 July or face sanctions but it reacted positively to Traore’s latest measures Monday and said the deadline would be extended.

The 70-year-old was appointed in April as a junta led by Captain Amadou Sanogo which ousted the regime of Amadou Toumani Toure on March 22 handed power to a civilian transition government.

However on May 21 a mob of protesters stormed his office and beat him savagely. He returned Friday from France where he has been recovering since.

The High Council of State is designed to “complete the country’s institutional architecture” and “adapt it to socio-political realities.”

It will be made up of the interim president and two vice-presidents, one of whom will be in charge of defence and security and handling the crisis in the north. The other will represent the various non-political forces in Mali.

Diarra pushed aside

Traore also announced that “neither the president, nor the prime minister, nor the ministers, can run in the next presidential election.”

Some observers saw the announcements as a sign Prime Minister Cheick Modibo Diarra was being pushed aside, after key political parties called for his resignation, accusing him of “incompetence and amateurishness”

“It is clear that with the new team, the prime minister’s powers are really reduced,” Malian sociologist Mamadou Diarra told AFP.

However Communications Minister Hamadoun Toure said this was a “false reading” of the president’s speech.

Prime Minister Diarra, who has worked for NASA and was also the Microsoft chairman for Africa, is also seen as too close to the former putschists led by Sanogo.

- © AFP, 2012

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Comments (43 Comments)

  • How sad, I dread to think what happened to the children.

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  • Medival relics……shame on them

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  • Sad, to think that any god would condone this, sad to think any such god would have followers to believe it. Round them up and shoot them dead. Tell them 72virgins will be waiting on the other side of a bullet

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    • Show me where in the Qur’an that stoning is permitted.
      Quote me a verse please.

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    • Paul 31/07/12 #

      The Quran is the primary but not the only book in Islam, there’s also the Hadith and parts of the Bible.

      From religioustolerance.org

      Chapter 24 of Islam’s holy book, the Qur’an, explicitly instructs believers to whip those found guilty of adultery. A leading Muslim scholar, Maulana Muhammad Ali noted that “stoning to death was never contemplated by Islam as a punishment for adultery.” Roman Catholic Archbishop of Lagos, Dr. Anthony Olubunmi Okogie, said that the “official text of the Qur’an only sanctions a punishment of so many lashes for such an offence not stoning to death…[the] punishment of stoning was introduced later by Omar, the second Calif for reasons best known to him.” 6 Many Muslim scholars and judges agree that the Qur’an does not refer to executions by stoning. “…the Islamic legal scholar Tarik Abdul-Rahman states they are part of the Hadith (collections of sayings and acts of the Prophet), and go back to the Pentateuch (first five books of Hebrew Scripture).” 7 Execution by stoning is thus in harmony with the 613 laws which make up the Mosaic code in the Bible.

      Massoud Shadjareh, of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, opposes stoning sentences. He urges other Muslim leaders to speak out against them. Otherwise, he fears that what he calls an inhumane brand of Islamic law will take root in Nigeria. Shadjareh said:
      “Shariah has been translated to be harsh, extreme treatment — it isn’t.” He argues that amputations and stonings are supposed to be used only as a last resort, and only within those Islamic societies that have eliminated poverty and corruption. Neither condition has yet been achieved, either in Nigeria or in other countries where stoning is practiced. 13

      Some interesting details associated with Sharia law:

      Under the form of Sharia law that is practiced in Sudan, “the stones thrown during the execution should not be so large that the offender dies after a few strikes, nor so small as to fail to cause serious injury.” 7
      A conviction normally requires a minimum of four witnesses who directly observed the sexual activity at the same time, or a freely-given confession by the defendant. However, as noted below, the former requirement is not always followed. If the woman is pregnant and either unmarried or divorced, she may be assumed to be guilty, if she is tried under the conservative Maliki Law School form of Sharia. 8
      Under “an obscure tenet of Islamic law,…an embryo can ‘sleep’ for years before swelling a woman’s belly.” 9 Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband.
      Problems sometimes arise when an unmarried or divorced woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. Some Sharia courts do not recognize DNA testing or the evaluation of possible paternity by other blood tests. The case often results in a “she-said, he said” situation. Sometimes, the alleged rapist is found not-guilty because his involvement cannot be proven. But if an unmarried woman becomes pregnant, she can be assumed to be guilty of extra-marital sexual activity and can be executed. If she claims that she was raped and is unable to prove her case, then she will probably receive severe punishment, because she would be assumed guilty of making a false accusation.
      Sharia law is only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are supposed to be exempt from the provisions of the law — a provision that is ignored in the Sudan.

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    • @Paul

      I know the Hadiths are a part of Islam, but keep in mind that there are strong hadiths (verified as being said by the prophet Muhammad) and weak hadiths (somebody is quoting somebody who was there when he said it) and fabricated hadiths – largely ignored.

      My point is that it is not the religious text giving the instructions but the culture of the people living in the area, but of course most people here just jump on the chance to demonize religion as usual.

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  • Unbelievable

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  • I bet they feel like big powerful men having to make the harsh decision to kill those people .

    total pschopaths hiding behind religion .

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    • Nellysroom, I disagree with you these are not psychopaths hiding behind religion but Religion turning people into savage murderers. Ask any Islamic “scholar” and they will tell you what the punishment for adultery is according to the sharia.

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  • Religion sucks….killing people like this is just wrong in every way…

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  • More savagery inspired by religion.

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  • Ah yes another beautiful act in the name of god and religion.

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    • Rocco is just getting his kicks from getting readers to rise to his bait. Snuff videos are not interesting viewing. They are on the contrary a sad reflection of the desensitisation and disconnection created by the Internet. A stoning might be a lot less interesting if the victim was your child and you were standing close by. Rocco needs a few weeks in Mali away from from his screen and popcorn

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  • I cannot believe Rocco that you condone these savage acts and believe that we should respect their beliefs…how can someone respect the belief of a culture who doesn’t understand basic human rights and has destroyed not only two innocent lives but the lives of their two children who now have to suffer and live under Islamic beliefs. There is no hope for them now.

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  • Absolutely disgusting! The poor couple! All this in the name of religion? No God would want this, really sad and again what will happen to the kids, oh what a crazy and sad world we live in!

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  • I’m sorry but at this stage I ignore Rocco because nearly every story has some troll from him, he’s just a stirrer

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  • Unspeakable atrocity.

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  • @Dom Morgan Do you not think that most comments about the execution of corrupt bankers was more sarcasm that belief that the bankers should be excucated.

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  • Although never ending in being stoned to death, this country and the Catholic church could never claim to have been very liberal in the past about fairly similar issues- best for a woman to be trapped in an abusive relationship other than suffer the shame of ending her marriage, better to lock a young mother up simply for having a child out of wedlock..how quick we forget the devastation and harm dished out by our own ‘civilised’ institutions, not so long ago… And we still think we are so much more civilised than other parts of the world.

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  • It would seem Journal.ie don’t want to hear comments by Muslims judging by the deletions we’ve experienced.

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  • Well, on the page with the story about the Iranians executing bankers for fraud, there were comments about ‘respecting the culture’ which were well received by the audience. So this doesn’t count any more?

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  • Rocco’s entries on this thread seem more sarcastic than most comments on the planned execution of bankers in Iran and yet he is met with outrage while the sarcasm on the other thread is acceptable. I can’t see a reason why this Mali couple should receive a preferential treatment.

    Bottom line I think most people are full of shit. They are ‘outraged’ by medieval savages for about three minutes and then they continue eating their dinners. None of them have ever been within 200 miles from a shit hole like Mali and this is why they are outraged because good people of Mali have not been informed that we are in 21st century.

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  • OK – as the above comment has remained I’ll now comment further. In Islam the societal crime of adultery, much like homosexuality, rape etc is a heinous crime in that it serves to undermine the cohesive moral nature of society. As a deterrent, the sunnah requires that the guilty party or parties be put to death by stoning in public. The punishment is extreme, graphic and horrendous but is justifiable if one considers the crime in the same light. We do!

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  • Rocco 30/07/12 #

    You can see these videos online from time to time. Makes interesting viewing.

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    • Rocco you are a disrespectful troll pathetic if you find the slaughter of innocent people interesting

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    • Rocco 30/07/12 #

      Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Remove your head from the sand and you might realise bad stuff happens in the world. We have to respect these foreign cultures and the way they treat their criminals. Only earlier on this website a lot of people were calling for the public execution of bankers on another story. Why is it one rule for them and another for us?

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    • @ Rocco. What is it about two people being unmarried, that you seem to think constitutes a criminal offence?. Also, can you explain your claim, that we have to respect other cultures?. Personally, I tend to respect other cultures, on the basis that I deem them worthy of respect, and not because some sections of societies state that I should, without any rational explanation as to why. I can understand how primitive methods of supposed justice, such as the stoning to death of a person, would have existed during the stone age. I can see how it would have continued further, throughout the bronze ages, the iron ages, the middle ages even. What I struggle to understand is, how in this somewhat modern age, it still continues. What is even harder to fathom, is why someone from a Western society, ( if indeed you are ) would think this barbaric behaviour worthy of respect, seemingly on the bizarre reasoning, that it happened somewhere else.

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    • Maybe Mr. Sword can send an open letter to Mali Tribune and inform them we are in 21st century. :)

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    • Rocco what a disgraceful comment Stop trolling

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    • Rocco 31/07/12 #

      Ciaran, do you really feel what happened here was wrong or do you just like leaving pointless comments? It seems your intellect leaves much to be desired.

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    • Mr rocco..respectin cultures dosent mean killing of innocent people…there are thousands of cultures around the world that i have seen with my own eyes and never known any of them that kill cos ur not married…there is a big difference between culture and religion mr rocco..and does 2 died cos of the religion….and is still doesnt make it right…

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    • Tom 31/07/12 #

      What kind of Morals and values were you brought up with?

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    • My trustworthy sidekick would indeed enjoy your sideswipe, if indeed he possessed the neouriligical matter to perceive it

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  • Why didn’t they get married?

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    • Rocco. I just think your comments about watching vids online was to no ones benefit. Death by stoning ..how can that be right in any way. Dark ages shit that granted should be reported On . But again religion and extremist beliefs can have these extreme actions

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    • And Rocco I know it’s there beliefs but doesn’t make them right. Do you think what they did was fine because it’s there beliefs or there religion. I don’t but then that’s my opinion as I’m entitled to as r you

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    • They were going to but then booze got banned so they canned the wedding and got stoned instead!

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