To be honest I’m a not national I’m legal here, I pay taxes I also have to pay school fees and my own medical service so for me is really unfair to legalise them, I mean some of us are breaking their backs working and studying so we can have a future, mean while some people take the easy way and please don’t tell me that I don’t know what they have been thru, I work during the night, I used to work for my bed in a hostel 72 hours just for my bed, and every year I have to pay for the visa to stay here, so is not about racism is about doing the right thing

If they do go ahead with it then it should come with a ” contract of residency” I.e if a single law is broken then they are automatically deported and by signing give up thier right of appeal in such a situation …. Be this a criminal act or even defrauding of social welfare system . For too long have we been seen as the soft touch of Europe.

The law is the law, there is never any justification for condoning breaking of the law, in this case breaking the laws of Irish immigration. Rewarding this type of behaviour would send the wrong message and serve no purpose other than to normalise another batch of cheap foreign labour who would no doubt be exploited by unscrupulous Irish employers or become a drain on society by leeching off our soft benefit system. Time and effort would be much better spent by forming a dedicated immigration branch of the Gardai or a new body that is dedicated to tracking down ILLEGAL immigrants and securing our borders.

These illegal’s have entered Ireland illegally and such should not be rewarded but instead prosecuted and or removed for breaking the law of this state, if they have something to offer Ireland they can apply through the normal legal channels.

why should we do this. the irish dont get this treatment in parts of the world and remember that our young people are leaving Ireland to find work every day while we discuss giving 30,000 illegals who have jobs the right to irish residency. its backwards we are going why dont we look after our own first the ones whos parents and grandparents have paid taxes and voted for Ireland.if the likes of america and Australia treat us the same then ok. but lets not get carried away

So what happens when you legalised the undocumented migrants? Is that another 30,000+ claiming benefits?

We have 400,000 plus umemployed, we have people coming from all over to live (not all want to work) here because we pay the most in social benefits.

Call me a racist if you like but this country is almost bankrupt, it’s time we look after our own first then worry about others!

As for the Irish undocumented in other countries – what happens when they are found out? They’re shipped home!

4000 signatures does not constitute a majority. If that were the case then we’d already have marriage between gay people but so far in polls, the majority want restrictions on immigration. Time to hold a referendum.

If these people are undocumented, how did they get here in the first place and why are employers not asking for their papers when they look for work?
Irish people cant get work here and people from outside the EU shouldnt be here unless an employer cant find someone from the EU to do the job.
Currently, 20% of the population are having 25% of the babies . We are too small a country to absorb the migrants we have. No other country of this size has taken in the number of migrants we have.
Its time to close borders.
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Don’t proposals like this totally undermine the efforts of migrants who come here through legal channels?

It’s unfair on those who moved here legally and pay their way. There’s too many here who don’t and it’s one of the biggest burdens on our economy, we simply can’t afford to put non-nationals on social welfare it’s ludicrous, we’ve too many of our own struggling on it.

I cant see it being passed to be honest

30,000 an estimation can become 300,000, who knows?

What a typically disastrous suggestion from this pointless organisation. Undocumented migrants should be deported immediately, as should any migrants with a criminal record, and indeed any who are unemployed or not involved in education or training. And before the PC brigade reply: I don’t care about the Irish in America, what I do care about is the social integrity of thus Island. Do we want ti be like Holland with 50% of our cities made up of Asian and African migrants? Do we want the whole range of social and religious problems that charcterise many European states? Do we want Dublin to be line Paris, The Hague, or Brussels? Islam, crime, welfare dependency? We need to think about the future of our country lest we blindly walk ourselves into a racial dead end led by the self righteous and naive anti racism brigade.

Contro , control control , Ireland is a very small state by global standards and our border management skills are pathetic considering the fact that we are an island makes it even more laughable how we got to this stage in the first place,is beyond me ,now it should be back to basics those who are not complient within the system should be sent away , as those Irish who are illegal in other countries should be treated likewise, if you are not complient then you get red carded,charity begins at home and since funding across the board has been cut then we should think well before we deciede how we spend our social budget,you are in or you are out if you are out then go, it still confuses me how a person from central africa can claim ireland as their first port of call for asylum when they have already passed through many other euro countries, lets draw a line in the sand now and start sending back the non compliant

Ship them out

Yeah sure document them then let them vote you back in …. Cheap way of buying some votes and screwing Irish people … Send these people back to where they came from

We must thread carefully here , our Government must seek more assistance from such Countries as South Africa who have the most experience in undocumented persons. We Irish have no idea as we have found with multiple social claims and such costing the state hundreds of millions.

It’s far more likely that they obtained their PPS numbers illegally, it goes something like this. European person comes to Ireland and legally obtains a PPS number, a year later decides to go home, one of their friends knows a guy or girl who will pay a few hundred euro for their PPS number and details and since they (EU person) have no intention of ever working in Ireland again they have no problem selling it on to the illegal immigrant. I have heard of several instances where polish friends were approached by Mauritian, Indian and South African illegal immigrants with a view to purchasing their PPS number, one French friend was also approached by an African for the same reason, all declined the offer of money for their PPS numbers but told me of instances were they knew people who had done it.

So anyone in the world can come here, stay here long enough and then get to stay here for good. Are you mad?

How many millions want to come and stay here, how many millions on hearing this, will be licking their lips and see Ireland as a soft touch, easy nation, populated by wimps and soft people, easy prey and easy to get around.

It is clear now there is an agenda to foist multiculture and its policy of immigration on us, to change Ireland from an indigenous Irish country into something that looks like New York. All very trendy and cool I am sure amongst the migrant rights and media groups.
Not so cool for the Irish people who have to live with the crime brought with these policies.

hi

Kay Liamani

A piece of paper does not make me a Chinese person nor does it make me a black African. The masai Mara tribe in Africa are not Orientals, their culture….made over 1000s of years was made purely by people from the same African peoples….not by Europeans or Japanese. I may go to their territory and be handed a piece of paper saying I am one of them because I donated some money or helped them with something, but the truth of the matter is, my ancestral heritage did not create the Masai Maraor their unique culture….only they and their black African people did that. (in reality, I would not be handed a piece of paper saying I am one of them, that is reserved only for the artificial social engineering programs of mass immigration of European countries)

The same can be applied to every indigenous people on earth. I am not an Oriental, I am not of their ancestral heritage, only a specific ancestral heritage went into making the Chinese culture and EVERY indigenous culture and that is what made them who they are. That is true diversity, what you speak of is anti-diversity. You can say whatever you want with the piece of paper, a product of an artificial construct of an unelected, un debated, undemocratic social engineering program, foisted on the Irish people and as such is quite illegal, null and void, but beyond that. The piece of paper cannot change your ancestral cultural heritage, which in facts terms, is not from this island and is not indigenous Irish. That is just a fact. Are the Irish ethnically Chinese, or other orientals, are we ethnically africans….no, and that is what I am saying to you. Pieces of paper do not change that.
We were never asked about this mass immigration and as it stands, those who implemented it, can be tried for treason, and all pieces of paper concerning it are legally null and void.

Kay Liamani

Furthermore . You say the Irish are the biggest migrants in history. Nonsense.

We are a very small nation, and in Africa there are countries with 100s of millions, whose inhabitants move on a size comparable to the whole nation of Ireland.

The Irish helped found, design, build, struggled and died for the US, Canada, UK, Oz, NZ. We went to these English speaking countries, we did not go to non-European countries in our 100s of 1000s and change the very nature of the populations of those countries out of all recognition.
These countries were also countries founded as European migrant countries, Ireland was already a western European established indigenous nation.

Do you support the right of every African, South American Amazonian tribe to be allowed survive as the indigenous people they are and on their ancestral lands. Do you support Tibet being for Tibetans, or do you think the immigration of 100s of 1000s of Han Chinese into Tibet which the Dalai Lama has condemned as tantamount to invasion and the genocide of Tibetans, do you support these migratory patterns?

If so you are supporting the genocide of cultures and difference of peoples, everywhere, including European ones. We have every right to object to this. If Tibetans have a right to object to their destruction, so do we. Anything else is racism against Europeans, pure hatred towards us.

We have an Army don’t we is not time we used them to hunt Dow these infiltrators ?

Foreign Nationals who work and pay tax in this country are welcome here. All illegal immigrants should be deported immediately.

If people travel thousands of miles, enduring hardship and show a real commitment to their new country (engaging in employment, paying taxes, gaining proficiency in English and integrating in community life as outlined in the article) then good and welcome

A few people were asking why illegal immigrants might have PPS numbers. Well they might have not been illegal initially, be issued with them and then have out stayed their welcome but decided to go to ground having puzzlingly determined that this rain soaked island was better than being in their own country where it barely rains at all.

They could be using someone else’s PPS number, maybe another immigrant who has since left the country.

How do they get away with this? Well Revenue doesn’t necessarily talk to Immigration. It’s not surprising, this happens everywhere.

And the employer? Well Revenue has accepted the number so he doesn’t bother with any further checks assuming, incorrectly as it turns out, that Revenue talks to Immigration.

Years pass. The immigrant probably hasn’t availed of any of the privileges of his PPS number, not wanting to draw attention. Government bodies pay a bit more to people they give money to than to people they take money from (we can all relate to that).

So then this scheme comes along and they have the option to go legit if they can:

Stay in employment
Pay taxes
Gain proficiency in English
Integrate in community life

The chances are that they have done the latter two anyway. The first two are at issue and the question of what happens when their trusting employer discovers that they initially lied to get a job.

Either the employer has come to like and trust them, may know their family and may want to retain them or they will feel almost physically violated as this individual has repeatedly raped both Ireland and the company by their continued lies and may dismiss them.

If they are dismissed they may have trouble getting a new job in these troubled times and be booted out. If they retain their job then they must be a good and honest person and an asset to their community and their adopted nation and should be welcomed.

I’m hypothesizing a little, obviously.

Shatter ,Arrogant and Obnoxious.
Phil Hogan is actually a decent hard-working minister when compared to the likes of Shatter, who shows no interest in his job and even less interest in the country with nothing but contempt for the Irish people who he told publicly from the stage at the Fine Gael Ard Fheis to “Get a Life!”
What a cheapshot this Shatter is, those who were conned in South Dublin who voted for him are advised to never admit it.
I was surprised when Enda Kenny appointed Shatter when he has much better talent on the backbenches, something to do with paying Shatter off, I think.
Finally I can’t figure how a person who hates the Irish people so much , as Shatter so clearly does, is in politics at all.
Probably for the money, especially the pension, can’t be anything else.

meh the illegal Irish in America want the same so Feck it, why not.

Racism in Ireland is a propagandist lie.
There was only one ever successful prosecution for racism in Ireland and that was when three young lads camping in the Wicklow mountains were fitted up simply because they wore their own “Celtic Wolves” boy scout type uniforms. The “Celtic Wolves” were supposed to have been some sort of fascist outfit, I think, They weren’t within miles of a non-national person. So they could not have committed a racist act unless it was against a sheep or a cow or a mountain goat. They were young lads who didn’t know their rights and under family pressure pleaded guilty to trumped-up charges by the State. I reckon they liked camping in fancy uniforms as a lot of young folk do .

But the State was desperate. They had a Race Hate Act passed since 1988 but not a single prosecution under that Act to establish the Act in Law so the three young campers came in handy, that’s it.

And this silly little prosecution now serves all on its own to establish that there is racism in Ireland.
The only racism I see comes from the immigrants who will not, and who have not, assimilated with the native Irish, they will not even say hello to the Irish in the streets , shops or cafes, despite the fact that they are enjoying the Irish peoples’ welfare money, they are not friendly like the Irish at all but can be hostile, it depends – but they cost the Irish State four billions a year, minimum estimate, to maintain, including the cost of keeping thousands of them in jail, where they now form one-third of the Irish prison population.

There’s the idea put abroad too that Irish patriots fought and died for these people. They did not. In fact several Irish patriots including Tom Clarke and Arthur Griffith made and wrote openly racist remarks about Negroes.

This is all a new fad started off by Fianna Fail, and not the EU as Irish governments will mislead you, by Mary Robinson and Oul Higgins above in the Park, the so-called Liberal Elite and the Marxist NUJ – dominated media that helped bust the Irish economy amongst other things. Robinson achieved nothing except for herself in her presidency, she just feathered her own nest in the U.N. , Higgins is at the same oul crack. Explosions in Boston and Waco is what you get for getting internationally involved as the likes of them drag us in to all this one world stuff promoted by the UN and the Zionists. Jewish minister Alan Shatter is manufacturing Blacks and the rest of them into Irish citizens , “the new Irish”: as the media happily calls them, at a thousand a week, while the same number of genuinely Irish people are driven out into exile their country taken over.

@GeoffDuignan:

you said:”Immigration is a violation of the security of the indignous people on this island. It damaging to ancestral and cultural heritage as well as the day to day physical, psychological and financial harm it does to the people of this island. No debate on immigration can ignore the results of immigration which is tantamount to invasion in the result it has to the native population”

Are you aware how seriously disturbing it is to say these things??? well maybe it is time for you to open the dictionnary again& check the definition of ”racist” or ”discriminiation. In some countries you would pay a considerable fine or go to jail for saying some like that. If you feel so threatened by Immigrants living & working here then maybe you should ask your government to put you in Reservations like Americans did with Indians, this way your ”native population” would preserve its ancestral cultural heritage. After that ask all International countries to close their borders to ALL Irish Immigrants so the Irish migrants do not get to spoil, damage or cause psychological, physical or financial damage to the native population of the country to which they immigrate!!! just following your unbelievable logic here!!!

you also said:”The Irish are an indigenous people with a specific ancestral heritage. ”Tell me, does that ancestral heritage come from China or Africa? No it does not, that is simply fact”. To this, I am Irish, my name does not say so but my passport DOES, wether you like it or not, I earned it, get over it…so you say if an asian, african individual was born & grew up here, he/she should not be Irish or have the same rights like any Irish citizen??? My partner is 100% Irish & he looks forward to having a child who would inherit both cultures and speak different languages.

Also did you ever read about human rights? wouldn’t you flee your country where all the members of your family have been exterminated & where your life is in danger? it is called ”SURVIVAL” you’d leave through any open door so it is quite shocking to read comments like yours knowing the Irish are the biggest migrants in history, they ran away from their island to establish themselves elsewhere as FREE individuals.

Did you hear about non EU people who came legally here as ”SKILLED” workers & who became illegal through no fault of their own, due to administrative delays, problems in botth Ireland & their original country despite a valid work permit? the procedures take ages to sort these cases out. These non EU people are very valuable to the business and some of them did not ask to be here, their companies transferred them here because there were no IRISH or EUROPEAN skilled & qualified personnel available. You people talk about things you don’t even know, so judgmental, your Immigration services do a great job, they handle undocumented immigrants on a case to case basis because they know some people do not break the law voluntarily but mostly because they comply with the basic HUMAN RIGHTS.

Having said that, I totally agree that any person who intentionally broke the law to stay here for no reason & whose life is not in danger or presence is not based on human right grants should be jailed and deported, no doubt about it.

please give me your opinion: im a Brazilian living in ireland since 2004 i have an uk residency card because my wife is northern irish, wich i tought it would cover me to work here, i always paid tax, i never needed a parecetamal tablet from the governament i only found out that i have no rights to be here after 8 years paying tax and building a life but, because my wife and i is spliting up ill have to leave the country, can anybody see any fairness in it???

all illegals ,,where they gone plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thinks for them very softly