Exactly. I have a great set of kitchen knives that someone /could/ abuse to maim or kill, but does that mean we should ban all knives? Obviously not.

All women will on the journal that’s no surprise lol

Shane you will find that not all women will agree with my views!

Opinions are like arseholes everyone has one:)

I just don’t like men who don’t have a womb having any say on what a woman does with hers!! Nobody knows how they are going to react if they find out they are pregnant (unless its planned)

How many men have said they would be there for the women only to walk into the sunset a few weeks later saying they aren’t ready to be a father and the women has to go through pregnancy alone??? It’s alright for the men to walk away but a women has to suck it up!!

Abortion should be an option it’s the 21st Century for god sakes!!!

No it’s the capital city, has triple the population, the best transport links and is where most of the colleges etc where such things are taught are located.

Hence it’s natural that they are concentrated there. Not saying its correct, but its hardly a shock.

Nice chip btw

triple the population of “where” exactly? Most of the Colleges are located in Dublin? Ucc, ucg, ul, gmit, lit, cit Itt, letterkeny it cit Wit,

Dublin has its british college ie..trinity, its catholic founded college…ucd and dcu…a few i t’s, hardly most of the “colleges”

so only residents of capital cities have a right to certain psychiatric tratments?

that is world renowned “capital city logic”, unfortunately.

You seem very upset Al have you tried Rennie?

@pierce……contract signed……can’t play for the other side…….

@Al, there is a transfer window coming up, I hear Gaviscon are looking for a new centre half.

@pierce………gonna stay where i am with my buddy Ant Acid

Nice chip, Al.

my contract with mr seltzer prevents me from having chips….

What’s that big massive one doing on your shoulder so? Get out of bed and look out the window. I’m the guy sitting in the car with binoculars.

how can pointing out that western people seem to have no right to a psychiatrist turn into having a chip on my shoulder…..

only dubs cud say dat…..

I’m from Mayo. So wrong again!

in order to be “wrong again” one would have to be wrong in the first place……

Al K is never wrong

Good for you, but you do know that sometimes contraception fails and that sometimes women and girls become pregnant after being raped?

And are you still using pregnancy as a punishment for ‘careless’ women? Do you think these careless people will make great parents then?

You must be so proud of yourself Shane. Pat yourself on the back there.

Just shows u care makes perfection Penelope

That sentence makes absaloutley no sense. Learn to write correctly before you try discredit years of research concluding that there is no completely infallible method of contraception.

No there is not as I said already but if I use a condom and she uses a contraceptive the chances of me getting her pregnant and nearly irrelevent! It’s about taking proper care on both sides! If u read the article and my responses I agree with abortion under certain conditions

You admit that there are no completely and thoroughly reliable methods of contraception. So therefore, the couples that use these types of protection can, although rare, still become pregnant once they are both relatively fertile. Are you denying that is possible? Because if you accept that than I still don’t understand why couples who DO take precautions, who DO exercise responsibility must still be denied a choice because a few ”careless” couples might not. How does that make sense?

Right if I use a condom and she uses the best form of contraception(some are better then others) and we both take care using them, to answer your question no she won’t get pregnant! I’m not been cocky but I have had lots of sex(since 16 I’m now 26) and by your negative aspects on contraception I should by now have had an “accident” but I havnt so no if both take care she won’t get pregnant

She might get pregnant Shane. It’s rare but absaloutley possible. You are either ignorant of contraceptive statistics or just trying to outweigh it with your own ridiculous logic. Either way, I’m quite done here.

Ah stop will ya lol it would want to be some mishap with a bar in her arm and me a condom on for her to get pregnant! Contraception is good and positive on both front! Why look at it mainly negatively?

Nope, consenting to sex is not the same as consenting to pregnancy. For one thing, I use contraception(and would get a tubal ligation in a heartbeat if I could find a doctor willing to do so). If it failed, I would have an abortion, and luckily since I emigrated to the UK my wishes in that regard are respected.

If you go skiing and break your leg, are you duty-bound to do nothing about it? After all, you consented to the skiing, and that’s a dangerous business.

Wouldn’t

Let’s worry about the majority for the moment.
Half the population of the planet are not homicidal maniacs.

Even if there are, that’s no reason to deny the rest of us our right to end unwanted, unviable or dangerous pregnancies.

Not really sure what your trying to say Shane. But at a guess you are claiming that some women may claim to be suicidal to avail of abortion in Ireland? That’s why those claiming to be suicidal will be evaluated by psychiatrists. Hopefully that answers your question.

Read the article. It will be far easier for a woman to take the boat/plane as is the procedure at present, than go thro the act of manipulating the process. So are u advocating denying those in need just in case an odd 1 try’s it on????

Sry Shane but the simple fact that u do not have a womb bars u from putting anything on this topic ‘ in a nutshell’

So you think women should be punished for being careless by being forced to have babies?

But if and when the pregnancy is causing the woman we impregnate untold pain stress and worry then as 1 man I would not want to inflict that upon her. When a pregnancy brings joy and happiness to a couple it and resulting birth and child is best feeling ever for both parents. But unfortunately that is not always the case. And it is those cases we are debating. As women more often that not end up carrying the burden thro life then it their choice.

Pal I have seen young girls distraught at becoming pregnant and then Wnt true pregnancy and were delerious at birth

That’s nice for them Shane, but not every woman would feel deliriously happy at having a child.

@Shane

Women are not incubators. Jeez, can’t believe some people still think like this.

And babies are not there to be aborted true carelessness either

Babies happen, Shane. The only way to be 100% sure you won’t have babies is a steel chastity belt. You can’t just dismiss every single unwanted pregnancy in history as mere ‘carelessness’.

As I said Jessica most weren’t happy at first but delerious at birth

Then Shane I would suggest that you and the rest of the men out there practice safe sex to ensure that babies are not conceived ! Then we would not be having this discussion !

Still not a good enough reason to deny the rest of us treatment. There are plenty of men good at acting too, but I get the impression most of them end up in government rather than being grilled by psychiatrists.

Sure if that’s the case Jessica abortion should be handed at will lol

It should indeed! No woman should be forced to remain pregnant against her will. I’m glad you agree.

I don’t agree that was said in sarcasm hence my comment below

Shame, then. I believe women know what’s best for their our lives and our own bodies, so I think abortion should be totally legalised and the decision left up to the pregnant woman herself.

Not always, sometimes they end up pregnant by mistake so clearly decision making aren’t this groups strong point!! I joke I joke I joke!!!

If people are having unprotected sex and not worrying about becoming pregnant, that’s an issue for sex education, not banning abortion. No educated woman would choose to have an abortion over using a condom or taking a pill.

See that’s where your totally wrong! Education doesn’t come into it for some extra pleasure does

Being on the Pill doesn’t change sexual pleasure at all. Having a vasectomy doesn’t make sex feel worse. There are plenty of contraceptive options that don’t change how sex feels, and your continued insistence that ‘some people’ are careless hedonistic dolts is a bit insulting to those of us who aren’t but still see the need for abortion services.

I’m talking about condoms! Both parties should use contraception not just one

Condoms are just one option, even if sadly it’s still the only non-permanent method available to men. But there are, as I pointed out, plenty of ways to have sex and use contraception without affecting how it feels. If you want STD protection then yes, condoms are your only option.

It all comes down to educating people as to why they should be using contraception and STD protection. Banning abortion isn’t going to change that one iota.

As I keep saying Jessica if your properly careful on the law of averages u won’t get pregnant

Shane, could I suggest getting a hobby instead of worrying about hypothetical situations and what women do with their own bodies? Its exhausting to read your comments to be honest.

Shane, your profile says your life motto is “I do what I want”. So you can do what you want, but them pesky little women better do what you tell them to?
Also your other motto is “if in doubt, whip it out”
Don’t even bother wasting time arguing with this immature little boy people.

The law of averages? You do know those statistics indicate that women /do/ get pregnant while using contraception through no fault of their own, don’t you?

‘It’s really unlikely’ is a crap reason to outlaw women’s rights to bodily integrity.

All jokes on a fb page do u read everything literally? Lmao

So ur saying a women should allow a guy to ejaculate inside her and then say when she’s pregnant ” ah sure I can have an abortion”

I have loads a hobbies Aine I just have an opinion on abortion like many others

Yes, I’m aware they were meant as “jokes”. That’s why I said immature little boy.

Plus u weren’t aware lol you read them literally and not how they were intended haha

So enlighten me, what is the actual joke then?

U took my comments on my fb page as literally EXACTLY how I do things in life not as 2 lighthearted comments lol

Hence my comment do u read everything literally as its written lol

I’m still confused. Still, at least I made you lol a lot, so my day wasn’t a waste.

On the topic at hand, I think your views are plain wrong, thankfully, I also think they are in the minority. But they are your views, you’re entitled to them.
I’m glad people with the ability to see the grey areas are the ones making the decisions.

Shane, you seem to have a very low opinion of people in general if you think men and women regularly have reckless unprotected sex and go ‘ah sure we can just have an abortion’ – Abortion is legal in many circumstances in most countries all over the world, and this still doesn’t happen. Educated women will never choose an abortion over an easier, safer and cheaper method of contraception.

The hypothetical situations you’re proposing are practically fantasies.

Your not confused at all! You thaught my fb comments were exactly intended as written and not 2 lighthearted comments! Plus wait till the referendum that’s if there is one but I’d bet one thing, abortion will not be legalised here under all conditions

Yes. I really thought you ran around with your willy out.
Or perhaps I just think anybody who thinks saying that is their motto for life is an immature little boy.
And, just to help you out, it’s “you’re not your”.

all those young girls who “accidentally” get pregnant are educated 2 from school! Education doesn’t come into this common sense does! Both as I said already should use protection! A man a condom a woman a pill, coil etc etc! Also as I have said if u have consensual unprotected sex u run the risk of pregnancy something u should deal with after needlessly running that risk! Also It’s not like I don’t agree with abortion! As I have said I deal with it in certain areas!

Shane, quit getting so excited. Put the exclamation marks down, consider going back to school yourself and improving that awful grammar instead…

Your mistake is that you’re applying your own morality to the lives of women you don’t know, assuming that a woman who wants an abortion is by default selfish, a liar, reckless or stupid. You don’t know anything about her, so kindly quit your excitable hypothetical theorising and let women get on with their lives in peace.

As for “something u should deal with after needlessly running that risk!” – that’s /exactly/ what abortion is. Dealing with an unwanted consequence.

A consequence that would not have happened if u took proper care! As I already stated the majority of unwanted pregnancies are caused through carelessness whether you want to admit it or not! Bring in abortion under conditions! Some that spring to mind are rape, child detected with severe disability, life of mother at risk and genuine suicidal feelings!

Or you just take everything literally and seriously as you just have with my fb comments lol! Lighten up a tad

Actually according to research by BPAS in the UK, most women who request abortion were using contraception when they became pregnant, but it failed for various reasons. That’s not irresponsibility, is it?

Why do you believe in punishing women who made mistakes or just plain got unlucky in the contraception stakes by forcing them to remain pregnant against their wills? Why is abortion permissible in the cases of rape, foetal abnormality, risk to the mother’s life or ‘genuine’ suicidal ideation(vom, btw) but not when the pregnant woman just doesn’t want to be pregnant, doesn’t want/can’t raise a child or doesn’t want to face the risks to her health and her family’s welfare that pregnancy entails?

What is wrong with not wanting to be pregnant, Shane? I’m sure that as a young man you can tell me all of the pros and cons that I surely haven’t considered myself.

One question u have answered for me yet as this is getting tedious! What about the life of the child growing inside you that you and your partner created?

Havnt

What about it? I don’t want it inside of me putting my health at risk, and I can’t just pop it out and put it in a womb-tank to let it grow in there and be adopted eventually, so I’ll have an abortion. That is what my reaction to an unwanted pregnancy would be, and my partner agrees with my stance on the matter. Your opinion has no bearing on /my/ body.

So you have no problem in killing the life of a child formed through consensual sex?

As I explained earlier, consenting to sex does not imply that pregnancy is also consented to. So yes, I have exactly zero problem with aborting an unwanted child, particularly when done as early as possible in pregnancy.

Also that study statistic u gave! It said the female contraceptive did not work properly! Did it say how many of the males were using condoms? I bet not! There is contraception for 2 and this is another case of “unwanted” pregnancies, a woman lettin a bf husband whatever ejaculate inside her just because she’s on a contraceptive, big mistake

Over 60% were using condoms, actually, and most of the rest were on the pill or had IUDs. It doesn’t say how many were combining condoms with other methods, but even a woman with an IUD, on the pill and using a condom can get pregnant. It’s a small chance, but it’s still a chance.

And since you demanded I answer your question instead of answering any of mine, here’s one I would like to see your answer to:

What is wrong with not wanting to be pregnant, Shane? I’m sure that as a young man you can tell me all of the pros and cons that I surely haven’t considered myself.

Exactly just gonna say very minimal, just read infact a 2 % chance so really it’s nearly a no chance! As I have said all along be properly careful male and female and u will be fine! Be careless and face the consequences

Get your tubes tied or stop having sex or get your partner to have the snip. There is some solutions lol
Not wanting to be pregnant? U go to every means possible to avoid it, get on the best contraceptive( think bar on arm is very effective) and have him use 2 condoms

Well, you’re certainly giving me hope for the future of the human race. A lamentable lack of grammatical and spelling prowess and a complete failure to understand the concept of statistics.

2% is in fact a massive percentage. When you’re talking about a population of millions of people having sex, 2% suddenly becomes tens of thousands of unwanted pregnancies. What are you going to say to all those women finding themselves pregnant against their wishes, Shane? ‘Bad luck, you’re having a baby whether you like it or not’?

Continue refusing to engage with reality. Please continue using contraception, as many kinds as you can manage.

I’d love to get a tubal ligation, but doctors generally refuse to perform them on healthy young childless women, so I have to wait til I’m at least 30 to be considered.

And… oh my god, did you actually suggest using two condoms at once? Did you really just say that? Do you know anything about condoms at all? Using two at once is incredibly stupid because it hugely increases the chance of them both breaking. Don’t do that, ever.

I will no problem aswel as she does and in the last ten years I have got no girl pregnant and will continue to do so untill I want kids :)

No condom was joke!
I’d say ur just one of these women who hasn’t a maternal bone in her body are you? Just an impression I’m getting

I’m not really the mothering type, no. You keep on not having kids til you want some, and I’ll do the same.

Now I see why your views are so strong

Well yes, I’m concerned that my right to control my own reproductive system seems to be completely ignored or sidelined by many in this type of debate. The idea that not only do some women not want children but that falling pregnant will not magically change our minds about it either seems not to occur to some people or is regarded as outright selfishness or inhumanity.

There’s nothing selfish or wrong about not wanting children, but for some reason women who don’t want to be pregnant are regarded as weird or broken – often by men who have no personal role in the whole process of being pregnant anyway.

Would u tell a potential serious partner that you do not want kids before ye start a serious relationship?

Absolutely. I would never sleep with someone, much less enter into a long-term relationship with them, unless I was sure they felt the same as I do about potential pregnancy. In my current long-term relationship my partner fully supports my desire not to have children and he feels the same way.

Jaysus Shane, ten years of sex of and no pregnancy yet.
Are ya sure you’re doing it right?
Are you on your own when you’re having all this sex? Cause that doesn’t count ya know.

That’s perfect so! Both of ye in the one position

I’m just careful and sensible and so are the girls I’m with! Unlike those who have “unwanted” pregnancies lol

Wow, you really don’t get it do you? Unwanted pregnancies happen to plenty of careful and sensible people. In fact, they mostly happen to careful and sensible people. They are not the sole preserve of irresponsible or stupid people – as you are so helpfully demonstrating.

I hope you never have to deal with an accidental pregnancy, your head might explode from the sheer impossibility of such a thing happening to someone being ‘careful’…

Unwanted pregnancies don’t happen to the male and female who both use contraceptives! Going by your theory( as i have said allready I’d have gotten a girl pregnant by now but I havnt because I’m properly careful and they are and no carelessness is inhibited

Once again: contraceptives can and do fail, and it has nothing to do with how careful you are whether they do or not. Unless you literally never have sex or are totally infertile, there is always a chance you could get your partner pregnant.

I hope you are both in agreement about what you’d do if it ever happens to you, and I wish you’d cop on and realise what an eejit you sound assuming it could never possibly happen to you and that everyone who has ever had an unwanted pregnancy is just careless.

I no it could happen and for it to definitely not happen I should stop having sex and everyone at that matter but me using a CONDOM and her on a CONTRACEPTIVE both at same time the chances are very very minimal unless your a complete dimwit with the uses of contraception! And you saying most unwanted pregnancies come when both parties are takin care is bullshit pure horse manure

Right, because you know for sure that all those thousands of unplanned pregnancies that happen every year are caused by sheer idiocy. In which case, I’m frankly astonished you’ve not managed it yourself yet.

Caused by idiocy or only one partner using a contraceptive! As I said already I’m careful, I use it, she uses it, im careful with any girl and make sure she is 2 before going there! Might be tedious and less enjoyable when I use a condom but it stops pregnancies!

Did you not even read the article? Using that line of reasoning to declare all women perfidious liars is pretty damn insulting.

You’re right Shane, those sneaky women would have no trouble mimicking the symptoms of depression and conning a trained mental health expert into thinking they were depressed. My bad.

U want to qualify that adage by telling us who said it?? I’m sure being forced to carry a pregnancy that is causing untold stress and pain is far from the best feeling a woman can get.

…by being a trained psychologist?

I’d give them the benefit of doubt to be honest, because if you don’t you could end up with a dead woman and no pregnancy to be worrying about anyway.

Nonsense . There is no experts in these areas .

Don’t have sex with someone who doesn’t share your view on babies! Don’t marry them either! That’s the mistake there.

Would you force the woman you supposedly loved to bear your child even if she didn’t want it?

@Shane

That’s just crazy talk. How about we just agree that every individual (men and women) enjoy bodily autonomy and leave it at that?

@Shane i can say what i want, do what i want, act how i want and thats the best part of life and i love it. SHAME women can’t

Not every woman wants children, so not all of us would feel like pregnancy is ‘one of the best feelings for a women’. It has its risks and downsides, which are willingly faced by women who do want to be pregnant – but shouldn’t be forced on those who don’t.

Dismissing serious depression as a ‘stage’ is what leads to suicides…