It’s Trap’s style of play.

They also contribute positively to the economy in a way us lazy and uneducated Irish don’t/can’t!

You can say that again.

Aoife. And you are one of US!

Aoife,you might be uneducated and make no contribution but most of are pretty good citizens.

Yes, Tommy…. You can be a “good citizen” and still be lazy and uneducated. You are proof.

Aoife, are you drunk??

Not all of them Aoife. I have employed nearly all types of Europeans. The Polish have as many bad apples as any other country. Irish people are bright & hard working in general but its hard to keep them on as they are continiously moving up in careers. However you will meet many Irish slackers in the workforce but they are just as many in the Polish workforce.Some of the Polish that worked for me were very loyal but the best people I worked with were Germans & English.

Aoife, don’t be so hard on yourself.

they are willing to do the jobs most Irish won’t consider however, to get by… clean offices, work in a chipper, collect glasses in a pub, etc… from 16 to 20 I had 3 jobs (at the same time, when i finished one i went to the other)… all cleaning and hospitality related… our you generation would rather get the dole.

young generation*

And Immigrant figures are up 30% since the economy went down the toilet 5 years ago.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/number-of-foreign-nationals-living-in-ireland-up-30-in-last-five-years-569329.html
Strange?
As tens of thousands of our own leave the country.
It is time that the ”fine scholars” leading the country started trying to create an environment which is appealing to their own people.

Not to mention those who are here illegally and who are involved in criminality, Roma gypsies who beg and steal, atm fraud etc. Australia takes the best and we get the dregs.

Australia takes the best? If those fellas are our best then … oh sh*t….

Stop their benefits!

The Irish government is actually only required to give EU nationals (which include Poland and the UK) benefits for 6 months. Not sure why they do it indefinitely, as it seems like a reasonable amount of time.

Of course, I’d enjoy watching Enda explain to the British government why he was limiting benefits for Brits.

Tom
The funny thing is that virtually all of these immigrants are in employment here which reflects very badly on the Irish who continue to say there is no work here.
With immigrants exceeding emigrants in the past three years we must now look at the disincentives in our Social Protection System and remove them .

There are reciprocal arrangements between the UK and Ireland in regard to welfare payments to citizens, health benefits, elections and travel.

Ireland can’t renege on those agreements.

I hope the 26 people who agreed with my comment read the sarcastic tone. I intended to mock the ignorant outrage of the Daily Mail and such, not to actually take a dig at benefits. I was actually hoping to get voted down…

@Paddy Rogers, you claim ‘most’ of the immigrants in Ireland are in employment, I seriously doubt that is true.
If you have any evidence to support your claim please feel free to share it us, your opinion does not count for much unless supported by facts.
But hey, dont let the truth get in the way of your bleeding heart, liberal leftist agenda.

Also, if it is true that most of the 500,000+ immigrants are in employment is this not cause in itself to prevent the further importation of cheap foreign labour into Ireland as this would be clear evidence to support the idea that it is leading to the displacement of indigenous Irish workers.

I know for a fact there are many unscrupulous employers who favour hiring foreign workers over Irish workers merely because the majority of foreign workers are easier to exploit, most of them have no idea of what rights they are entitled to or the basic salary scale for their position.

I have taken several cases before the rights commissioner and the employment tribunal on behalf of immigrant workers who have been exploited by Irish business owners.

I have no problem with very highly skilled immigrants coming to Ireland if they have a job offer before they come here, but the current situation is a farce, flood gates open for cheap foreign labour to pour in and it is always the ordinary folk both immigrant and native who suffer while the manipulators at the top reap all the rewards.

Wake the hell up before it’s too late!

@ Paddy Rodgers

Try standing in a dole office mate !!

How do non Australasian people get visas to work in Australia and New Zealand. ! He got a visa because he applied and was accepted like all the Irish who go to America Canada or Australia

Keith, how do you know if Samuel is here legally or illegally?
What makes you so sure?
What the hell has Australasia got to do with Irish immigration policy? Thats right, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Chocolate is grand! Try getting their medical history out of them!

They took our jobs

I think you’re right, there is not much difference between Polish and Irish, etc. if we took average / general work attitude. You can get bad apples everywhere. Another thing is that immigrants who come here are getting usually bigger salary than in their home countries, so there is sort of that extra incentive and motivation to work hard if you know what I mean. For Irish who were used to comfortable lifestyle and working wages that extra perk of course does not exist. And it’s quite important to be honest.

Youre benifiting more from be able to work and study here than we are from you. Irish people have done the crap jobs every where. Stop making out that youre doing us a favour. There are plenty of irish third level and secondary school pupils who always took the waitressing and supermarket jobs but cant get them now.

If someone’s ready to work, then good for you.

I’ve nothing against that.

I’ve only something against people who come here and don’t work (and I don’t mean people who were let go after they earned stamps).

The majority of non nationals in Ireland are white, as it cites in THIS ARTICLE. Do they play the race card often?

good point… but Troika wouldn’t object at all… it would be the liberal pc clique that continuously try to force immigration and integration down our throats and who have distorted the concept of racism to suit their own bleedin’ hearts agenda

Bad news for our culture so.

Good news for our football team, keep those Brasilians coming

The ones who are too lazy to check your passport unless you look “foreign”? :D

Maybe we should join… and do the job properly

Finbar: John Sisk and SRB civil engineering. Truth, and it’s probably more than 50 million. They tell it in zloty, not eur, but total payment including all processing costs, Irish companies are looking for nearly 1 billion zloty, so about 250 million euros. However whole situation is extremely unclear, Irish companies released statement in Polish press that they are withdrawing from the contract, because polish roads authority (investor) did not fulfill contract agreements, and polish say something similar about Irish companies. There is also 1 more polish company involved. In the end I think they will get their money back eventually in the court.
Anyways finbar, what this has to do with sentiment to polish people in Ireland etc. this thing is just business and just dispute between polish government and some company, it does not make absolutely any difference that this was Irish company, could be anybody, don’t be ridiculous now this happened because this is Irish company. Is that what you are suggesting..?

No country in the world has a population where 80% of it has a degree.. are you mixing up final school exams with university/ college qualifications? I think you are…..

Fair play Natalia.

well done !!

Well said, Natalia; they don’t even represent most Irish people these bigots.

From Nov 2009, Irish Times.

THE VAST majority (72 per cent) of people want to see a reduction in the number of non-Irish immigrants living here, according to an Irish Times/Behaviour Attitudes opinion poll.

Overall, a total of 43 per cent say they would like to see some, but not all, immigrants leave the State, while 29 per cent would like to see most immigrants leave. In contrast, just over a quarter (26 per cent) would like to see the number of immigrants remain as it is.

I suppose they are all bigots, eh ?

@Kevin – Polls are crap; you can find polls saying the complete opposite. Yes they are bigots. Ireland should be of all countries the most understanding when it comes to immigration; Irish have been immigrating the last 500 years. Ever heard of the Know Nothing Movement during the famine era(1840s) which targeted Irish-Catholics and vilified them like what’s going on hear. A lot of Irish are quick to forget their own history.

Samuel, we have all done those jobs. Stop moaning. Youre not Irish, we get it. So what?

“what will happens if non nationals stop to work for a week”?

Yeah, because there were no shops and mcDs and cleaners before 1995…

Samuel, first of all do not take what I said personally, this is not about individuals, I’m sure you are a nice guy and you’re probably a hard worker too, but all of that is irrelevant.

The issue here is that Ireland has an unemployment rate of 15%, an estimated 1000 highly educated and skilled Irish people are leaving Ireland every week, all because they can not find employment ANYWHERE.

I am a tradesman and spent years working hard learning my craft but due to the recession the construction industry in Ireland is finished but thats just the way it goes, I now work in what I would consider a low end job and I’m one of the lucky ones, and I know it.

So dont come on here with the arrogance to presume you are somehow doing Ireland a favour by working here, you’re not, and you wouldn’t be here working for €800 per month if it wasn’t a dramatically better standard of salary and standard of living to your home country.

In reality, you are taking up employment that an Irish person could and should have.
Once again, it’s not personal, just a fact.

The unemployment rate amongst non Irish nationals is 17.8% compared to 14.8% for Irish nationals. But don’t let that get in the way of your anti Irish rant. Its sad to hear some of the natives pushing myths about foreign people receiving free cars, buggies and what have you. But its worse again when foreigners start claiming the natives are lazy dole bludgers.

Trolling? Because I think there are far too many unskilled migrants here? Because I think we are saturated with immigrants? Remember, I work in maternity services and 20% of the population are having 25% of the babies. Our maternity hospitals are close to breaking point but sure feck all that, im a troll. Get your head out of the sand. Irish names like yours will be in museums pretty soon. A reminder that this country WAS a place where Irish people lived.

Tommy C: think you overstate a bit, there are other countries in Europe with bigger immigration than Ireland.
Have you been in USA, where some cities and towns are like 70% black or asian. Even UK is much more mixed than Ireland. Germany, France? You can’t win with that I’m afraid. Start looking at people as human beings not as race / nationality or you will go mad sooner or later ok.

America was built by immigration which meant the native people suffered. I have been to the US several times. There have been race riots in the UK and some parts are no go areas for the natives. As for Paris, have you seen the riots there? Not to mention the dislike of Turks in Germany. We are too small a nation. Im sure when your home country is filling up with unskilled migrants you’ll see for yourself.

It’s not racist to say there are problems with our immigration policies. Unfortunately most of the people who point these problems happen to be racist. Although free movement of labor is one of the core tenets of the EU, it looks like most countries are not as generous as we are but that’s not strictly an immigration issue.

Deasus, I agree with your view of “best man for the job”. I can also understand the perspective of those who are worried about the disintegration of Irish society when they look at these numbers.

Sammy we don’t have any decent Mexican restaurants here, that could be your niche if the acting career dont take off, unless rte are looking for a mexican actor to replace tubridy on the late late….. now that would be an idea! :)

Whats an arp? Yes Samuel, the people who died for ireland. To preserve our people and our culture. To ensure that we were never replaced by another uninvited mass of people. If youre here and earning, good for you but Ireland and the Irish owe you nothing.

Tommy C. The Irish who’ve gone to other countries throughout history have met with the exact same bigoted attitude that you are illustrating. Give it a rest will you?

Our immigration policies need some work. That said, most of people who’ve emigrated to Ireland have come from other EU countries. They are entitled to be here, and I say they’re welcome. The unscrupulous greedy Gombeen employers that some of you are complaining about are all *Irish*.

Tommy C, da trolling is so sharp I almost fed ya! 8/10. Keep it up!

Samuel if you’re working and have a bit of respect for us then i would never have any quarrel with you living here.
The kind of people telling you to go home may not have a job now,but i can assure you that many of them didn’t have a job when times were good.

The irish leaving are skilled. The migrants arriving are not.

Tommy C: I don’t think that is truth at all.

Yes it is true. The irish are going to the US, canada, NZ etc. you need certain qualifications, skills, experience, fluent english, clear bill of health etc. here we take in those with no qualification, no skills, no english, HIV, TB etc! Its not a fair swap. Dya think the 80,000 migrants on the dole all have qualifications and skills needed here? Hardly.

CSO figures on emigration and immigration to April 2012.

Emigration from Ireland in the 12 months to April was estimated at circa 87,100. Immigration into Ireland was circa 52,700. Of the 87,000 who emigrated in those 12 months 53% were Irish. Of the immigrants 20,600 were returning Irish nationals.

Hardly a flood of unskilled workers arriving on our shores…….

Kerry, id say 47,000 is a flood.

What 47,000 Tommy C? You need to take into account the 47% of 87,000 who emigrated as well who were non natinals.

Tommy C: well, fluent English is hardly a skill if you’re Irish, isn’t it ? :-)

Tommy C is probably right about the skilled Irish emigrating.

Oh dear.

Gwan Google ya boy ya!!

I am very impressed with Tom’s knowledge and articulate manner through which he argues his case. This country needs a proper mature political lobby group or party to allow us who feel strongly against uncontrolled immigration to have our concerns heard. To date anyone who tries to express an anti immigration opinion is immediately labelled racist and uneducated. I am neither. I am an ordinary professional who is concerned at what i see happening around me.

Quick personal experience… my younger sisters, late teens, looking for summer jobs in a local hotel. They are hard working young women who were always taught by my parents that you must work hard to get the things you want in life. Manager of hotel tells them there are no vacancies… disappointment for my sisters. They applied for waitressing and cleaning jobs.

Two weeks later a “pile” of polish girls working there. No proper English etc. I challenged the manager and he told me, exact quote..” they ten a penny and work like blacks”.

So who is the culprit in this situation? The Polish girls who probably came here full of excitement at the adventure, or the manager? It’s a local hotel, what do the local people think of this fella?

Non christian and there’s a problem? go play with your imaginary friends elsewhere!

One of the largest growing groups in the country are atheists. What are we going to do?

While your entire comment was pretty disgusting, the line ‘once they share their women’ was probably the worst part. Are women a commodity to you, something be distributed and shared about? Do you border control to line up immigrant women and ask them if they’re willing to be shared with you? Cop on.

I’m not planning to share my women with anyone. sorry lads :)

I think the comment was directed more at the import of religious customs contrary to Irish values (which are still sometimes, erroneously, referred to as “Christian” values). I always though it an odd remark, given that Christianity itself has a pretty poor record on the sexism/homophobia front.

I hope your spoken English is better than your written English.

Classic comment Fuzi! Sorry to burst your bubble, but I wonder if you really believe you’re an English speaking Christian yourself? You might have some difficulties reaching the requirements for either. Just saying.

It’s only a problem to want to stay if you do so illegally. If he uses his education to apply for a work permit (there are still certain employment areas where there aren’t enough Irish workers), why is that a problem? Similarly, I fell in love with an Irish classmate and can stay through Irish family member provisions.

Is wanting to stay a bad thing if done so through legitimate means?

Finbar no, local men is definitely not an issue there, it’s maybe made up by some people to increase antagonisms…there are couple big chinese companies operating projects in poland and they bring their own people too. Of course there are always some people protesting that, but usually just goes as far as that. There were loads of German labourers building Wroclaw stadium for euro games etc. No issues. This rumor reminds me another rumor doing rounds in irish internet about signs at polish sites “no irish apply” – complete b…. nobody saw these signs, not one picture in internet etc. but yet everyone talking. Not sure who makes up these stories but looks like the goal of them is to create hate.

Oh yes we Irish have it very easy…. get a grip. And qualifications are paramount today for everyone.

Natalia, the tragedy is that we’ve already been there. You found plenty of people with degrees doing very basic jobs in the 80s. It’s only recently that people have been able to get semi-decent jobs without very good qualifications and I think that’s pretty much changed now. As a country, we do benefit enormously from most of the Polish people who’ve come here.

Yes Natalia and this is one of the reasons why I left Poland. Because it’s a kip where shop assistant needs degree to get a job and most jobs were after recommendation and protection. This has changed now in recent years for better, but still is far from being smart. Ireland took much more sensible approach to people based on experience, actual skills and personal eagerness, not just diploma parchment.
I generally agree with your comment, but there is no way Polish have 80% people with higher diploma… you way over estimated that. Out of curiosity I did bit of research and you will be surprised to know by percentage there is more people in Ireland with higher diploma than in Poland :) Interesting, isn’t it ? Also, this educational spread would be slightly different in Polish community in Ireland – more people by percentage with higher education than in Poland – for this reason that many of young Poles who emigrated were educated and skilled.
And, don’t worry about Tommy C I don’t really find him offensive and even if so, just go by that, I used to boil when I heard racist remarks, etc. now I brush them off. If someone has an issue let them tell me face to face then I can discuss, otherwise I ignore such… And same like you, I live here, spend loads of money in local Irish economy (I don’t support 10 cousins and brothers in Poland lol as don’t have them), pay taxes, run family, travel, live… Ironically Ireland who sometimes (only sometimes) was hostile to me (and only very few people) thought me to drop prejudice towards other people I had before coming here I can say I’m more open minded now. Thanks for that. Live and let live the others, that’s it.

Natalia, nobody is arguing that Polish people are not smart, pretty, hard working etc. I know many of them are and I have dated many very nice Polish girls but that is irrelevant.

The point is whether Ireland needs more immigrants or if it’s time to put some restrictions in place.
As I’m sure you are more than aware, unemployment in Ireland is reaching an all time high, highly skilled and educated Irish people have to leave Ireland at a rate of 1000 at least per week because they can not find work here, maybe you should take some time to reflect on the situation and imagine what would happen if this was Poland.

I was just recently in Wrocklaw and I was shocked at the tiny, tiny number of non Polish immigrants that are there. lets put it into perspective, it is estimated that around 20% of the Irish population is now non Irish immigrant, lets imagine 20% of the Polish population was made up of non Polish people competing with Polish workers and willing to work for less than the industry rates, that would be 8,000,000 non Polish workers that went into Poland over a period of 10 years. What do you think the Polish people would do about that?
What do you think the Polish government would do about that?

Dont take these things personal because they’re not, I’m sure you are educated and probably a nice person, but should that matter ? I’m sure there are billions of nice, educated people in the world but that does that mean they should all be entitled to come to Ireland in search of work or a better life?

Pathetic…

Any chance of an answer to my questions above Samuel? Or do you have something to hide?

Disgusting woman.

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