What’s the difference between a same sex marriage and a civil partnership?

@Guinness Follower, Same Sex Marriage and Civil Partnership are different when it comes to children. If a woman has a child, and then marries a man unrelated to the child, then that man has legal rights and resposibilites to that child. Legally that man is that child’s father (I think). If a woman A has a child, and civil partnerships another woman B, then B has no legal rights or responsibilities to that child

It’s called raising awareness, showing that Gay Mitchell is wrong when he says Civil Partnership is enough for most gay people.

Live in the modern world,and don’t be just another homophobe Emma,live and let live,some people just seem to value their own opinions over others a bit too much, before you judge anyone walk in their shoes a while

Of course let’s now call out the homophobe card now hbenroe. This shows me that you have no understanding of the fundamental meaning of the word.

I would find it very hard to locate a single person who actually hates gay people. I can find many that have a strong dislike of the attacks they continuously make on mainstream society and even more who disagree strongly with your attitudes and behaviour. These folk are not homophobes.

You say “some people just seem to value their own opinions over others a bit too much”? You’re right. They are the ones marching today.

They’re not trying to chamge your fruity cults definition of marriage, they’re trying to change the legal definition of marriage. We live in a secular state, remember? The "sacrament of marriage" and marriage in a legal sense don’t have to be one and the same.

Stop imposing your defunct ideology on the rest of us.

What has the “sacrament of marriage” to do with a Gay marriage? Confusing the issue again Emma, Roman Catholic Cannon law has nothing to do with the State law.

Like become a model/actress/golf nut?

” They make the Orangemen look good because at least they have a genuine reason for marching.” hahahahaha!
imagine if in 100 yrs time the brits acorss the water started demanding to hold a march every year down the main street in Berlin…..yea good reason for a march. gtfo

I feel sorry for you are louse.are you a happy person?

Louise how would you feel if you could not marry the person you loved because of some stupid primitive law ?

Oh honestly, some things are better off staying in your head.. whoever you are… because the world has enough small minded people such as yourself Louise!

Marriage changes in Ireland all the time. Divorce used to be impossible, now it’s not. Times change. 50 years ago could you predict the Taoiseach condeming the behaviour of the catholic church directly in the Dáil? I don’t believe it when people say “This’ll never happen in Ireland”….

This has nothing to do with being treated as second class citizens. It has everything to do with people trying to bastardise a fundamental truth. Marriage is for man and woman. It recognises the dignity of their life giving union and recognises the fact that the safest most stable place for children to develop in with a mother and father who have given themselves to one another.

The gay community always revert to using the ‘discrimination’ card when they don’t get their own way.

You say “it has nothing to do with being treated as a second class citizen, Fergal, and then go on to say that marriage recognizes the dignity of a couples’ life. Bit contradictory? Unless you feel that homosexuals don’t deserve dignity, in which case Rónán’s point has just been proven.

I never said that Matt. The dignity of the individual person irrespective of their race, creed orientation is inviolable. I would die to defend that.

I said that marriage recognises the dignity ‘of their life giving union’. There are unions that are dignified and there are unions that are not. This goes for the heterosexual world too.

Ah yes Fergal because straight people don’t behave in strange ways, it’s just those queers who go marching through town. Straight people never do anything wrong or have “attitudes and behavior” that others disagree with.

Get your head out of the clouds and realize that we’re all humans. Try listening to what Jesus said, instead of the what the Church says now.

that was a reply to a different comment.

But my aunt and uncle can’t have children. And they’re married. Do you think they shouldn’t be allowed be married since they have never biologically been able to have kids?

everyone please take a very quick glance at Fergal’s profile – you’ll know what i mean when ye see it

That’s right Willy, I forgot pro-gay = anti-Catholic. That’s the equation you live by. Perhaps if you added in a little tolerance, reason might start to emerge and do you and your causes a favour.

Haha tolerance coming from the man who supports an organisation that burned people at the stake! THAT IS SO FUNNY!

You preach tolerance yet you’re against letting people who don’t believe the same as you to get married. A gay marriage law isn’t obliging all practicing Catholics to go out and get one, is it? All it’s asking is for you to be tolerant of the 10% or so of the population that will.

I agree Feargal, we certainly do need more tolerance in this society.

Fergal this is NOT about the rights and responsibilities of co-habitation. It is about the legal inequalities in civil law which is supposed to be blind to any one religious belief system. Civil marriage and the rights and responsibilities thereof are denied by law to couples who are homosexual. The differences between Civil Partnerships as defined in Irish Law and civil marriage are numerous and material. Please refer to the Acts and published information from GLEN.ie for exact discriminatory differences.

Well the straight couple can choose the legally strengthen their relationship by getting married, the gay couple can’t…

Fiachra, it looks like you have a lot of reading to do about Mr Norris and his doings in the 1970′s 80′s and today!!

Don’t know about the 1970′s but in the eighties he was in the Supreme Court battling to get homosexuality decriminalised in Norris v AG, which failed, and then in the nineties he brought the battle to the ECHR in Norris v Ireland, in which his action was successful. Basically played a pivotal role in the private lives of 10% of the population being decriminalised.

Wow, what an asshole.

How dare you slander a great man cindy you should be ashamed of yourself. As a person who has met the man[have you] he is a great man who has done a lot for this country. Also as the mother of a gay man i would like him to have the right to marry if thats what he wants to do just like my straight son can.I wonder why people like you get involved in this topic when it has no effect on your life.

Let’s hope there is a cure found for the wretched homophobics and bigots that we have to tolerate in society!

We know we’re a minority, and yeah, we want to live the life we want to live. So why don’t you just shut up about your faith, keep it to yourself, and let us get on with what we want to get on with.
Or by bringing your faith into this and being proud of it are you not looking for attention too? Or just being a bigot? You can take your choice.

Marriage is a sacrament in your church, yes. And nobody is trying to change that. This is about CIVIL marriage, for people of your faith, of other fatiths and no faith. We are not looking for church sanction for marriage, we are looking for CIVIL marriage. To be treated as eual citizens. The churches are laws unto themselves. Throwing the word “card” (he ‘discrmination card’) into your argument highlights that, at some level, you recognize that there is discrimination at play. It just so happens to be a discrimination that is in line with your own views and beliefs but you don’t want us using the word ‘discrimination’ to describe it. But you ARE discriminating: mariage is for only one section of society and not another. Nobody has yet said how the institution of marriage would be negatively affected by extending the right to civil marriage to same-sex couples. HOW would it be affected?

Sarah, I’m glad I’m not as closed minded as you!

Are you proud of a church that systematically abused young children and then covered it up? How can you call a loving relationship between two consenting adults unnatural-surely what was perpetrated by priests and nuns for decades made you question your faith? Get a life Sarah.

Pride’s a sin Sarah…

If you were a fan in the first place then I think you had something worse wrong with you than you think gay people have with them.

Oops you didn’t know he was gay?! How could you call yourself a fan in the first place? How very sad.

Then again, I have changed my mind, as is my human right. I think he is a talented singer, musician so I will continue to enjoy the music.

Unlike you Jenny Howard I wasn’t obsessed with whether a musician is gay or not.

I don’t think being at a march with a bunch of people like ye who preach about equality and tolerance is worth his while. Ye certainly don’t show even basic respect even discussing your views. Incapable and intolerant of a discussion with the opposite point of views – now that is what is sad.

What you think of me isn’t of any interest to me MM so don’t assume it.

I’m an atheist love, I don’t have or want or need a god and I think the Seanad should be abolished.
Idiotic assumptions and ignorant accusations here are sickening, as is your lack of intelligence and lack of empathy for anyone.

YES WE’RE LOOKING FOR ATTENTION FROM THE POLITICIANS SO THEY’LL CHANGE THE LAW!
Are you people so stupid that you have to have EVERYTHING explained to you? If we were allowed get married, we wouldn’t need attention. Seriously stupid question.

I thought pride was a sin? I’m not religious, so I’ll be proud if I want thanks.

I know lots of gay catholics who are proud of being both. You can be a proud catholic. Doesn’t automatically follow that you can deny civil mariage to people of other faiths, of no faith or even of your own faith. This isnt about church marriage: it’s about civil marriage. Your catholic marriage is not affected in any way at all.

Cormac, I don’t think anyone said it’s not ok to be Proud and Catholic. If people want to be proud of their faith that is their own personal choice. One they must examine and base on their experiences and knowledge of same.

However, there is no room in law for any one religious belief system to be favoured in civil legislation. We are talking about civil law, therefore this is a civil secular rights discussion. This is not the court of the holy see or any other theocratic system. Civil law is for all of society not just those who espouse certain beliefs.

Civil marriage is anything but marriage. Just because I dress up as a ghost or ghoul on Halloween doesn’t actually make me one.

Gays like Mulligan have an obsession with being proud its called Gay pride. Everyone else though he can shower with abuse. It is called being Matt Mulligan.

Also the facts.

What has any of that got to do with your march? Why even bring it up? Bullying catholics.

their BELIEFS which I don not subscribe to, neither to which the state is meant to subscribe but which they still expect to determine the civil law of this secular country. So yeah, I did

There are something like 150 material dfferences between Civil Partnership and Civil Marriage. The worst offenders being the lack of protection and recognition for the children being raised in such unions. see http://www.marriagequality.ie.

There are numerous differences Cormac. Far too many to list here. Please refer to the Acts and to published information by GLEN.ie

That school marmish reply is cutting no ice. “Speak nicely to us or you’re not getting any ice-cream?” Puh-lease! I saw a lot of the crap posted on Lucinda Creighton’s FB page and it made me cringe. But, thankfully, it does not represent the majority of gay people. Many of us were disgusted and embarassed by it. But that is a side issue, as you well know. Politicians make public pronouncements and receive support and/or flak as a result: nobody but the most egocentric is ever surprised by it. As for Gay Mitchell, his comment about not wating anything that “would weaken marriage” was either a non-sequitor or a reluctance to support gay civil marriage. “Let the hare sit” basically means “let’s wait and see how long we can get away with this.” Can he or anyone actually say HOW marriage would be affected by extending civil marriage to same sex couples? I have yet to see those reasons articulated.

Lucinda Creighton has more balls than her leader does.

Cindy…you seem to be confusing balls with bigotry and delusion!

Call her a bigot if that makes you feel better, but don’t expect any human being to change their views by being insulted.

A responsible approach to this is to put forward augments FOR gay marriage, not insults against those who oppose it.

There’s no point trying to change people like her if they’re set in their ways, it’s a waste of time.

And also, “your party” is showing a great way to govern in the way that you say we need to convince them by being nice. Are they not convinced by the polls or the marches like this today?

Marches and polls shouldn’t influence them but the arguments should. YFG is working hard to push marriage equality within the party and I think that will influence many more TDs to support our viewpoint.

I don’t believe that Lucinda or any of our other TDs are set in their ways. Debating the issues maturely is the way to go.

But if it’s a referendum issue then why don’t they hold a referendum? Or do they not want to be the party that let that vote happen? I said it about Fianna Fáil, I’d say it about any party that feels that it’s internal agreements and satisfactions are more important than what the people are asking for.

@ David, It does make me feel better…. and calling people like her a bigot and deluded is a most responsible approach because it is true. As for putting forward augments FOR gay marriage, I shouldn’t have to and I wont because it just buys into the hands of small minded people like Creighton. Human and civil rights should be a given not something to be argued about.

Your views Sarah will make a difference. Not easy to express you views against such a hostile audience but you go girl!!

“….gays love attention. They use the discrimination card to get what ever they want to moan about next. ”

Yeah, don’t tar everyone with the one brush when it’s about Catholics, but feel free to do it about gays. It’s amazing how much you tell about someone just from the amount of back talking and contradictory “logic” they use.

Sarah with all due respect everybody is aware that the cases of child rape and abuse that took place within that organization. They were not isolated incidents but on a massive scale not only in Ireland but on a massive scale world wide.The Vatican attempted to thwart justice and protected Pedophiles, even fed them new victims.
If the Roman Catholic Church was any other kind of organization (non religious) it would have been closed down and outlawed its leaders arrested and brought to trial. There is only one reason that this has not happened the Church is very powerful and its members refuse to accept the brutal disgusting truth.
The pathetic example that you provided of what happened in Norway etc is a very childish reaction. The main difference there is those were terrible isolated incidents. The Rape and abuse in the Catholic church was institutionalized.

That is your personal opinion and experience. But maybe just as you find natural parents sacred, their oppression causes them to constantly drag attention to themselves. Its psychological. It isnt that long Ireland even half accepted gay rights, and gay people act out on this, they celebrate it and I dont really see it as a bad thing to want to celebrate. Gays dont want to mimic sacred Christian marriage – they want equal rights. The want to raise children is not created by Christianity.

But you said all gay people were attention seekers! And you have said that gays live an unnatural life, so if you have gay friends show them all you’ve said here and if they stay your friend then I’d be gobsmacked.

Did you actually just write that?…. o.O

Unfortunately us gays love the GAA, bit of a clash in relation to timing.

@ dimmynobrain…there was 4,000 to 5,000 actually

As a result, not as a requirement.

Wow, that’s really useful information – all those mixed sex couples spending thousands on IVF could save themselves a wad of cash by opting for a wedding instead.

Or does the "marriage=babies" rule only apply to same-sex couples?

Sarah I agree with you. Eoghan myself and my wife had to under go ivf. Don’t dish it. I can tell you now that it is very strict and there is no way a legitimate clinic would entertain a gay couple. Sarah is right here. I recently had a similar disagreement with a friend who is gay and thought I mean really believed that gay couples could just go in to a clinic get "spare" eggs/sperm and have their baby, when I corrected this person they then told me that they could just buy an African baby " gaybe" gays make little of conceiving a child and marriage because they know nothing about it, how dare any gay talk about ivf

So some gays do and some don’t? Bit of a far cry from your earlier sentiments, but we wouldn’t have to march if we were allowed get married.
Cos then we won’t have anything to march for, we’d be properly equal and maybe society would be better for me and for my family who want me to be equal and for my friends who want to be treated equal and for the kids who kill themselves every year, or live in fear because of this, the last state sponsored acceptable form of discrimination.
In fact you’d never hear from us again, not from me anyway.

Your friends are not the definition of ‘gay’ Sarah. Im sure many prefered to stay home while others didnt. The people that are there are not the population of the gay community. Your argument is childish and a sweeping statement.

Never assume MM

But I have made my personal choice not to have kids Sarah. Can I get married now? Please? Can I get married to the person i love just because i love them? I don’t want children.

A strong union can be made between a man and a woman who adopt a child and the child may never know they are adopted. Do you say these people must not adopt? Or do you find some kind of childish outdated idea that a man and a woman are so different they are ideally womanly and manly and that environment is the only environment suitable for a child? Open your mind a tiny bit. If a single woman can raise a family two people of the same sex can exceptionally raise a family.

No. You can just teach the world to live in the 21st Century.

It really is not Sarah, you put yourself into this argument with your personal experiences & ideals in mind.

Because you keep saying the only reason you’re against gay marriage is because of the child factor. I’m just wondering if there’s something else that bothers you about two men or two women who love eachother and since im now only talking purely about that love and not and love related to children you should have no problem with someone who doesn’t want to have children engaging in a same sex marriage.

So, do you?

Sarah thats what needy homosexuals want approval , or their lifestyle is a lie.

Rita, pointing out the obvious is hardly a post.

Boom! Haha :)

Boom, headshot!

Chances of a rebuttal from the phobes? Slim.

Exactly and as you put it it was not a happy adoption, and you also did say you think a union between man and woman is sacred because you did not have it. I did not have it either, and I dont really think any sort of marriage is more sacred than another. Marriage is love between two people willing to build their lives together.
What if we put a different word on same sex marriage with all the same rights in place? Would that make it right? If you are straight of course you would glorify your ideal of marriage and children over gay marriage and vice versa – it is opinion and taste. I am straight but I honestly do not see any reason my friends should they ever get married to not have a child, the only barrier is biology. If one is not religious and does not believe man and woman have their bodies for specific functions there should be no reason they shouldnt adopt. Looking at the evidence Matt gives… What problem is involved with same sex families? It is only an ideal people have in their minds – man and woman. Culture changes, minds change, psychology changes.

@ Sarah…Im not surprised…if you were mine Id give you away too you fuckin loony!

Rita, you didn’t even read my post properly. I said my adoption was a happy time not a bad experience. It was my natural parents situation which was bad. Can you not even read properly and understand a post.

Cormac, Fortunately you were not my parents. They were unwell. They were not just unkind and nasty like you. Calling me a loony makes you feel smart. Shallow, hollow and rude, insulting and rude is all your comment is.

Oh its Glenn Carroll not Cormac now.

Why are you even bothering posting anymore and clogging up my email with your replies? Actually give up your troll minded replies by now… Just stop.

Rita, I’m sorry.

Right, I see 17 years of evidence doesn’t change your mind at all. Well what’s the other reason to get married Sarah, please enlighten me. Because to me and probably millions of people marriage is about love. Is that the other reason? And if so do you think two people of the same sex can love each other? Yes or no, simple question but there’ll be a telling answer.

The world does not always spin in accordance to natural biology, and thats a fact. So I dont understand why children who are put up for adoption should not have same sex parents instead of a man and a woman who would also not be their biological parents. Also, as culture and the world progresses to be more radical than it was before – do you not believe the ideology of ‘man’ and ‘woman’ is slowly being fused into one? As they become more equal (slowly) do you not see that soon the only difference between man and woman will be their sex? Sex will always be the same, but gender changes with culture. It is not all black and white as it was before where the woman would stay home and the man would work. So why should same sex couples not progress?

But a same-sex marriage can’t be good?

But do you not believe they would be supportive and good to you if they were both the same sex?

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Well there we have it, a same-sex marriage can’t be good. What’s the other reason for a couple to get married Sarah if they definitely don’t want children? LOVE. But you say only love is part of the reason – for some people it’s the only reason. What’s the point in there being children in any marriage if there’s no love between the parents?

No, there’s differences pertaining to that that aren’t even got to do with children, and before you say “we’ll fix the differences” and marriage and civil partnership are basically the same, they’ll never be the same until they’re both spelled M-A-R-R-I-A-G-E.

???

Thats getting into a whole different area not involving this argument.

Does it bother you if they love eachother? And I’m talking about two people of the same sex who have no physical or mental diseases or disabilities (since you seem to think marriage isn’t for sick people).

Stop clutching at straws. A schizophrenic that is in treatment and a recovering Alcoholic can have a perfectly functioning marriage that is a non argument.

Avoidance Sarah, I already got rid of those and also, it’s civil marriage, not religion. By saying what you said about mentally ill people even though I explicitly said that the couple in this hypothetical situation had no mental illnesses, are you insinuating that homosexuality is a mental disease?

But as you said… ‘Why is it so important to get my approval or disapproval?” – Its not important because now you are arguing for marriage altogether instead of the issue we were discussing – same sex marriage. The problems you find can be found in hetrosexual and homosexual marriages. Matt simply asked about same sex marriages rather than marriage as a whole. I think this argument between us is over now.

What vows would prevent anybody from marrying ?

I repeat what vows are you referring to?

OK Sarah, that without doubt is a terrible situation when both people refuse to or are unable to get help.

And it only took a couple of hours to show that your problem doesn’t actually lie with children being brought up by same sex couples, it lies with you not wanting other people to have the same rights you have.

The reasoning you gave was that you didn’t make the laws, so to be honest it was a stupid answer, passing the buck on to someone else. But whatever, i had a nice time at the march today and when I’m older if I can’t get married here I’ll go to one of the many countries or cities or jurisdictions and think of you on my honeymoon night ;)

You didnt make the laws… But it would be a disaster if you did. Yeah he didnt write anything else except the insults because everyone else here has to read your one lined bullshit based on your own personal experiences nobody cares about and has nothing to do with the argument.

Rita, my comment was to the chap who made the post not you.

Not my problem Sarah! It’s recognised in much less backwards countries than here!

No. Answer my question? Why can’t they?

Why, does it not feel good to have that answer out in the open? I was within my rights to ask why you objected, is that not why you were commenting? Ok bye bye

Of course if you read my arguments already you’d see my counter argument to this. …All that said I will be one to raise my family by being a wife and I would have a husband. Im just arguing against prejudice and what I see as outdated. But you know my argument, and that is yours. Fair enough.

Eh what? The article right up there is part of a wider set of articles that report, repeatedly and consistently, poll after poll showing that we do favour extension if marriage rights to same sex couples.

You’re also someone who believes that homosexuality is a mental disease and can be cured by therapy so you are clearly someone who is disturbed and spends too much time thinking about homosexuals yourself.

@Matt

You’re being unfair. And as I posted above, I’ve seen “cured” homosexuals marching in the states. And it’s a topical issue, so I do think about it, yes. I think about lots of things.

It seems your talking bollox Maurice…4000 to 5000 turned up actually. And no, homosexuals cannot be cured because there is nothing to cure, this is scientific fact! I think your friend who thinks he/she was ‘cured’ was actually brain washed, probably by someone as deluded as yourself.

Who is even speaking to you anymore? Really like.

I know of literature that tells of heteros becoming homosexuals through progression in sexual addiction. It appears they cross lines and adopt all the values of gays, and have gay sex etc. Apart from that, no, I’ve never heard of a mature heterosexual becoming gay.

Yes, I concede there are unqualified exorcisms and I don’t agree with what you describe.
But if it’s a false, dangerous belief, how do you explain the hundreds of “cured” homosexuals I saw in the states. They exist. You may argue that they were never gay in the first place, but they all claim to have been 100% gay and have managed to change their orientation. It’s very interesting, wouldn’t you agree?

What are gay values Maurice?

And it’s not as interesting as the pastors and therapists of these places that end up being found out as being homosexuals themselves, and who have made a lot of money off of the gullible.

Attraction to people of the same sex. Emotional, romantic, physical etc. That’s what I meant.

So you meant gay, not gay values. Because gay “values” has connotations of a certain code that gay people would live by and never change from. Almost like an agenda. But yeah, simple mistake. And I’d love to know where you happened to come across these “hundreds of “cured” homosexuals” in the states. Were they all together in one big group or something?

They marched as a group some years ago in NY to share their stories with anyone who would listen, and to give the lie to the belief that sexual orientation is as fixed as some would imagine.

It’s not fixable. And the people who run these organisations turn out to be gay themselves and have made a lot of money off of the gullible, poor people who go to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeqT8brQaOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcWygr8vEM

there’s many more stories of people like this, and others.

@Matt

I just watched the first video. You’ve given me food for thought.
However, the people I’m referring to were all adult gays who say they’ve been changed to hetero through spiritual principles. I feel sorry for kids who have to go through what was shown in the video, but it’s a different issue.

No it’s not a different issue, either it’s curable or it isn’t, either it’s dangerous or it isn’t and either it’s possible or it isn’t. And it is most definitely not curable, impossible, but extremely dangerous.

@swimtwobirds

Care to elaborate on that?

No Maurice, I think that covers it.

Maurice they aren’t "cured". They ARE gay. Thayer are still engaging in gay sex, just on the down low. If you think otherwise, you are a fool.

Oops, typo. Damn iPad.

Ah go on,go on, go on away now Mrs Doyle with your cup of tea.

Findings? For the love of god please.

Matt stop pushing you gay ideas on other people, there is more to life than gays! Get over it. A referendum is needed.

Well I’m gay so all of my ideas are gay unfortunately. If you have such a problem with gay ideas why are you on this page? And when someone tells me NO you can’t do this, only straight people can, then it’s a bit difficult to get over, especially when there’s only idiocy and stupid rhetoric coming form the other side instead of evidence or facts or proper arguments.

and it’s a thread about gays, what else would I be fucking talking about?

Mr. G I agree with you.

Mr g – enough already, either say you disapprove of gay marriage, or you disapprove of gay people, but enough with the passive aggressive ‘don’t push your gay agenda on me’ bulls**t. It doesn’t fly.

He didn’t ‘write an interesting piece,’ he floated something that sits between anecdotal and apocryphal – read the response with links detailing what those organizations are about, and the way they prey on gay people in difficult emotional circumstances.

@swimtwobirds

Apocryphal? These people weren’t in difficult emotional circumstances to my knowledge. I think you’re the idiot.

can you not see by now sarah that you should stop posting by the mass dislike of anything you write?

I don’t need your permission Rita to write or shut up. I’ll decide for myself so don’t worry yourself about it.

No really Sarah – don’t bother – it’s total manipulative bullish**t.

Looks like you haven’t made that cup of tea and you haven’t learnt the distinction between Reply and Add New Comment. The thread is becoming unreadable.

Careful Maurice, as a heterosexual if you get too angry, and sneeze at the same time, your sexual orientation flips. I’m serious – you turn gay on the spot. A Yorkshire terrier told me that in a park. And if you’re gay and you stand in the street while people scream at you ‘don’t be gay’ you turn straight, it’s just amazing Maurice. I read all this on the Internet. Or maybe it was on a piece of toilet paper – I can’t quite remember. But just be careful Maurice. If you can exorcise the gay out, you can sneeze the gay in. That’s the important thing for you to remember Maurice. This makes sense to you right?

Yeah Maurice, encourage her to look about them, but not about the stuff that I showed you that you just admitted gave you food for thought. Is it just one huge game of oneupmanship here? Do you not actually care about what’s truth and what’s false?

@swimtwobirds

I think you’re drunk. You’re not even a funny drunk.

Nice try ad hominem Maurice. You’re still pretty stupid, and not a fun stupid.

Maurice I don’t think swintwobirds is drunk and I think he/she is both funny and shows you just how ridicules, out dated and bigoted your beliefs are.

Well, you have a long way to go yet in Ireland. A referendum would be defeated. Then what? And what’s on the agenda after that? Age of consent? I think the Constitution will be changed to reflect marriage as between one man and one woman like in many US States.

At no time did you stop being an idiot Maurice – at no time.

The fact you assume gay people want to change the age of consent, coupled with your stupid delusion about homosexuality being curable shows that you just have a problem with gays.

Mrs Doyle, go away with your cup of tea. I already said no thanks.

IT IS CLEARLY NOT WITHIN MY TALENTS TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC ON A FORUM LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF MY FIRM BELIEFS ON THIS ISSUE BUT I GENUINELY AM SORRY FOR ANY HURT WHICH MY COMMENTS CAUSED DESPITE MY OPPOSITE VIEWS AND BELIEFS.