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An Bord Pleanála raises concerns over Luas connector

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PLANNING AUTHORITIES HAVE raised concerns over the planned connector between Dublin’s two Luas lines – saying it may have to be closed and even dismantled if other major construction projects go ahead.

The Luas BXD link-up was the only one of three significant public transport projects to get the green light in the Government’s review of capital spending last year. The other two, the Metro North and Dart Underground schemes, were shelved until economic conditions are better.

But in a letter to the Railway Procurement Agency, An Bord Pleanála has flagged potential problems. It says if authorities in the capital decided to continue with the other projects at a later date, the BXD link would have to be closed during the lengthy construction period.

The Luas connector was originally scheduled to be constructed after the two underground rail projects, meaning it could simply be built over the top. If the order is reversed, this would no longer be possible.

The letter identifies several sites where the projects would clash – on O’Connell Street, Westmoreland Street and Stephen’s Green. It states:

It is not clear to the Board that the approved Metro North underground infrastructure [...] can be constructed while maintaining an operational Luas BXD service at ground level, or that such an approach is viable from a technical or economic perspective.

The letter adds that planners would have “reservations about the acceptability” of a scenario under which the Luas line could be torn up only a short time after opening.

It asked the RPA to carry out further feasibility inspections and make submissions as to how the problems raised would be dealt with.

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  • Burned Toast 06/02/12 #
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    Jeeks lads, this needs to happen! Don’t put stupid spanners in the works please!!

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  • john g mcgrath 06/02/12 #
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    Another fine mess you’ve got us into Leo !!!

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  • Darren Bates 06/02/12 #
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    DART Underground is still the most achievable, most needed, probably the cheapest, definitely the least disruptive and at this stage the only option that the government have left. You need to build in a recession, create labour – simple as that.

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    • Peter Carroll 06/02/12 #
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      Underground rail is the CHEAPEST???????

    • Ryan Allen 06/02/12 #
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      Very true about DART Underground. In terms of passengers it is by far the best of the three projects, however the problem is as always limited resources.

    • Stephen O'Connell 06/02/12 #
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      Shame the gobshites didn’t think of that during the tiger years. Instead of treating each surplus as a reason to crack open the champagne they should have realised that their forecasts were completely out of touch with reality. Had infrastructural constraints been allowed take some heat out of the economy instead of entering into contracts at extortionate rates we may have retained the means to invest now that investment is required…. but then prudent management of an economy isn’t necessarily conducive with our strokism.

  • Karl Doyle 06/02/12 #
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    That’s proof they do everything backwards.

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  • jimbo 06/02/12 #
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    I smell a rat,a big rat LEO VARADKAR!

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  • Darren Bates 06/02/12 #
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    Yeah Peter, less disruption and today building materials are very cheap. biggest cost would be the labour involved, but if it can take the construction workers back off the dole and give the economy a kick they should give it the green light

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    • Ultan Quirke 06/02/12 #
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      The specialised equipment and skills required for underground rail construction, or tunnelling in general are never cheap. The port tunnel comes to mind…

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    Undergrounds are not cheaper so i dont buy that. I presume tunneling would be involved so we dont that in Ireland very expensive.

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  • Frank2521 06/02/12 #
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    Never mind joined up Luas lines where is the joined up thinking between the planners in Irish Rail and the other party? Only in Ireland would this happen. Will anybody get the sack? NEVER no jobs and this oversight by the people involved should call heads to roll.

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    • Gavin O'Brien 06/02/12 #
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      That actually raises an interesting point. Why is there an RPA when we already had Irish Rail? Seems a bit stupid to me, why not let Irish Rail run the Luas from the start?

    • David 07/02/12 #
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      Because they’d make a balls of it like everything else

    • Gavin McDonnell 07/02/12 #
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      There should have been no luas from the start, Dublin is a small city and they can’t even pick one mode of public transport, metro, dart, dart underground, bus and luas???? There should be bus and an underground system which goes above ground in the suburbs, one name, one operator, one track system and one cost. Not the waste of money that will go into offices to run it

  • Darren Bates 06/02/12 #
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    perhaps cheapest isn’t a good word – good value is what I meant. It’s all about getting the best use out of the money you have. Dart Underground will cost more than the port tunnel, about 2 billion euro (extra cost due in part to station construction). (Bear in mind that this is 1/37th of the cost of NAMA). – but you’ll create a lot of jobs, provide a top quality rail service and decongest Connolly and open up Heuston!

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    • john g mcgrath 06/02/12 #
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      Well we just handed half of that 2 billion cost over without a whimper

    • Bilbo Baggins 06/02/12 #
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      Would completely agree, We are so numbed by billions numbers recently. Sure a second bailout @ 3% would be the cheapest money we could get to build such a project. Dart Underground would be the sensible choice. but hey……

    • David 07/02/12 #
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      Isn’t there already an idle underground tunnel between heuston and connolly?

  • Gav Callan 07/02/12 #
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    Build interconnector upwards on stilts like a motorway flyover. Will look ugly but won’t have to ever dig it up. Either that or go for a monorail, sure to work….

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  • Hugo Feighery 07/02/12 #
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    London can build Cross Rail and Dublin can’t get two tram lines over the Liffey joined up!?!

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  • Colm Flaherty 07/02/12 #
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    Well, that underground malarkey is pie in the sky, not gonna happen this decade. Build the interconnector & at least get some of the city moving. I’d be livid if construction was stopped for a plan which has been put on the long finger.

    It’s been done before. Anyone remember Pier C at Dublin Airport? How it was up for 10 years before being dismantled to make way for Terminal 2?

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    • Dave 07/02/12 #
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      It wasnt dismantled. It was integrated into the building and is now the link to Terminal one, and houses the airline lounges.

  • Mark osullivan 07/02/12 #
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    Is connecting the Lucas really that important?! Sure it’s only a short stroll
    From the two lines

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  • Conor Heffernan 07/02/12 #
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    i thought the advantage of underground rail was that it didnt interfere with things overground!

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  • Declan Flanagan 07/02/12 #
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    Dart Underground Metronorth Luas Bxd and Metrowest will all never be built EVER they will just run a shuttle bus service between both luas lines and they will upgrade the swords QBC to BRT and that’s it and we still won’t have a rail link to Dublin Airport but Edinburgh will,sums ireland up really just ask Moore Mc dowell,Colm Mc Carthy or Sean Barrett

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  • Declan Flanagan 07/02/12 #
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    @Gavin Mc Donnell you are correct in what you say its just they’re never ever be an undergound in Dublin,although they may privatise Dublin Bus I think Mortons are interested in running some of the routes REMEMBER THE OLD BUSES IN DUBLIN that is what we will get

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  • Declan Flanagan 07/02/12 #
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    @Gavin Mc Donnell you are correct in what you say its just they’re never ever be an undergound in Dublin,although they may privatise Dublin Bus I think Mortons are interested in running some of the routes REMEMBER THE OLD BUSES IN DUBLIN that is what we will get and that’s just the way it will be,why won’t they have one fare zone for all journeys with the leap card on Dublin Bus well Because its losing money and needs subvention from the state kinda like RTE

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