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Publicans gloomy on prospects

82 per cent believe trade will deteriorate further, with 76 per cent reporting a fall in spending.

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THE VAST MAJORITY of publicans believe that trade in the sector will get worse, with over three quarters reporting a slump in spending, a new study commissioned by the Vintners Association says.

Spending on drinks is down, with a large number of respondents reporting a drop in the amount of money spent on food.

According to accounting firm RSM Farrell Grant Sparks, which surveyed 415 people in the trade throughout Ireland, 76 per cent of publicans reported a fall in spending on drink, with 68 per cent reporting that spending on food was also down.

82 per cent said they expected prospects for the licensed pub industry to deteriorate further, with 90 per cent stating that the number of weekly visits by customers has fallen.

“This survey has added to the growing data that shows just how difficult conditions are for publicans throughout Ireland” said Padraig Cribben, CEO of the Vintners Federation of Ireland.

Notwithstanding the shift in culture towards health and drinking alcohol, the lack of disposable income and competition from grocery chains that can sell alcohol below cost price are just two factors that contribute to a bleak outlook for the future of the Irish pub and for publicans in Ireland.

He said that despite efforts by publicans to improve their services, by offering discounts on drink prices and offering entertainment, the industry would continue to suffer from a reduction in consumer spending and the increasing trend of drinking at home.

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  • How many publicans have dropped the price of their drinks,food etc, and what are they doing to encourage the clientele to come to their pub,I don’t drink alcohol myself but I was out the other night with a friend and it cost me more to stay sober drinking soft drinks than it did for him to get drunk!!!

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    • Well said , if I have the car and am not drinking I’m always amazed at the prices , 5.50 for a rock shandy last week , the mark up has to be unreal on that , they need to do better job at reducing prices where possible to try increase business , the prices fir food shit up during the boom too with very little signs they have come back down accordingly..

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    • 5.50 for a rock shandy???? your the bigger igot(sorry!!) paying it!

      what are u doing in that place in the 1st place!!!

      just for interest how much is a pint?
      rock shandy around here from 4 euro to 4.40. (and the ice is free!)

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    • @ Ian.. I agree.. In the good times the publicans fleeced their patrons, I can’t understand why, in my local town, the publicans don’t get together and lower the prices of the alcohol in general .. They might lose money to start but after awhile I think the patrons will return as they will be able to afford to do so .. the way it’s going now afew of them will be closed within the year..

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    • so every business should FIX prices…?? Isn’t that illegal ?

      1 euro for bread..
      70 euro for a Tyre
      60 for the doctor
      1 euro for bar of choc
      2 euro for milk…

      publicans are only ordinary people trying to make a living to. why should pubs fix prices? your away with the fairy’s… Every one is entitled to a fair wage. yes fair. Just drink else where. find the offers and the value for money pubs.

      would it not be better to offer say cheap larger for 3 euro. which a lot are doing now. like Bavaria and Tuborg.
      And do offers each week on drinks and food etc. You cant fix prices.

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  • To be honest going to a pub is a luxury nowadays. Most folks I know barely manage to hit the pub once a month if lucky at all. The pubs made a small fortune in the Celtic boom.

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  • I’d put it down to the price of a pint myself!!

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  • I hate the pubs that put up the price of a drink after midnight “because of the late license” …when really it’s because everyone is too drunk to notice by then.

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  • Would they ever shag off with their “the supermarkets are selling cheap sauce.. blah blah…” Let’s hike up the price of food so by that logic, to help the restaurant trade. Gowls.

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  • I’m not sure the price of the pint is all that important. Nothing has become all that more expensive, but I find it more difficult to accept a 100 euro bill for the night than I did years ago, though I earn more. This is mainly because I’m older and I have more responsibilities, like I don’t find it acceptable for myself to be a zombie at work on a Monday and do nothing.

    The elephant in the room here is youth unemployment. When I was 22-25, earning a lot less than what I do now, I thought nothing of spending 400-600/month on ‘entertainment’ expenses. Now, I’d scarcely spend 50/month on average in pubs.

    If you break pubs into two groups, you have the quiet local which relies on steady trade, and the flash superpub that needs your Thursday Friday Saturday bobs.
    - The quiet local is the reserve of the squeezed middle, they have more responsibilities and reduced disposable income on average. If everyone has one less visit for 2/3 pints, things go south
    - The superpub is struggling massively. People paid stupid money to take them over during the boom, and now the 20-25 year olds are unemployed en masse and have no money to blow 150 quid a week on booze and dancing.

    The price of a pint has gone nowhere, the cost of producing the pint is on the rise, labour costs are static and rates are on the up. Sure, everyone wants cheaper pints, and we might have them a bit more if the were, but where do people expect that to come from? The margins aren’t what people think they are.

    I’m not one to stick up for the vintners federation, and I think it’s disgusting how they try and blame social problems on cheap drink in supermarkets so they can force consumers into the pubs. The pr*cks have also made so I can’t buy a bottle of wine after 10pm if we get off a flight late and feel like a glass at the last minute to unwind.

    However, the price of a pint is a function of cost, and if you want to drink in flash bars in the middle of the city centre with comfortable leather seats and all that jazz, then you have to pay for part of those costs. You’re not drinking in a Sibín in West Co. Galway – you’re in a city centre bar, and all rent, rates, furniture and the crap on the wall cost money.

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    • some great points there.

      look shur its like every other business, under pressure.

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    • It’s all about disposable income. Going out to the pub has gone way down most people’s list. The fact that a bar person is seen as a full time profession in Ireland doesn’t help the price of alcohol either. In most countries people working in bars are paid the bare minimum. In fact most bar people in other countries only work a few hours per week to boost their income. How much could publicans reduce prices by, if they could pay their bar staff a lot less I wonder?

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    • My Grandad used to dring in the halfway house in Drimnagh, one of the local publicans persuaded all local pubs to scrap the Christmas drink (given to them by the suppliers), he said it would work if they all did it and they did, a vast majority of publicans are greedy, and while disposable income is down, I do feel they would do better if they valued their customers a little more. Same with soft drinks, I think pubs get those for about 10c a bottle, so why not give these to designated drivers for free, no conditions? Greed that’s why not.

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    • 10 cent for a soft drink to buy ?

      your away with the fairy’s…

      anything from 60 cent to a euro, depending.

      after than take staff, esb, rates, licence, insurance, rent, etc etc etc etc….go away hour that…

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    • Good post.

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    • Matt, given you can buy cans of coke for 50c some places which are twice the size of pub soft drinks, I don’t think it’s that far from the truth, and what is fact is that pubs are given extra kegs for Christmas for their patrons and a lot of pubs do not pass these on. How do some pubs manage to sell pints for less than 4 euro alongside other pubs who charge over a fiver?

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    • dam it..my comment did not post! here we go again, short version…

      If pub A selling at 3.50, and pub B at 5 euro. shur your only a gob-shitte going to pub b !
      Go to pub A for a few weeks and watch as pub B drops there prices !

      Guinness do not give out free kegs to smaller pubs at x-mas (which are the majority).
      I know this for a fact.

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    • I know someone that worked in a pub where they re-used the slops, greed is inherent within the industry, I do not choose to pay over a fiver for a pint, and I’m sure many others don’t either, and that is why I think publicans are gloomy.

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    • 5 euro is to much…

      re using slops? jeassus… shur just tell every one the name of the pub…! simple ! don’t drink there!

      right back to real life..i got work to do!

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    • @Rodrigo – How many bartenders do you actually know? All of them that I know, without exception, earn no more than ?9/10 per hour as it is, so there’s not a lot less they can be paid before you hit minimum wage! I myself work as a bar supervisor/head barman & my annual salary is around ?7000p.a. LESS than the average industrial wage. The current economic climate, combined with falling rates of pay in the service industry as a whole, has led to professionals leaving the industry altogether so that we’re left with a majority of part-time bar workers & waiting staff with no sense of professionalism & very little, if any, pride in their work. This in turn has led to a huge drop in standards & customer service which, in my opinion, is a major contributing factor to falling numbers in pub clientele. Also, if bar work was not considered a profession in this country, then there’d be an awful lot more strain on our already overtaxed social welfare system. Think on this next time you’re in a pub or restaurant & be sure to leave a generous tip, because I can promise you your bartender/waiter is relying on it!

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    • havent been in a pub for over 2 years. last time I got violently ill after drinking 5 pints of the black stuff.
      my buddy told me after that the bar person cant resist using slops and others have suffered
      that kind of stuff put me off.
      thats greed and contempt for customers and at top dollar

      a bottle of merlot and a film is a better and SAFER bet

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  • I agree with Ian above .Some nights I don’t drink and it costs a fortune. Only so much blackcurrant I can drink I sometimes like a fanta ! Now that publicans have lost the monopoly the toys come out of the Pram.

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  • 4 , 30 for a pint off the black stuff put it up 20s the other day and wonders why his pub is empty all weekend

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  • before you all start on the price of a pint…please..please remember we are not all from Dublin.

    A pint in carlow is 3.30 in my local. (buy 10 get one free)..works out at 3.30.

    and in general is around 3.50/3.70.

    You cant beat the local pub. A great place to meet people and have fun.

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  • Time for them to stop moaning and to move with the times, offer people value for money in a nice clean environment with a good atmosphere, offer good quality food at acceptable prices with professional and polite service, implement designated driver deals, reward customer loyalty, etc…. Now that the days of even the worse pubs in Ireland being full on a Friday and Saturday night are gone it’s time for publicans to wake up and realise that if they don’t offer people something for their money they wont spend it!

    They could also increase their drinks ranges, how many pubs in Ireland only offer the standard Bud, Carlsberg, Guinness offerings? I want to be able to drink some Erdinger or Hoegardeen etc… which are available in every pub across Europe along with the Bud, Carlsberg, Guinness…

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  • @Michael completely true. I work in a bar part time and Guinness will give you nothing.

    We didn’t even get a poster for Arthur’s day… unless you are an extremely busy bar you are not on their radar.

    We’re given no free barrels or drink of any kind from our suppliers at Christmas, all the cost is on the publican, but generally no one minds, got to keep your customers happy a free drink at Christmas wont do any harm.

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  • Free kegs at Xmas, are you kidding ? You cannot even get beer mats of Guinness any more let alone free kegs to give your patrons a drink. A lot of pubs still give their patrons a free drink at Xmas and it comes out of their pockets no one else’s

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  • I’ve no problems with pubs shutting down, I think there’s far too many of them in general. I live in a small village that has only one Centra, a bank that’s about to close and no petrol station for 10 miles but has 11 pubs, only one of which does food and yet they’re all managing to stay in business despite vast unemployment and a recession that’s hit every family in the area. Seems to me that a lot of people prioritise their social life above practical things like paying bills, etc.

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  • JakkiB 18/10/12 #

    They will never admit that the smoking ban distroyed the pubs

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  • Many years ago my grandad would have been outside the pub early to get in first to avail of the slops on a sunday morning, it was the norm back then, on another point I work for a large food and drink co and would be delighted to call to any publican to show them how I can save them money on their food and drink costs, they can then pass on those savings to their customers , any takers??

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  • The damage was made end of March 2002:The smoking ban.

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