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So what happens IF Greece leaves the euro?

A bank run, devaluation, civil disobedience – what exactly would be the effect of Greece pulling out of the eurozone?

Will Greece leave the eurozone?
Will Greece leave the eurozone?
Image: AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis

AS CONFUSION reigns this afternoon over Greek  plans – or not – for a referendum on the latest bailout,  the question over whether Greece will remain in the eurozone has become more urgent.

Angela Merkel last night made it clear that saving the euro was more important than keeping Greece within the monetary union, with the Guardian reporting the German Chancellor as saying that while it would be better for Greece to stay in the eurozone, the “goal of stabilising the euro” is the priority.

But what would happen to Greece if it did leave the euro? What would life be like for its citizens? Would there be a bank run? And how would the markets react?

Devaluation

If Greece left the euro and reinstated the drachma it is almost inevitable that the new currency would be devalued. “Devaluation makes exports cheaper which would be a boost but the interest rates could be crippling,”  Philip Lane, professor of international macroeconomics at Trinity College Dublin, told TheJournal.ie. The knock-on effects of a new currency – or reinstatement of the drachma –  would be negative for most sectors of the Greek economy, particularly given the ongoing instability in the country.

Bank run

One of the likely effects is a massive run on the Greek banking system. “Anyone in Greece who had any money, unless they’re very patriotic, would take their money out of Greece,” says Philip Lane. It’s almost inevitable that the new currency would be devalued so individuals and institutions would rush to withdraw their money while it was still worth more in euro.

Day to day life

Leaving the euro would radically change the standard of living for Greek citizens.  ”They would be much less likely to take a holiday, much less likely to buy a foreign car. Imports would be much more expensive,” says Philip Lane. “People with a lot of spending power are the ones who’d be hurt. A lot of what people consume is local, so if you’re not a big purchaser of imports, the impact on your standard of living would be less.”

Bankruptcy

Any individuals in Greece who owed money in euro could find it difficult to make repayments if a new currency was worth substantially less than the euro.

“If your salary had been €40,000 per year and was then reduced to the equivalent of say, €20,000 under the new currency, your ability to repay the debt would be wrecked,” says Lane.

Domino effect

A Greek pull-out could lead to the “usual domino story”, says Lane. “There would inevitable be a lot of speculation about who else might leave. Ireland and Portugal would be on the front line of that, followed by Italy. Monetary systems do have a fragility about them, so the Greek situation has a knock-on effect.”

Interest rates

Without the guiding hand of the European Central Bank, Greece would be able to set its own interest rates. However as Philip Lane explains, it’s unlikely that Greece would be able to have rates as low as the ECB. “The country would win on devaluation as it would be a boost to make its exports cheaper,  but lose on the interest costs as it would be trying to encourage people to hold drachma. The interest rates could be crippling.”

Civil disobedience

This report by economists at UBS on the effects of a country leaving the eurozone warned that civil disobedience is likely to go hand in hand with any country withdrawing. The report even warns that civil war could be on the cards, noting that it has often accompanied the break-up of monetary unions.

Cheap holidays

One of the few positive sides to Greece going it alone on the currency markets is that it would likely become a very cheap place for a holiday. The euro would be worth a lot more than the new currency, stimulating tourism and making it a potentially attractive destination for Europeans.

Optimism

It may not all be bad news. This interesting report by the Monetary Authority of  Singapore looked at all monetary union exists since 1945 and found that many of the 60 or so economies who did it actually recovered relatively quickly.

“The trauma in the short term would be high but after a number of years GDP may be higher because of the trade effect (where the country could export goods quite cheaply even though imports would be expensive),” says Lane. “It would be really difficult in the short term but if a country can survive all of that then things could turn out positively.”

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Comments (35 Comments)

  • Ireland are extremely unlikely to leave the Euro… you know, because we’ve been repaying our debt, against the will of a rather vocal group.
    A departure from the Euro would be devastating to the local economy and to the country for decades to come – what amazes me is that, even when faced with the consequences, people are still advocating that for Ireland.
    A Greek departure would be very bad for Greece, and would cause short to medium term instability within the Eurozone and on the markets, but would actually be better for the Eurozone in the long term. They should never have been allowed to enter and their books should have been scrutinized more closely.

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    • Phillip. Italy and Spain, Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Cyprus should not be in the Euro. It is as simple as that. The question is can the currency survive with the above countries in it. It is hard to see how the above countries can remain in the currency.

      This was predicted very clearly when the currency was proposed by countless economists and investors.

      As for Greece’s books being scrutinized more closely, the rules were thrown out by France and Germany, both of whom should have been penalized in the run up to the currencies creation. It’s been a joke form day one, time to face up to the reality that the currency in its current form cannot survive.

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    • Tim,
      Ireland were (from memory) the 4th country to qualify for the EMU based on inflation, debt as a percentage of GDP, and growth forecast. Greece lied their way in. That’s why I say they should never have been let in – the people that run the EU wanted to grow too fast, something I voted against in Nice as I felt a lot of the new countries were not fiscally stable.
      Our current woes are due to a property bubble bursting and coinciding with a global banking crises.
      So that’s how we got here – the important thing is what happens next. Saying that the PIIGS should be out of the Euro is something that cannot happen for the sheer disruption it would cause to all of the European economy.
      A Greek default is very likely and if this referendum does not pass they will be under extreme pressure to leave. Their default will be ‘controlled’ and their country will suffer a deep depression. I do not envy them.
      For the rest of Europe there is too much at stake to allow any further default. An Irish default would cast doubt on Italy and Spain and they are too big to save. For all the doommongering, I say this will not happen. The Eurozone will be propped up by Germany and France. Ireland will be given further concessions on her debt to avoid a default and while the next few years won’t be very pleasant, we’ll see modest growth.
      But hey, I’m sure it’s a lot more populist to declare the sky is falling.

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    • Phillip the property bubble/crash, the credit crisis and applying a single interest rate across a variety of economies are not unrelated.
      Applying inappropriate interest rates to an economy has a damaging effect. Periphery nations will always come second place when interest rates are decided.
      This blog touches on this.
      http://www.fatcat.com.au/news/home/Investment/370_0.html

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    • Sean, I agree our interest rate was inappropriate during the time of explosive growth. A government with control over interest rates would (should) have increased them to temper the growth.
      The union is not perfect but it has helped us gain huge trade as the only native English speaking country in the Euro and our financial services industry has brought massive jobs to the country.
      Imagine the alternative now if we had the punt… we would be suffering insurmountable debt in the face of a fast devaluing currency.
      We will always be a small country on the periphery but we are a lot stronger with Europe than without it.

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    • Philip. I agree with a lot of what you say. However it is not just populism to say that a Greek default is inevitable and that partial defaults for other countries is necessary. It is just reflecting the economic reality of the times.

      Germany and France are not strong enough to prop up Italy, never mind Spain. The no’s just aren’t there. If they engage in printing, then they might be some chance – a messy option though.

      What people are refusing to look at is that the Germans, Dutch people are not that enamoured with the Euro, Ireland or Greece. They are not going to risk their prosperity to benefit us.

      The ideal thing to happen would be debt write down for Greece, they exit the Euro but are supported by the ECB over a period of change. This then could be applied to ourselves and the other PIIGS. When Greece defaults, not if, it has always been a certainty then we’ll be next in the firing line. Ireland and Greece are just the sideshow, we together represent less than 4% of the EU economy. Tiny, a side show. Italy is the next domino to fall. The Euro may survive, it may not, but unless there is debt write downs across Europe, an encouragement to growth, rather than the slow decline of the present, then no one will win.

      I disagree with your point about us having insurmountable debt if we had the Punt. Our national interest rates would never allowed the property bubble to develop. This was clearly pointed out by numerous economists, including Milton Friedman, predicted in the mid 90′s. The markets would never have allowed Greece or Ireland or Spain or their banks to borrow to that degree done.

      The Euro project would have worked if it started out as just Germany, France, Austria, Belgium and Holland and then after awhile, counties that met economic targets and criteria could join. The speed is what doomed it from the start, the lack of convergence. The idea that one interest rate could fit 17 different economies, different needs will go down in history as one of Europe’s greatest mistakes.

      I’m not, as you may have guessed a fan of the Euro but like many investors and economists I cannot see how the Euro can survive with the PIIGS as members, nor can I see how they can return to growth when rates are set for German needs. It really is about trying to square the circle here.

      The frightening thing about all of this is that the EU/ECB is paralyzed by the threat of a minnow like Greece being in financial trouble, never mind default. The lack of political will in the EU is stunning.

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  • You haven’t upset me – debate is good. I am glad to be living in Ireland – its still a country with some moral currency amongst the people at least.

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  • Lots of scare tactics going on we will be broke for decades its not in our interest to leave the euro we might.get mugged. I tired of this. The greek pm was summoned to canne yesterday & told what to do by 2 leaders of 2 different countries & whatever they threatened him with he obeyed. Now i no economist but i tell you my fello Irish people that worries me more than the country going bust. I want my politicians to prove to me their in charge & if they cant i want out of Europe & ?. Our friends in Iceland do ok so the story of scare tactics dont work here.

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  • If Greece leave I don’t see Ireland being too far behind,
    “No we have not being in discussion with the ECB & IMF for a bailout…. (Keep the head down and look at the ground, yr retiring soon and don’t wanna lose yr vast pension, head down, head down)…

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  • Be careful what you wish for.

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  • Increased visible and invisible exports for a country that should have never been in the EMU in the first place makes alot of sense to me.

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    • We’ll be the next country to leave, as the markets will also point out that we have/had no business in the Euro. Facts are a b1tch that way. Their are benefits to the Euro but the down sides are so large that they risk tearing the economy of the continent apart. The Euro is a political construct that tried to bend economic reality to it. It has failed in that.

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  • It wasn’t me that said that about putting my money into the swiss banks, that wes Eamonn – I think that people who want us to default must have no stake in society – the people with mortgages (I am not one of them) are already in dire straits – they don’t need to have to pay off their euro loans in punts on top of all their other woes. Iceland could do it because they had their own currency but we are in the euro for better or worse.

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  • i am not suggesting that peoples stake in society is measured by their financial assets and liabilities – moreso by their concern for that society and the people who live in it. Go to the supermarket and look at the families on welfare and pensioners buying groceries – who wants to see them suddenly have no money to eat? That’s what will happen if we go bankrupt which some people think will be a desirable outcome. We still have a welfare state that takes care of its vulnerable – in Greece people are queing to get food handouts and becoming homeless. We are not so badly off yet – if we go bankrupt there will be no money social welfare, no public service pay, no state pensions. Who wants to see their vulnerable neighbour queing at a soup kitchen – not me, only a person who hasn’t looked into what life is like in a bankrupt country or who has nothing to loose or believes in survival of the fittest and is confident they are one of those, could want to see this happen.

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    • Don’t worry. Money is just a piece of paper symbolising an exchange of energy. It will always exist and things will always have a value. I don’t think that the people of Ireland are going to lose their heads. If we haven’t by now it’s not likely.

      There are the extremists who’s voices and scaremongering is very loud at the moment. But most people care about injustice and their voices are getting louder.

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  • Neil you often seem to be the voice of reason here – I too like things the way they are – I can put food on the table, clothing on my back and have a fire in the evenings – nobody is mugging me on the street yet or trying to break into my home – unlike the situation for many Greeks these days.

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    • No disrespect Saffron but the days of hiding ones head in the sand are well over. People believe that the bulwark of Germany will save the Euro, but that is far from certain. The sheer scale of the no’s suggest it may not be able to, certainly not if Italy continues on its current path. Managed default is the only thing that can save Greece and other countries, thankfully the ECB is facing up to this, after massive pressure from the markets to do this over the last 2 years – a missed opportunity. Hopefully there is still time to limit the damage, either way there will be a lot of pain across Europe.

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    • @ saffron. You’re a good person. Don’t put any money into Swiss banks. I remember your post re Chinese girl. Plant your spuds but don’t mix your money in with the nazi and all other despots money.

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  • Greece is the Fianna Fail of Europe

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  • I’m transferring my savings, (6k) into Swiss francs and leaving them there for at least a year.

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  • The smell of fear is nauseating.

    Napoleon in high heels and Hitler in drag.

    Don’t worry. All is not lost. This is the final act in the farce that is “the markets”.

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  • So they have their own currency & only a couple of years ago they had no money. So whats stopping us from getting our own currency. It will create jobs making it. All this talk from the otherside,”we cant we cant”!! What about is feidir is feidir linn yes we can lets give a go

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  • Cheap holidays sound good,cheaper exports,could be great for them,and force public service costs down cause of lack of funds…..way to go Greece then us.

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  • Iceland had their own currency, we do not. I guess greece is the canary in the cole mine so we will have to wait and see how it pans out before deciding if we want to go the same way.

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  • Neil 03/11/11 #

    Default and devaluation is like heaven on earth from what I read on this site. If you have any pension or savings, or you work in the public sector , then it’s a very exciting situation.

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    • No doubt default is brutal Neil but no one has put forward a realistic alternative to it. That is the key issue here. Why do you think that the ECB have agreed to a managed default by Greece. They are starting to face up to reality, possibly a few years too late but it is still welcome.

      No one says it will be nice, it is just going to be a mathematical necessity. There is no outcome that is possible bar a Greek default, and in all probability partial defaults by many others. That is economics, suck it up baby.

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    • More of your stupid opinions on the public sector. Yawn…

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